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At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds
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What happened to your posting? I can remember mea cupla, mea cupla, mea maxima cupla but none of the "I am not worthy, stuff!" And I don't watch those cartoonified TV shows either. <grin> Just guns and gore. Happy Holidays to you and yours, and mine and ours.
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John Bevilaqua Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:John - reading your posts #9 and #141, my sense is that you use "Manchurian Candidate" primarily to describe an aspiring White Russian fascist fuhrer and secondly as a possible "colloquial" description of kamikaze pilots.

This is very different from the standard meaning of "Manchurian Candidate" as, effectively, a programmed assassin.

Jan, this is not what Richard Condon intended or indicated. And Condon is THE authority on the novel ManCand and THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE from Manchuoko, Anastase Vonsiatsky. Even John Marks titled his book, The Search for The Manchurian Candidate" not CANDIDATES. Everyone stands corrected here. Marks and Condon are the experts here plus anyone else dressed up in a Top Hat and a Walrus Moustache in order to look like Warburg. Oh, I get it both Warbucks and Warburg start with "Warb" so that makes a man about 5'9" tall the paradigm for Draper as Big Daddy Warbucks. No cigar. Maybe Warburg was 6'5" tall INCLUDING HIS TOP HAT. LOL. Now I get it. But toss the stache and add the glasses and give him 8" of height and he STILL does not look like Big Daddy Warbucks, but Wickliffe Draper does.

From Wikipedia on 'The Manchurian Candidate' book.
Quote:It is revealed that the Communists have been using Raymond Shaw as a sleeper agent, a guiltless assassin subconsciously activated by seeing the “Queen of Diamonds” playing card while playing solitaire. As such, he obeys orders, which he then forgets. Raymond Shaw’s Soviet secret service controller is his domineering mother, Eleanor, a ruthless power broker working with the Communists to execute a "palace coup d’état" and quietly overthrow the U.S. Government with the "Manchurian Candidate": her husband, McCarthy-esque Senator Johnny Iselin.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

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“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:
John Bevilaqua Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:John - reading your posts #9 and #141, my sense is that you use "Manchurian Candidate" primarily to describe an aspiring White Russian fascist fuhrer and secondly as a possible "colloquial" description of kamikaze pilots.

This is very different from the standard meaning of "Manchurian Candidate" as, effectively, a programmed assassin.

Jan, this is not what Richard Condon intended or indicated. And Condon is THE authority on the novel ManCand and THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE from Manchuoko, Anastase Vonsiatsky. Even John Marks titled his book, The Search for The Manchurian Candidate" not CANDIDATES. Everyone stands corrected here. Marks and Condon are the experts here plus anyone else dressed up in a Top Hat and a Walrus Moustache in order to look like Warburg. Oh, I get it both Warbucks and Warburg start with "Warb" so that makes a man about 5'9" tall the paradigm for Draper as Big Daddy Warbucks. No cigar. Maybe Warburg was 6'5" tall INCLUDING HIS TOP HAT. LOL. Now I get it. But toss the stache and add the glasses and give him 8" of height and he STILL does not look like Big Daddy Warbucks, but Wickliffe Draper does.

From Wikipedia on 'The Manchurian Candidate' book.
Quote:It is revealed that the Communists have been using Raymond Shaw as a sleeper agent, a guiltless assassin subconsciously activated by seeing the “Queen of Diamonds” playing card while playing solitaire. As such, he obeys orders, which he then forgets. Raymond Shaw’s Soviet secret service controller is his domineering mother, Eleanor, a ruthless power broker working with the Communists to execute a "palace coup d’état" and quietly overthrow the U.S. Government with the "Manchurian Candidate": her husband, McCarthy-esque Senator Johnny Iselin.

Well whomever put that description together was not exactly conversant with Condon's deliberate usage of reversing the Black/White negatives discussed on the surface in the ostensible text into White/Black reverse negatives or positives within the sub-text.

Should read something like this:

It is really revealed that the "Fascists" have been using Raymond Shaw as a sleeper agent, a guiltless assassin subconsciously activated by seeing the “Queen of Diamonds” instead of the "Queen of Hearts" from Through the Looking Glass ("Off with his head.", said the Queen of Hearts) playing card while playing solitaire. As such, he obeys orders, which he then forgets. Raymond Shaw’s Gestapo BND secret service controller is his domineering mother, Eleanor, really de Mohrenschilt, the Nazi intelligence agent, a ruthless power broker working with these Nazi-sympathizers to execute a "palace coup d’état" and quietly (or violently) overthrow the U.S. Government with the "Manchurian Candidate": her husband, McCarthy-esque and MacArthur-esque Senator Johnny Iselin, a perfect anagram of for "John E. is Rey S. Kline" which transposes into: "Johnny ("Johnny Iselin") is Ray S. Cline" who was with both the CIA and The World Anti-Communist League during it's most blatantly pro-Fascist era. See: "The Fascist Specter behind the World Anti-Red League" (The Washington Post, 1978). The movie version has two Gen. Douglas MacArthur portraits displayed at distinct times, the Presidential Candidate in Madison Square Garden is named Benjamin K. Arthur as in "MacArthur." MacArthur's dad was named Arthur MacArthur, Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_MacArthur,_Jr. as I recall and his father in law was named Benjamin. Instead of shooting "MacArthur" Raymond turns his gun on Iselin whom he was suppsed to just wound in the shoulder. He then shoots his mother, too. The novel has no portraits of MacArthur at all of course
and no references to Abraham Lincoln either, but the original move had both of these aspects inserted by Sinatra and Frankenheimer who obviously spoke with Condon during the making of this film. Ray S. Cline was the real handler for both Oswald and Robert Emmett Johnson who has been identified as a probable or positive "JFK sniper" by both Bill Turner, James Richards, Roy Hargraves and now myself. Cline took over the intelligence operations of Col. Uliuss L. Amoss, O.S.S. and Major Carleton ("Indiana Jones") Coon, O.S.S. a Draper Eugenicist which involved the use of programmed assassins, saboteurs, deep-cover agents placed in foreign countries and similar tactics and techniques ever since World War I under William Nelson Cromwell, OSJ the founding partner of Sullivan and Cromwell and since World War II under William "Wild Bill" Donovan, OSJ, then later under Allen Dulles who worked for Cromwell at Sullivan and Cromwell. Even the "Lee Harvey" Oswald character Raymond Shaw, was played by Lawrence Harvey the actor, whom Frankenheimer referred to as "Lee Harvey", the common version of his name, in a 1961 interview about the movie. (Either very, very odd and coincidental or maybe the plotters picked "Lee Harvey" out of several alternative killers, because of this coincidence.) Lee Harvey Oswald had undergone intensive MK/ULTRA training under the real Ray S. Cline while his unit was stationed in Ping Tung Taiwan for a 30-45 day period when Cline was there living in his "Pink Palace" on a hill.

Richard Condon was in fact the first person who was not part of the plot to know the intimate details of their attempt on JFK in 1958 in California done by "The California Bombers" including Roy Hargraves, a South Florida Soldier of Fortune who was an advisor to Oliver Stone on the movie: JFK.
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John, do you, in light of the significance you find in William F. Buckley and YAF, find, too, significance in the Sharon Statement founding the latter being adopted September 11, 1960, in the home of the former.

What provided Richard Condon with the intimate exposure to the players and their plotting for his 1959 book.

I've read (and have) Marks' Search for the Manchurian Candidate. It seems poor Sidney Gottlieb got no where, failed to teach biochemists to fly, hence rolled it up in 1973.

Do you credit that record of nonsuccess. Did you see the 1997 Conspiracy Theory with Gottlieb portrayed by Patrick Stewart. Is there more to it than the strobing of the construction light by the ventilator.

Sirhan Sirhan. How was it done, and can he be kept alive to unlock his amnesiac trance.

I find the historic record of interest. Prouty's reported haughtiness seems contrived. My line arrived seven generations ago, fought King George, to free the slaves, to defeat Japanese militarism, and I never once felt an urge to head for Dealey Plaza with a long arm.

In Target Patton, Robert Wilcox suggests Donovan as part of a plot to kill Patton in December, 1945. What is your take on this, and on Wilcox citing a figure in British intelligence saying Donovan's selection was a good thing as it was "one of our own".

Wilcox on pages 222-3 posits Bandera was killed by Stashinsky in 1959 both for his anti-Soviet activities and his knowledge of the Patton assassination per Skubik.

Edward Hunter had it wrong. Who has it right, i.e., has the best book on effectively creating a Manchurian Candidate.
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Phil Dragoo Wrote:John, do you, in light of the significance you find in William F. Buckley and YAF, find, too, significance in the Sharon Statement founding the latter being adopted September 11, 1960, in the home of the former (CIA agent).

What provided Richard Condon with the intimate exposure to the players and their plotting for his 1959 book.

I've read (and have) Marks' Search for the Manchurian Candidate. It seems poor Sidney Gottlieb got no where, failed to teach biochemists to fly, hence rolled it up in 1973.

Do you credit that record of nonsuccess. Did you see the 1997 Conspiracy Theory with Gottlieb portrayed by Patrick Stewart. Is there more to it than the strobing of the construction light by the ventilator.

Sirhan Sirhan. How was it done, and can he be kept alive to unlock his amnesiac trance.

I find the historic record of interest. Prouty's reported haughtiness seems contrived. My line arrived seven generations ago, fought King George, to free the slaves, to defeat Japanese militarism, and I never once felt an urge to head for Dealey Plaza with a long arm.

In Target Patton, Robert Wilcox suggests Donovan as part of a plot to kill Patton in December, 1945. What is your take on this, and on Wilcox citing a figure in British intelligence saying Donovan's selection was a good thing as it was "one of our own".

Wilcox on pages 222-3 posits Bandera was killed by Stashinsky in 1959 both for his anti-Soviet activities and his knowledge of the Patton assassination per Skubik.

Edward Hunter had it wrong. Who has it right, i.e., has the best book on effectively creating a Manchurian Candidate.

Phil, great questions, all of them... thanks for your interest.

Have to re-read the Sharon Statement. More later.

Possible Condon sources:

a) Armen Dernounian, a/k/a John Roy Carlson who wrote The Plotters and Undercover. One of them was the NY Times best seller in 1944 I think. Get them. Read them. Covers the FDR plot as well.

b) There was a big time Condon in the John Birch Society. Perhaps a relative. What was Condon's father's name?

c) Wilbur Baldinger and Wes McCuen from Group Research part of UAW, were also used by me extensively. Baldinger interviewed Alex Rorke and he was killed right after that.

d) MOST LIKELY that Condon knew someone in either The Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem (OSJ) or the Hunt family contacts in The Order of St. James of Lazarus which was a British equivalent to OSJ or The Shickshinny Knights of Malta who ratted them all out in 1958-1959. Since Condon lived in London while he wrote ManCand, as I recall, I am leaning towards a sympathetic member of this group now as his source. Robert Gayre of the Gayres of Ng, in Scotland was their leader and Lord Malcolm-Douglas Hamilton who hosted Rudolph Hess in England was with The Cliveden Set and a big time member of The Shickshinny Knights of Malta with Willoughby, del Valle, Willoughby, Corso, Willoughby, Domville (British Nazi spy), Willoughby, Lemuel Shepard, and of course, Willoughby. Oh did I mention Willoughby 5 different times? Silly me. What was I thinking?

Don't have much on these questions:

I've read (and have) Marks' Search for the Manchurian Candidate. It seems poor Sidney Gottlieb got no where, failed to teach biochemists to fly, hence rolled it up in 1973.

Do you credit that record of nonsuccess. Did you see the 1997 Conspiracy Theory with Gottlieb portrayed by Patrick Stewart. Is there more to it than the strobing of the construction light by the ventilator.

Sirhan Sirhan. How was it done, and can he be kept alive to unlock his amnesiac trance.

As for this:
I find the historic record of interest. Prouty's reported haughtiness seems contrived.

Pompous genealogist, but a TRUE JFK hater. He spit venom at JFK in front of 300 COPAs. Quoted earlier on this site and at Spartacus. "I guess we taught JFK a thing or two!"

These items below are missing links or black holes in my thesis about which I know nothink. I know nothink. Right now that is:

In Target Patton, Robert Wilcox suggests Donovan as part of a plot to kill Patton in December, 1945. What is your take on this, and on Wilcox citing a figure in British intelligence saying Donovan's selection was a good thing as it was "one of our own".

Gonna check it out.. thanks for the info. Even Gostick and Walsh lamented the loss of Bandera. They predicted and organized a massive dance fest and celebration at the foot of the Bandera statue in Lvov after the fall of Russia and by God there it was 25 years later on the news and ohn Tee-Vee. I almost sh** bricks right there.

Wilcox on pages 222-3 posits Bandera was killed by Stashinsky in 1959 both for his anti-Soviet activities and his knowledge of the Patton assassination per Skubik.

Edward Hunter had it wrong. Who has it right, i.e., has the best book on effectively creating a Manchurian Candidate.

Don't know but Dr. Hans J. Eysenck might have written it, or Bill Buckley's brother in law Gerald O'Riley was it, who headed the H. Smith Richardson Foundations MKULTRA programs in N.C. at Bowman Gray Medical School and at Bridgewater State Mental Hospital COULD have written it
or maybe even the Grays, the Farishes, the Bushes or the Drapers. They ALL have a copy of the recipe.

Plus the 9/11 bombers were trained by the same techniques used ON the Kamikaze Japanese with MKULTRA techniques, too. Vonsiatsky and company did them a favor to try to rescue the lost war effort. Vonsiatsky was in jail in Missouri but Dr. Yen Lo or whomever from ManCand (Trygve Lee?) continued Von's programs until he got out of jail in 1946 just before I was born. Someone should have cut his fool head off or given him a Stashinsky gun splash right then and there.

But Little Orphan "Annie" always had 2-3 guard dogs at his house in Putnam/Thompson, CT which I have visited. "Arf! Arf!" said the German Shepards. And Robert Morris in Grapeland Heights in Miami, much preferred Dobermans.

They almost got through his screen door trying to bite my little nuts off once when I was just trying to sell him some raffle tickets or asking him about mowing his lawn or something trivial like that. He was one mean and rotten and scary bastard even then. Never forget that bulbous nose and those nasty stares. He slammed the door on me and I never went back. Later he sued NYNEX trying to find out who I was in 1995 or so. His brain swelled up and then he died. I called him up from a NYNEX phone on the JFK assassination and must have struck a nerve. His son said he went psycho, vitriolic and livid and drooled for the last 2-3 years of his life because of me. Oh well. He ruined my father's career at the U.S. Patent office and hundreds of others like him, and then he had JFK killed. Plus his dogs almost bit my nuts off. So what if he got reamed out and castrated later? Whittaker Chambers credited Morris with being the real force behind McCarthyism in his NY Times obit, so it is not like we got the wrong guy or anything. "Arf! Arf!" said the Dobermans. "Upyers!", I responded to both Robert Morris, Nathaniel Weyl, E.H. Hunt and Frank Sturgis. I was one tough little bastidge then. And I still am!


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It's time to explore some basic concepts, such as what is meant by Manchurian Candidate.

The wiktionary definition is as follows, and acknowledges that it is incomplete:

Quote:Etymology
From the title of the 1959 novel or 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate. This definition is lacking an etymology or has an incomplete etymology. You can help Wiktionary by giving it a proper etymology.

Manchurian candidate (plural Manchurian candidates)

A person who, unbeknownst to himself, has been convinced to act toward some interest.

Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Manchurian_candidate"

John is entirely correct that the first and original usage - to my knowledge - is by Richard Condon. I suspect that John is also correct in that Condon's primary meaning is of a constructed Presidential candidate, a "sleeper" programmed by a foreign power, in this instance in Manchuria.

John - do you further interpret this to suggest the creation of a White Russian Fuhrer who may not himself be programmed?

Meanwhile, it should be noted that John Marks' usage is somewhat different. Marks is talking about the search of intelligence agencies to create a "sleeper" or programmed agent in general. The programme implanted in that agent need not be that they are to be "a Presidential candidate". The programme could be a top secret message hidden behind hypnotic triggers - the "hypnotic courier" spoken of by Prof Estabrooks and created perhaps as early as WW1 and operational by WW2 - or, in ultimate usage, a programmed assassin. When Oswald is described as a "Manchurian Candidate", the meaning is that he was a programmed assassin, or programmed patsy, with a mission to kill or shoot at the American President; not that he was programmed to be a Presidential candidate.

I should state that whilst Marks' book is invaluable, and was pioneering in its exposure of MK-ULTRA, subsequent revelations show that the claim that the projects failed are entirely wrong and represent an attempt at cover-up and limited hangout by Gottlieb and other protagonists. Gottlieb famously burnt as much documentation as he could find, but forgot about several boxes of receipts.

In addition, much of the testimony in front of the Congressional Committee was couched in terms limited to MK-ULTRA, when there were many such projects in place, not all run by the CIA (eg ONI, Military Intelligence, British Intelligence), and it is clear that much of the work was deliberately sub-contracted in such a way as it to create plausible deniability. Note that Cameron's experiments took place in Canada. In addition, inherently "weird" and thus deniable fronts were used, such as cults.

Colin Ross MD, a former President of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation, has undertaken much important work into understanding the mechanisms which might be used to programme a person to perform a particular action. His original book, Bluebird, was updated and reissued in 2006 as The CIA Doctors.

Ross' own definition of Manchurian Candidate is as follows:

Quote:According to my definition, the Manchurian Candidate is an experimentally created dissociative identity disorder that meets the following four criteria:

1) Created deliberately
2) A new identity is implanted
3) Amnesia barriers are created
4) Used in simulated or actual operations.

From Ross, The CIA Doctors, p 35

The known predecessor programmes to MK-ULTRA included BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, and Ross found many documents which clearly reveal the ultimate intention of the projects. For instance:

Quote:A document entitled "Hypnotic Experimentation and Research, 10 February 1954", describes a simulation experiment of relevance to the creation of Manchurian Candidate assassins:

Quote:Miss (whited out) was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss (whited out) (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing in this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss (whited out). She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to "kill" Miss (whited out) for failing to awaken. Miss (whited out) carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded pneumatic pistol) gun at (whited out) and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss (whited out) was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.

From Ross, The CIA Doctors, p 46

In short, the phrase "Manchurian Candidate" has differing meanings. For clarity, from hereon in, I will endeavour to use the phrase "programmed assassin" or "programmed agent" in this thread when I am referring to a person who has been programmed as assassin, patsy or in some other fashion.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:It's time to explore some basic concepts, such as what is meant by Manchurian Candidate.

The wiktionary definition is as follows, and acknowledges that it is incomplete:

Quote:Etymology
From the title of the 1959 novel or 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate. This definition is lacking an etymology or has an incomplete etymology. You can help Wiktionary by giving it a proper etymology.

Manchurian candidate (plural Manchurian candidates)

A person who, unbeknownst to himself, has been convinced to act toward some interest.

Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Manchurian_candidate"
John is entirely correct that the first and original usage - to my knowledge - is by Richard Condon. I suspect that John is also correct in that Condon's primary meaning is of a constructed Presidential candidate, a "sleeper" programmed by a foreign power, in this instance in Manchuria.

John - do you further interpret this to suggest the creation of a White Russian Fuhrer who may not himself be programmed?

Well not the creation, per se, but the reality. I think that Anastase Vonsiatsky was chosen by consensus as the "Candidate" (from Manchuria) of the White Russian emigres to help them recover their lost homeland, mother Russia.

By the same token Condon probably meant that Vonsiatsky bragged about his communications from Ribbentrop, Geobels, von Ludendroff and others where Vonsiatsky stated that he was the Nazis chosen "Candidate" as the proposed new Russian Czar or premiere of a conquered and Fascist occupied Russian state. Again he was from Manchuria where his headquarters were and he used the Pavlovian and maybe some Chinese tricks to program his "assassins" and "saboteurs" which he admitted sending back into communist occupied Russia on suicide assassination missions. To go on patently obvious suicide missions is evidence of having been programmed. Like the Palestinian suicide bombers or what I think was exactly like the 9/11 Kamikaze-styled and Kamikaze-trained pilots in 2001.

So Vonsiatsky was THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE or Canditatus for two groups: White Russian Czarist emigres and for the Nazi leadership and their Gestapo. Remember that I discovered 2 manuscripts by Dietrich von Eckart in the Providence College Vonsiatsky collection hidden in the deep recesses of some library. Vonsiatsky communicated with the highest levels of the Nazi leadership and then boasted about that to his neighbors in Putnam/Thompson while either rip roaring drunk or while playing golf or while playing God. But he was for real.






Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Meanwhile, it should be noted that John Marks' usage is somewhat different. Marks is talking about the search of intelligence agencies to create a "sleeper" or programmed agent in general. The programme implanted in that agent need not be that they are to be "a Presidential candidate". The programme could be a top secret message hidden behind hypnotic triggers - the "hypnotic courier" spoken of by Prof Estabrooks and created perhaps as early as WW1 and operational by WW2 - or, in ultimate usage, a programmed assassin. When Oswald is described as a "Manchurian Candidate", the meaning is that he was a programmed assassin, or programmed patsy, with a mission to kill or shoot at the American President; not that he was programmed to be a Presidential candidate.

I should state that whilst Marks' book is invaluable, and was pioneering in its exposure of MK-ULTRA, subsequent revelations show that the claim that the projects failed are entirely wrong and represent an attempt at cover-up and limited hangout by Gottlieb and other protagonists. Gottlieb famously burnt as much documentation as he could find, but forgot about several boxes of receipts.

In addition, much of the testimony in front of the Congressional Committee was couched in terms limited to MK-ULTRA, when there were many such projects in place, not all run by the CIA (eg ONI, Military Intelligence, British Intelligence), and it is clear that much of the work was deliberately sub-contracted in such a way as it to create plausible deniability. Note that Cameron's experiments took place in Canada. In addition, inherently "weird" and thus deniable fronts were used, such as cults.

Colin Ross MD, a former President of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation, has undertaken much important work into understanding the mechanisms which might be used to programme a person to perform a particular action. His original book, Bluebird, was updated and reissued in 2006 as The CIA Doctors.

Ross' own definition of Manchurian Candidate is as follows:

Quote:According to my definition, the Manchurian Candidate is an experimentally created dissociative identity disorder that meets the following four criteria:

1) Created deliberately
2) A new identity is implanted
3) Amnesia barriers are created
4) Used in simulated or actual operations.
From Ross, The CIA Doctors, p 35

The known predecessor programmes to MK-ULTRA included BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, and Ross found many documents which clearly reveal the ultimate intention of the projects. For instance:

Quote:A document entitled "Hypnotic Experimentation and Research, 10 February 1954", describes a simulation experiment of relevance to the creation of Manchurian Candidate assassins:

Quote:Miss (whited out) was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss (whited out) (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing in this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss (whited out). She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to "kill" Miss (whited out) for failing to awaken. Miss (whited out) carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded pneumatic pistol) gun at (whited out) and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss (whited out) was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.
From Ross, The CIA Doctors, p 46

In short, the phrase "Manchurian Candidate" has differing meanings. For clarity, from hereon in, I will endeavour to use the phrase "programmed assassin" or "programmed agent" in this thread when I am referring to a person who has been programmed as assassin, patsy or in some other fashion.


Here is the most recent version of the Wikipedia page, just updated by a scholar and a gentleman who sometimes suffers from severe delusions of grandeur. But then again I was put onto this earth to prevent the assassination of JFK,
kind of like Richard Case Nagell but under the authority of a much higher power, but having failed at that mission, I am now attempting to solve the mystery behind the assassination of JFK as my lifelong penance. John Birchers, Draper Eugenicists and The Shickshinny Knights of Malta Armed Services Committee, plus the protagonists and antagonists hidden inside The Manchurian Candidate by Richard Condon in 1959. Almost done now.

The Manchurian Candidate

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This article is about the book. For the 1962 film, see The Manchurian Candidate (1962 film). For the 2004 film, see The Manchurian Candidate (2004 film).

The Manchurian Candidate [Image: ManchurianCandidate.jpg]
1st edition Author Richard Condon Country United States Language English Genre(s) Thriller novel Publisher McGraw-Hill Publication date 1959 Media type Print (Hardback) Pages 311 pp ISBN 1-56858-270-6 OCLC Number 52409655 Dewey Decimal 813/.54 21 LC Classification PS3553.O487 M36 2003 The Manchurian Candidate (1959) by Richard Condon, is a political thriller novel about the son of a prominent US political family who has been brainwashed into being an unwitting assassin for the Communist Party. The novel has twice been cinematically adapted, in 1962 and 2004.


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Captain Bennett Marco, Sergeant Raymond Shaw, and the rest of their infantry platoon are kidnapped during the Korean War in 1952. They are taken to Manchuria, and are brainwashed to believe that Sgt. Shaw saved their lives in combat — for which the Army awards him the Medal of Honor.
Years after the war, Marco, now back in the United States working as an intelligence officer, begins suffering the recurring nightmare of Raymond Shaw murdering two of his comrades, all clinically observed by Chinese and Russian intelligence officials. When Marco learns that another soldier from the platoon also has been suffering the same nightmare, he sets to uncovering the mystery and its meaning.
In the visible, surface text of the novel, is revealed that the Communists have been using Raymond Shaw as a sleeper agent, a guiltless assassin subconsciously activated by seeing the “Queen of Diamonds” playing card while playing solitaire. As such, he obeys orders, which he then forgets. Raymond Shaw’s Soviet secret service controller is his domineering mother, Eleanor, a ruthless power broker working with the Communists to execute a "palace coup d’état" and quietly overthrow the U.S. Government with the "Manchurian Candidate": her husband, McCarthy-esque Senator Johnny Iselin.
However, in the sub-rosa text of the novel and the original movie, it is really revealed that the Fascists have been using Raymond Shaw as a sleeper agent, a guiltless assassin subconsciously activated by seeing the “Queen of Diamonds” playing card while playing solitaire, instead of the "Queen of Hearts" card which is a reference from Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland Through the Looking Glass ("Off with his head.", said the Queen of Hearts). That card was the programmed MK/ULTRA symbol for Terminate with Prejudice or "off with his head." After seeing the Queen of Diamonds, Shaw obeys both literal and figurative orders in the movie including: "Why don't you go jump in the lake, buddy?", After completing these triggered commands, he then forgets them immediately. Raymond Shaw’s Gestapo BND secret service controller is his domineering mother, Eleanor, when in fact Lee Harvey Oswald was really controlled by George de Mohrenschilt, a Nazi intelligence agent according to several others including his own wife after his death. Shaw's wife is a ruthless power broker working with these Nazi-sympathizers to execute a "palace coup d’état" and quietly (or violently) overthrow the U.S. Government with the "Manchurian Candidate": her husband, McCarthy-esque and MacArthur-esque Senator Johnny Yerkes Iselin, a perfect anagram for "John E. is Rey S. Kline" (check it for yourself) which transposes into: "Johnny ("Johnny Iselin") is Ray S. Cline" who was a highly placed officer within both the Office of the Directorate of the CIA and the President of The World Anti-Communist League during it's most blatantly pro-Fascist era when it was led by the Brit, Roger Pearson who was also a major recipient of funding from Wickliffe Draper's Pioneer Fund and a British Eugenicist and Racialist as well. See: "The Fascist Specter behind the World Anti-Red League" (The Washington Post, August, 1978).
The 1961 cinematic version shows two Gen. Douglas MacArthur oil portraits displayed at distinct times, the presidential candidate in Madison Square Garden is named Benjamin K. Arthur as in "MacArthur." MacArthur's father was named Arthur MacArthur, Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_MacArthur,_Jr. and his father-in-law was named Benjamin. Instead of shooting Benjamin K. "Mac" Arthur, Raymond turns his gun on Senator "Johnny" Iselin whom he was supposed to just wound in the shoulder in order to elicit sympathy ostensibly after killing Benjamin K. Arthur. He then shoots his mother, too, square in the forehead. The novel has no portraits of MacArthur or other references to him at all, of course, and no references to either Abraham Lincoln or his assassination, like the 1961 cinematic version does. Linocln is referenced first in a slow pan onto a bronze Lincoln bust on a table, and then later when Senator Iselin dresses up like Abraham Lincoln at a costume party.
The original movie had both of these aspects created and then inserted into the movie most likely at the behest of Frank Sinatra and John Frankenheimer who obviously spoke with Richard Condon during the making of this film and added his "suggested exaggerations for effect." Ray S. Cline was the real handler for both Lee Harvey Oswald and for Robert Emmett Johnson who has been identified as a probable or positive "JFK sniper" by both Bill Turner (See: "The Fish is Red" - c. 1970), James Richards on the Spartacus Eduction Forum, Roy Hargraves during an interview with Mary Ferrell before he died, and by John Bevilaqua on the Deep Politics Forum. Cline inherited the covert intelligence operations of Col. Uliuss L. Amoss, O.S.S. and Major Carleton ("Indiana Jones") Coon, O.S.S. a Draper Eugenicist, an Egyptologist and an Anthropology Professor whose pistol was used to murder Admiral Darlan. The Amoss and Coon operation involved the use of programmed assassins, saboteurs, deep-cover agents placed in foreign countries and similar tactics and techniques. This concept of the creation of a privately funded international intelligence gathering agency was invented even before World War I by William Nelson Cromwell, OSJ the founding partner of Sullivan and Cromwell and since World War II under William "Wild Bill" Donovan, OSJ, then later under Allen Dulles who worked for Cromwell at Sullivan and Cromwell. William Nelson Cromwell, OSJ is credited with being the inventor of the concept of Regime Change in about 1900 in his own Wikipedia article. Cromwell was also the person credited with turning the Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem (OSJ) into an "international intelligence gathering agency" in the early part of the 20th Century according to references posted there. Cromwell was the first Grand Prior of OSJ in the 20th Century and he set the tone for the balance of that century for the OSJ operatives. His stated goal and that of the Shickshinny Knights of Malta was to defend and protect the Catholic Church from all infidels, heathens and interlopers. And when JFK would not join them with sufficient dedication on their Holy Crusade against Communism, JFK was targeted for termination with prejudice by the likes of William "Wild Bill" Donovan, OSS, OSJ, William Grace, OSJ and William F. Buckley, Jr. who was a rabidly religious, right wing extremist, the founder of Young Americans for Freedom, and a Carlist Catholic plus a member of the CIA. His protege, E. Howard Hunt, Jr. in a deathbed declaration admitted his role and that of some rogue CIA officers in the assassination of JFK. See: http://www.SaintJohnHunt.com Hunt was a classmate of both Anastase Vonsiatsky and George Lincoln Rockwell at Brown University in the early 1940's and was cut from the same xenophobic cloth as both Buckley, Vonsiatsky and Rockwell. There is a developing, but still circumstantial body of evidence indicating that Hunt's choice of the first name of his son, "Saint John" Hunt also known as "Saint" was inspired by E. Howard Hunt's association with members of THE SOVEREIGN ORDER OF SAINT JOHN OF JERUSALEM at the time of the birth of his son. It is also possible that Hunt had an unofficial and unpublicized designation as a Knight of the Order of St. John, as well. Certainly E. Howard Hunt was on some sort of anti-Communist, anti-Immigrant and pro-Eugenics Crusade for most of his life as a dedicated xenophobe, racialist and eugenicist which he must have learned from both the Godfather to his children, including Saint John, William F. Buckley, Jr. and from his classmate, Anastase Vonisatsky.
Buckley was also cited by Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate novel as: "That fascinating young man who wrote about man and God at Yale." Buckly published "God and Man at Yale" in about 1952 for Henry Regnery Press and later worked for Clendenin J. Ryan at The American Mercury in Baltimore, MD with Brent Bozell, his future brother in law.
Clendenin J. Ryan was both the financial angel sponsoring Uliuss L. Amoss and Carleton S. Coon at ISI involved with mind controlled assassinations and the owner of The American Mercury where George Licoln Rockwell worked as an artist when Buckley was there. Ryan's son, Clendenin J. Ryan, Jr., was identified as the Georgetown roommate of Doug Caddy by Caddy himself, who a co-founder of Buckley's Young Americans for Freedom along with Marvin Liebman, of The China Lobby lobbying group started by Robert J. Morris, yet another frequently cited Richard Condon character in The Manchurian Candidate. Clendenin's grandfather Robert "Railroad" Ryan, it was just recently discovered supplied Adolph Hitler with most of the industrial diamonds needed to run his war machines using a Belgian diamond mining operation located in South Africa.





THE CODE OF THE SOVEREIGN ORDER OF SAINT JOHN OF JERUSALEM

1. Thou shalt believe the teaching of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and obey all Her admonitions.
2. Thou shalt defend the Church.
3. Thou shalt show regard for the weak and defend them.
4. Thou shalt love the country of thy birth.
5. Thou shalt never retreat before the enemy.
6. Thou shalt lead an unceasing and uncompromising war against the infidel.
7. Thou shalt never tell a lie and shalt stay true to thy word.
8. Thou shalt be generous and charitable.
9. Thou shalt always and in all places be champion of Good and Justice against evil and iniquity.


Even the "Lee Harvey" Oswald character Raymond Shaw, was played by Lawrence Harvey the actor, whom Frankenheimer referred to as "Lee Harvey", the common version of his given name during a 1961 interview about the movie with Frank Sinatra. (Either very, very odd and coincidental or maybe the plotters picked "Lee Harvey" out of several alternative trained killers and patsies because of this coincidence.) Lee Harvey Oswald had undergone intensive MKULTRA training under the real Ray S. Cline while his unit was stationed in Ping Tung, Taiwan for a 30-45 day period when Cline was stationed there with the CIA and living in his "Pink Palace" on a hill. Ray Cline and John Singlaub, later head of the World Anti-Communist League, had headed up the O.S.S. offices in Mukden, Manchuria, China shortly after World War II which was in close proximity to the headquarters of Anastase Vonsiatsky where he and George deMohrenschildt plus 100,000 other exiled White Russians were living out their diapora. See: "The Russian Fascists" by Prof. John J. Stephan at that time a Professor at the University of Hawaii. (Little, Brown - 1979). Vonsiatsky's headquarters were in Harbin, Manchuoko, Manchuria during the Japanese occupation in the 1930's and the 1940's. Vonsiatsky had designed and then executed training programs for programmed assassins, saboteurs and commandos as well as for the Japanese Kamikaze pilots as part of their desperation attempts to turn the tide of the war. Vonsiatsky was also involved with the Section 731 bacteriological warfare and vivisection experiments operated by the Japanese on unwilling POWs and Chinese citizens which were ongoing in Harbin as well during the later stages of World War II. They were obviously trying to determine the most effective and efficient bacteriological agent to release on allied troops. Maj. Gen. Charles A. Willoughby confiscated all of these records and some human detritus produced as a result of these experiments, when he visited Harbin right after the war. It was at this point that he became familiar with the work of Anastase Vonsiatsky in Harbin as well whom he apparently later befriended and recruited into his Shickshinny Knights of Malta orbit of fiends and associates shortly after that.
Richard Condon was in fact the first person who was not part of the plot to know the intimate details of their assassination attempt on JFK in 1958 in California done by "The California Bombers" including Roy Hargraves, a South Florida Soldier of Fortune who was an advisor to Oliver Stone on the movie: JFK. Condon even included a reference to Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, a founder of the John Birch Society, in his novel. Oliver, yet another Draper Eugenicist, later appeared as a Warren Commission interviewee 5 years AFTER the novel was published.
Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate was attempting to warn everyone about the plans of these John Birchers, rougue CIA agents involved in Mind Control programs, members of the German BND and some of the Grand Priors like William S. Cromwell and protege Allen W. Dulles, or other members of The Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem and the Knights of Malta like William J. Donovan, OSJ, William Grace, OSJ of The Grace Lines, and Patrick J. Frawley, Jr., OSJ. Patrick J. Frawley hired Robert J. Morris to work for him at both Technicolor and Schick Eversharp. Frawley also sponsored "mind control" research at INCA in New Orleans where Ricard Scannell Butler, the person who interviewd Oswald for the New Orleans radio station actually worked. INCA was started and run by the later head of The Council for National Policy, Alton Ochsner, Sr. who was born in Nicaragua. Joining Ochsner as CNP heads were Nelson Bunker Hunt, Tim LaHaye, Thomas Ellis, III, from The Pioneer Fund, Edwin Meese, III, Pat Robertson and serveral others.
Condon even referenced Anastase Vonsiatsky a major entity in the Russian Orthodox Church a representative of the Czar who gave SKOM its credentials, and in Fascist intelligence circles like those in the orbit of George deMohrenschildt, his protege and direct charge. Condon used Vonsiatsky's distinct persona plus several anagrams, word plays and references to his idealistic Red Cross wife, Marion B. Ream, the daughter of Louis B. Ream who was a World War I era robber baron millionaire just like the Drapers and the owner of Baldwin Locomotive where Vonsiatsky was a strike busting thug. Ream made his fortune with various virtual monopolies like U.S. Steel, The National Biscuit Company (later Nabisco), Marshall Field and Company, the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and by cornering the Chicago Mercantile Exchange pork markets.
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By the way, "Raymond L. Shaw" as a Condon anagram, becomes "Mayham & World Wars" using just a little bit of poetic license and the liberal re-use of a few letters. So gag me with a spoon already.

Condon tried to warn us that the usage of these assassins can only lead to Mayhem & World Wars and the elimination of certain undesirable ethnic targets, perhaps by loading up the U.S. Military with recruits from their additional lists of undesirable ethnic targets, minorities and recent immigrants.

Gee, you think they were that smart to sic domestic undesirables, as defined by them, against foreign undesirables in a major series of Eugenic Ethnic Cleansings? Say it ain't so, Joe! Say it ain't so! It is what it is, son!

Killing two birds with one stone and not even caring who had more casualties, the Vietnamese or the allied forces?

Now that is a terrible swift sword and a great way to cut down on the population of their undesirables list while making money from both sides of the operation.

"Set thine enemies against each other." And then cheer for
both sides to count coup and to take no prisoners. Wow! I used to set up McCarthyites against the MacArthurites and McCarthyites against McCarthyites or MacArthurites against John Brichers or Liberty Lobbyists against the IHRists, and vice versa just for sport and infinite entertainment but now no more of that. Too many casualties. Plus they are all just about now fully deceased, or totally debilitated and debunked and most are just terminally desisted.




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John, thank you for your reply which prints to three pages and will be an indispensible study guide.

Each time I see you referring to such historic entities as THE CODE OF THE SOVEREIGN ORDER OF SAINT JOHN OF JERUSALEM I mean to ask you of E. Howard Hunt's naming of his son.

And of course of that son's BOND OF SECRECY.

And the dying Hunt's deflection to LBJ and Cord Meyer et al.

And finally for this posting, of what has been suggested was a back-and-forth between David Atlee Phillips and E. Howard Hunt in their respective novels.

Except for whether William F. Buckley, Jr., was homo sapiens or a two-hundred-year-old reptilian shapeshifter.

Again, thank you.
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