Clay Shaw’s “Centro Mondiale Commerciale” and its Israeli connections

[Peter Lemkin]

To expound on what Peter said about the RFK hit:

Wrong side, wrong angle, too many bullets (RFK was shot four times, and five other people were shot, one of them twice), and bullet holes in the ceiling and door jamb.

Meaning a minimum of AT LEAST ten bullets fired, and a possible maximum of 13-15 bullets. Which automatically excludes Sirhan as being the cherished "lone assassin", since his gun was A) a revolver, which precludes any kind of rapid reloading, and B) Sirhan's gun only held eight bullets. And the LAPD knew this. Hence why they "routinely" destroyed both the door jambs and ceiling tiles.

I think the actual excuse the LAPD used was they had no storage space for the door jambs and ceiling tiles [LOL!], so then the 'routinely destroyed them' due to lack of storage space. In fact their evidence lock up was HUGE and had more than ample room for even larger objects. The same kind of destruction of evidence was used in the JFK assassination.
David Morales who did 'wet jobs' for JM/WAVE and other CIA operations famously said [paraphrasing as can't quickly find the quote], 'we took care of JFK in Dallas and that little bastard Bobby in L.A.'. There is even footage of two looking just like Gordon Campbell and David Morales acting suspiciously in the ballroom where RFK had just spoken, as he was being shot in the pantry to the kitchen. http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.cz/2013/...ayers.html

[James Lewis]

Gordon Campbell, maybe. But I doubt that the other guy was David Morales. He was way younger than Morales would have been at the time, and Morales was in Vietnam at that time working in the Phoenix Program.

[James Lewis]

And yeah, I do remember the LAPD's "no storage space" excuse for destroying the evidence.

Makes me laugh even harder today than when I first heard it. What a joke. A joke that the MSM ran with wholeheartedly.

[Anthony Thorne]

A long post of mine was eaten by the forum freezing when I posted it, but Peter and others have hit a lot of the main points I was going to add. That said

the best one IMO by Turner and Christian which I have three copies of and was never officially published

Happily that is no longer true. The book received a couple of reprints over the past decade or so. Turner did a new intro, and the most recent paperback edition has an additional intro by Oliver Stone. The new edition is an inexpensive paperback, it looks like it's still selling to new readers, and it's continuing to gather positive reviews on Amazon. I agree it's a recommended read. The Amazon link is below. The few pages of the Turner intro that are visible through the 'look inside the book' feature suggests that the authors very much agreed with Peter's description of the book being suppressed upon initial publication.

https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Rob...dpSrc=srch

[Peter Lemkin]

A long post of mine was eaten by the forum freezing when I posted it, but Peter and others have hit a lot of the main points I was going to add. That said

the best one IMO by Turner and Christian which I have three copies of and was never officially published

Happily that is no longer true. The book received a couple of reprints over the past decade or so. Turner did a new intro, and the most recent paperback edition has an additional intro by Oliver Stone. The new edition is an inexpensive paperback, it looks like it's still selling to new readers, and it's continuing to gather positive reviews on Amazon. I agree it's a recommended read. The Amazon link is below. The few pages of the Turner intro that are visible through the 'look inside the book' feature suggests that the authors very much agreed with Peter's description of the book being suppressed upon initial publication.

https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Rob...dpSrc=srch

Yes, it was much later published - but I knew Bill Turner personally, and he told me the very strange story of how the huge first edition hardbound print run was put into the incinerator - except for a hundred or so books that some of the forklift men took home and sold. Talk about suppression of speech and thought!

[Magda Hassan]

A long post of mine was eaten by the forum freezing when I posted it, but Peter and others have hit a lot of the main points I was going to add. ...

Extremely frustrating. May I suggest writing your responses on a document first and when finished copy and paste it into a forum post? I do that if I have to post a long one. Saves a lot of angst from loss of hard unique thoughtful work.

[Lauren Johnson]

A long post of mine was eaten by the forum freezing when I posted it, but Peter and others have hit a lot of the main points I was going to add. ...

Extremely frustrating. May I suggest writing your responses on a document first and when finished copy and paste it into a forum post? I do that if I have to post a long one. Saves a lot of angst from loss of hard unique thoughtful work.

I have often found that the Restore function works pretty good. If you lose a post because of the 24 hr reset happens, just open a Respond window as if you were starting over. On the lower grey border, you will see a Restore text function. Click on it, and it often works.

[Peter Lemkin]

Gordon Campbell, maybe. But I doubt that the other guy was David Morales. He was way younger than Morales would have been at the time, and Morales was in Vietnam at that time working in the Phoenix Program.

A military flight from Vietnam to L.A. would take only some hours and no one would even know they were gone. Makeup is often used to change features and how old someone looks, how they walk, hair color etc. Morales spoke to his friend as if he WAS THERE - if not in the ballroom, somewhere and that sure looks more than just something like him...yes the CIA went to all kind of trouble to discredit this notion - making me suspect it even further. Anyway, some very suspicious acting/looking men were in the ballroom and just so happened to look like some spooks who had good reason to want RFK dead, as they did his older brother.

[James Lateer]

Is anyone watching the CNN series on the Kennedy's? So far they have left out entirely any reference to the McCarthy Committee, instead claiming it was just about Jimmy Hoffa, etc. They are also forcing Nancy Pelosi into the story.

They are so far making LBJ look like a really bad actor with dirty tricks. Also making Nixon look bad but not as bad as LBJ. Probably they will frame the assassination itself as casting doubt about whether LBJ was involved. This way they won't have to be exclusively "lone gunman" theorists, but also there will be no factual information about the assassination, obviously.

James Lateer

[James Lateer]

The JFK research community seems to be closing in on the perps of the JFK murder. Mr. H.P. Albarelli is coming out soon with a book which points to Nazi Otto Skorzeny. On Deep Politics on the topic of Centro Mondiale Commerciale, it has been stated that Prince Borghese was a member of Centro-Permindex along with Clay Shaw and that Centro-Permindex is the group which plotted the assassination.

The following is a quote from the book by Skorzeny called [in translation] We Fought-We Lost. This book is not available in any library the United States. I had to use Google Translate so it reads kind of rough. But the WWII teamwork between Skorzeny and Borghese on clandestine operations is plain as day. It reads as follows:

"In February 1944, a new field of work was added to my previous one, which can be described comprehensively as "the special weapons". After Restitalia, under the leadership of Mussolini, fought on our side, the ties between the Italian and the German Wehrmacht had become closer. Thus, through the German defense, we also had an insight into the work of one of the best Italian associations, the »X. MAS Flottilla.
It was then under the leadership of the captain of the lake Prince Borghese, a member of one of the oldest Italian noble families.
This association had several so-called small ordnance
developed for use on the seas. There were under

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those small blasting boats whose helmsman was thrown out of the boat with his seat just before reaching the target, or a special torpedo on which two divers sat and could drive underwater to an enemy ship. With this weapon dashing Italian Sonderkommando had already carried out two much-known operations against enemy ships in the ports of Alexandria and Gibraltar. Also a unit of swimmers, who reached a hostile ship swimming and diving and attached an explosive charge to the sling bar, had been placed in the X. MAS flotilla. The technique was further improved by the invention of two tisterreicher, Sergeant Hass and Sergeant N., who was already known before the war. On the feet these two - at that time still students - brought swim fins out of rubber and made thus already at that time the most beautiful underwater shots. - The swim fins increased the speed when swimming and diving and saved strength. A German centurion H. of Abwehrabteilung II sunk more than 50,000 gross tons of enemy trading ship space as a lone fighter.
One day I received orders to visit Vice Admiral Heye. A moving little gentleman of about 50 years greeted me. He led the newly founded "Kriegsmarine Kleinkampfverbände" (KdK) as a commodore. A number of suitable men of my Jagerbataillons should participate in the education.
The basic ideas which the admiral, with whom I soon had a good relationship of work and trust, developed convincingly and seized me. The German Navy had, apart from the submarine gun, the Schnellboots- and Minenlegerverbände, no longer a way to appear in larger units on the sea fronts and attack the enemy fleet in sea battles. She was, except important transport and replenishment missions, pushed into a passive and waiting position. And there were many marines and officers whose drive and dedication to missions of any kind required.
Building on the Italians' experience, Admiral Heye and his associates have now developed new and effective special weapons in a matter of months. The basic idea was, if possible, to evaluate the existing situation and, if necessary, to reconstruct it. Everything had to go as fast as possible; because we all knew we did not have much time left to lose. The war came to an end. Victim-willing people who volunteer at one

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certainly dangerous and often lonely use wanted to participate, there was enough in Germany. They all wanted to do their part for the German victory. And was not it tempting enough for any dashing guy to attack enemy shipboys as a lone fighter with a few comrades?
The Navy's engineers used the normal ship torpedoes, removed the explosive charge, set up a glass dome, mounted a controller, attached a second sharp torpedo underneath, and the "torpedo torpedo" with the name "Negro" and about ten nautical miles was ready ,
We knew that the first infantry torpedoes were an abundantly primitive and imperfect weapon. But our speculation on the surprise of the enemy was justified. At the same time attempts at improvement started, and in a few months submersible Einmanntorpedos were developed that already resembled micro-submarines.
The first deployment of this new weapon, which included some men from my battalion, was a great success. At dawn on a summer's day in 1944, 20 men of small combat groups north of the Allied bridgehead near Anzio pushed their small vehicles into the water. Unnoticed, they approached their targets, the war and transport ships that lay in front of Anzio. Then they pulled the trigger for the lower torpedo. A few seconds later, the detonations crashed, and the ship's collection was suddenly disturbed by its calmness: a cruiser hit and damaged, a torpedo boat sunk, and more than 30,000 tons of transport ship space lowered or damaged. That was the work of a few determined soldiers. Seven men immediately returned with their torpedoes, another six dismounted and landed in the enemy bridgehead. Over the next few nights, creeping back through the enemy positions, they returned to their own lines. Seven brave soldiers had found a wet grave. Various later missions brought many more, albeit minor successes in the Mediterranean and on the Channel coast. The enemy soon knew of course the small glass domes of the Einmanntorpe¬dos"

James Lateer