The "Red Queen" and "The White Knight" and MKULTRA

[John Bevilaqua]

At least the MKULTRA crowd had a sense of humor although somewhat macabre. Richard Condon surely did not make up the concept of a "Red Queen" (Queent of Hearts or the Queen of Diamonds) being the symbol for selection for assassination "Off with his head then!", said the Queen of Hearts: Louis Carroll - Alice in Wonderland. Raymond Shaw's trigger card in the 1961 movie was to see the "Red Queen" while playing solitaire at which point he would obey literally any command given by his controller.

The appearance of someone dressed up in a "Red Queen" Halloween costume during the movie, ManCand, sent Raymond Shaw into a reverie whereupon his controller, Angela Lansbury, his mother, gave him the assassination suggestion which he then executed. Dick Russell told me that LHO attended a movie called The Queen of Hearts or The King of Hearts during the 1960's sometime as well. I think Genvieve Bujold was in that movie, the French actress which I saw in the late 1960's in black and white at the Harvard Square Cinema in Brattle Square.

And the use of the nicknames like Knight and Bishop used by certain CIA operatives like Phillips, Hunt, etc. were not only references to the game of Chess but also to Alice in Wonderland as well apparently as seen in these song lyrics.

Hunt admitted that David Atlee Phillips was "Knight" which would have made it highly unlikely that he was also "Bishop" or "Maurice Bishop" as pronounced by Cuban exiles or "Morris Bishop" which was the correct pronunciation when spoken by an Anglo without a Cuban accent. Morris Bishop was in all likelihood Robert Morris who lived in the same neighborhood as Antonio Veciana, Gerry Hemming and Orlando Bosch in Miami, among several others.

Here are the lyrics of the Grace Slick - Jefferson Airplane song "White Rabbit" from around 1969:

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small,
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.

Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall.
And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall,
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call.

Call Alice
When she was just small.
When men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low.

Go ask Alice
I think she'll know.
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead,
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"

[Dawn Meredith]

The film"The King of Hearts" was a cult classic in Central Square Cambridge, not Harvard Square, in the late sixties. I saw it more than once, it played for at least a year. Wonderful story.

I agree, one thing about the bastards is that they have a very sick sense of humor.

I have no doubt that some of them read these pages and laugh.
On other forums they post. We aim to be more careful here.

Dawn

[John Bevilaqua]

The film"The King of Hearts" was a cult classic in Central Square Cambridge, not Harvard Square, in the late sixties. I saw it more than once, it played for at least a year. Wonderful story.

I agree, one thing about the bastards is that they have a very sick sense of humor.

I have no doubt that some of them read these pages and laugh.
On other forums they post. We aim to be more careful here.

Dawn

Not that where it was shown is very important at all but it was made in 1966 and first debuted at the Brattle Square Cinema sometime in that first year and played at the Sack Cinema Chain in Boston and in dozens of other cities and at a few different theaters in Cambridge apparently. My guess is that the Brattle Square had the exclusive Cambridge rights for a year or two then it was shown elsewhere in other theatres.

I am just wondering if the choice of Lee Harvey (Oswald) as the lightning rod in the JFK conundrum was as a direct result of the choice of (Lawrence) "Lee" Harvey in the movie the Manchurian Candidate.

Or if the choice of Tim McVeigh as the right wing OK bomber was done as payback for all the years of anti-right wing postings done by the other Tim McVay from Canada who posted on Nizkor.org Just a thought.

I am very careful in posting both my citations, my reasoning and the justifications for including anyone in my list of possible or probable suspects in the JFK conundrum. And I make it perfectly clear who paid them, what motivated them and who supported them and why they participated in their various roles in the JFK hit. If my conclusions about the roles of various persons and the organizations supporting them does not seem to agree with conclusions reached by others then that is the point where honest counter arguments should be voiced.

Or when some opinions have been reached about a person like Gerry Patrick Hemming for instance using a more arm-chair approach or a more remote approach using 3rd party citations rather than using a combination of personal observations and personal interactions or an actual experiences approach, then the conclusions have to be weighted accordingly. I stand on my conclusions based on the result of Noel Twyman's interview of Hemming and what Twyman reported in his book and to me personally.

It is not always easy to connect the dots from the shooters, through their funders and their sponsors and then through the Oswald Legend builders, through the JFK Character Assassins at Operation Red Cross, and through the plot masterminds and string pullers who actually carried out certain aspects of the plot cover-up after the fact.

And I will always react and respond whenever someone criticizes the work of people like George Michael Evica, Bill Turner, Mae Brussel, Richard Condon, Jon and Scott Anderson, Russ Bellant, Bruce Cumings, Dick Russell and John Stephan or myself and some others when in fact on almost all of the core aspects of the JFK plot, we have all developed independent threads and leads and independent conclusions which are entirely self-corroborating and internally consistent.

And if and when I have to point out flaws in other themes and other lines of research which turn things into a cocked hat for a while, that is actually a good thing for the quality of the overall results in this case. For instance when one realizes that Guy Banister was neither ONI nor CIA but a loose cannon who was once an FBI agent like William Harvey his boss at the FBI, then you can draw the attention to his roles with the JBS, HUAC, LUAC, WACL, Citizens Councils, SISS, the Miss Sov Comm, INCA and people like Medford B. Evans, Elmore Greaves, Ned Touchstone, Leander Periz and Senator James O. Eastland from Mississippi, instead which narrows the focus down to only a small group of elected or appointed people with proper attribution to the correct US Government Bodies or Agencies where they were employed at the time of the assassination. Then the core membership of the JFK plot starts to look more like the assassination of Julius Caesar by a small group of like-minded disaffected radical Senators rather than some of the wide-ranging and vast alternatives proposed by some others.

The very fact that persons like Edwin A. Walker, Leander Perez, Wickliffe Draper, Robert Morris, Charles Willoughby, Medford B. Evans, Willis Carto, GLK Smith, Robert Welch and Guy Banister are almost always deliberately ignored by most JFK researchers just makes me question even more why this has played out in exactly that fashion. And it makes me even more determined to set the record straight on these guys.

And certainly whenever the words misinformation or disinformation are used to characterize my carefully researched and meticulously constructed, well documented research, then I certainly will take umbrage at those accusations and respond accordingly.

There are many forces at work here: Edmund Bernays styled Propaganda campaigns, PsyOps run by Robert Morris, Charles Willoughby, Medford B. Evans, Revilo Oliver, GLK Smith and even James Angleton, Public Relations scams and Brainwashing by Edward Hunter and many other facets of deliberate distortion of the facts.

It is very striking to me that these campaigns run by the list of people above all originated from within those in The John Birch Society who ran both the JFK plot AND the JFK cover-up and yet no one seems to see these obvious contradictions and to discuss WHY this makes them even more obvious candidates for culpability than they were absent this finger pointing and deflection of patently obvious guilt. And people also forget that The John Birch Society was the FIRST and MOST OBVIOUS suspect by everyone from the LEFT and the CENTER right after the assassination. The roles of SMOM and SKOM, WACL and The Pioneer Fund are very recent themes only developed in the last 15 years or so and for some reason people can not move away from their other focus to analyze these groups especially SKOM
which is LOADED with both Pioneer Fund Eugenicists, White Supremacists, Racists and INTERNATIONAL representatives of groups with reach far beyond mere domestic US politics.

And there are only a handful of people alive today who might still be able to manage a laugh about some of the many misdirected accusations cited on all these forums. That is, assuming they even bother to read these forums. The rest are either long dead and gone or on their way out.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Hypnosis was extensively used, in combination with other methods, by the umbrella programmes known loosely as "MK-ULTRA".

Prof & Dr Louis "Jolyon" West, long time Director of the Neuropsychiatry Institute at UCLA and deep black shrink, said the following about his own human research into dissociative states.

(quoted on p107, Ross, "The CIA Doctors")

The first page is stamped: "WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND METHODS INVOLVED". The first page includes the following words written by West:

"The literature concerning clinical entities ordinarily considered to constitute the dissociative reactions is fairly well limited to case-studies of patients with fugues, amnesia, somnambulisms, and multiple personalities.

"Unpublished studies by the writer have led him to a greatly expanded concept of dissociation. Dissociative phenomena are found in everyday life. Such manifestations include "highway hypnosis", states of "fascination" in flyers, hypnagogic and phantasy hallucinations, transient anaesthesias, and many other examples. These reactions have many features in common with a variety of clinical disorders including "sleep paralysis", trance states, Gilles de la Tourette's disease, latah, "Arctic hysteria", and a number of other disturbances in addition to the well-known dissociative reactions of the text-books.

"There is considerable experimental evidence pointing to the significant role played by dissociative mechanisms in the production of the various phenomena of hypnosis. In fact, hypnosis may be considered a pure-culture, laboratory controlled dissociative reaction. Of the entire phenomenology of the various states described above, there is not one single manifestation which cannot be produced experimentally in the hypnotic subject. Thus, through the use of hypnosis as a laboratory device, the dissociative mechanisms can be studied with a high degree of objectivity."

The available evidence strongly suggests that MK-ULTRA techniques frequently included the creation of post-hypnotic triggers. The precise way to trigger the behaviour originally implanted under hypnosis (and often trauma and/or narcosis), and the precise way to end the behaviour and trigger the subject out of their programmed behaviour and back to "normal" consciousness, would only be known to the programmer and their associates.

It was very important to ensure that the subject could not be randomly or accidentally triggered into the hynotized state, particularly if the programmed behaviour was, for instance, "pick up the gun and shoot at the person you are told to".

Colin Ross found examples of precisely this type of hypnotic programming whilst researching "MK-ULTRA" projects.

The known predecessor programmes to MK-ULTRA included BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, and Ross found many documents which clearly reveal the ultimate intention of the projects. For instance:

A document entitled "Hypnotic Experimentation and Research, 10 February 1954", describes a simulation experiment of relevance to the creation of Manchurian Candidate assassins:

Miss (whited out) was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss (whited out) (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing in this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss (whited out). She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to "kill" Miss (whited out) for failing to awaken. Miss (whited out) carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded pneumatic pistol) gun at (whited out) and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss (whited out) was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.

From Ross, The CIA Doctors, p 46

If the programme hypnotically implanted is, for instance, of the type "enter trance state, pick up the gun and shoot at the person you are told to shoot at", I find it unlikely that the post-hypnotic trigger would be a playing card. The programme could be randomly triggered far too easily.

In my judgement, the "Red Queen" is more likely a fine literary device.

Just as Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" is first and foremost an exploration of Grace Slick's Lewis Carroll trip after ingesting magic mushrooms.

For more on MK-ULTRA, see also, for instance, my posts with sources in this thread:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/....php?t=223

[John Bevilaqua]

Jim Klimkowski wrote:

In my judgement, the "Red Queen" is more likely a fine literary device.

Absolutely correct. But the fact that Condon used such a literary artifact in order to link a close paradigm for the methodologies used by MKULTRA programmers into his novel is the significant fact here. In 1958 when he wrote the novel published in 1959, very little was known about MKULTRA outside of the group of CIA insiders directly involved with that project including Dr. Hans J. Eysenck later with Draper's Pioneer Fund. If anyone could have high jacked the techniques of creating and controlling a programmed assassin and delivered it directly to Wickliffe Draper, it would have been Eysenck. In fact I believe that this was exactly how Oswald was high jacked and used by these Eugenicists behind the JFK hit. Even H. Werner Kloepfer was in the American Eugenics Society from 1956 until the late 1970's which would go a long way to explain why Oswald had his address and phone number in his address book.

Similarly Condon used the artifact of "The Jukes" and "The Kallikaks" to highlight the roles of the works of people like Henry H. Goddard and Eugenicist Robert Yerkes in the likely machinations involved with creating a programmed assassin.

And the Giant Juke Box Company of Arcana, Illinois was a reference to The John Birch Society and Urbana, Illinois the home of Dr. Revilo P. Oliver who was a Warren Commission interviewee. And the Arcana was a reference to Adrian Arcand who was close to the Bill Buckley associates as well as Boris Brasol who worked with Robert Morris at The Coudert Brothers Law Firm who ran Buckley's NYC Mayoralty Campaign in about 1965.

The list of Condon artifacts like this is enormous and quite frankly I am just amazed that only 2 other have people found items like this within his novel. Someone in California cited a Shakespearean reference to the murder of Julius Caeser in Condon's novel. This guy, also a systems programmer, mentioned it probably had significance in solving the murder of JFK which was probably a plot approved by a half dozen or more right wing Senators just like in old Julius' case.

I just don't understand why people can not see Man Cand for what it is. Just a remarkable foreshadowing of the murder of JFK 5 years in advance by the people in The Birch Society who had tried and failed at this task in California when JFK was just a Senator according to Prof Jerry Rose.