Phil Dragoo Wrote:The wind is invisible. We see the tree move. It's magic.
:bandit: 'Do you believe in magic?'......:hmmmm:
psst...another great post Phil!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
The perps could not have created the Dealey structure
without LBJ in their TOOL BOX.
He was a willing tool, because he owed his very existence
to the rich and powerful whose bribes made him one of them.
By his position, he must be placed at the top of any chain
of JFK assassins, along with Dulles and Hoover, UNTIL those
handling such TOOLS are confirmed.
I have held this position for more than 30 years, and it has
stood the test of time.
The TOOL BOX was owned by Wall Street and Associates.
Still is. But TOOLS are expendable. Ruthless psychopaths
like LBJ preferred. Tools like Dick Cheney are easily bought.
Robert Morrow has made a case for LBJ being the ultimate psychopath. I think he was one of the worst of the Presidents but not close to being the ultimate psychopath. Those who sponsored the operation in Dealey Plaza were worse, for starters.
But merely compiling a series of threads on that same repetitious theme doesn't justify the quantum leap from psychopath to assassination mastermind. Lyndon Johnson wasn't the only psychopath who wanted Kennedy dead. There were plenty of others who were equally if not more determined to remove Kennedy. Many of these were smarter, wealthier, more dangerous, more ruthless, more powerful and more experienced killers than Lyndon Johnson, bad as he was. Importantly, they wanted to remain in the shadows. If it all went badly wrong LBJ could be thrown to the mob. After all, they could prove he was a psychopath.
If one accepts the premise that LBJ masterminded the assassination, the role and significance of other parties, including its true sponsors, diminishes by comparison making their exposure even less likely. This is what they hoped would happen as time passed.
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Lyndon Baines Johnson takes his place on the Great Mandala.
Yes, he didn't like John. And, yes, he signed NSAM 273 on the 26th.
April 23 he forecast Kennedy in Texas for a luncheon.
He didn't create Harvey and Lee beginning in 1951, nor lead the one from Minsk to the basement of the Dallas Police station, by way of leafleting in New Orleans and creating scenes in Mexico City.
He didn't engineer the regime change and executive action aspects of the national security shadow government, but he could take dictation.
And when Walter told him it was over, it was over.
He took his place between Hoover (1972, heart attack), and Nixon (1974, “effective noon tomorrow”), by stopping his heart (1973).
All in all he was just another brick in the wall.
A fascinating study in dark-side psychopathology to be sure, but in no way directing the continuing work of the powers that operate the presidents.
Blakey insisted the mob did it. Howard Hunt said it was Johnson.
Waldron and Hartmann say it was Cubans.
So we know it wasn't the mob, and it wasn't Johnson, and it wasn't Cubans.
Newman and Armstrong assert neither the mob, Johnson, Hoover, Cubans, nor oilmen could have created Oswald.
CIA tool Posner needs a gig and hey presto he is defending one of our great allies over there who is so-unfairly accused of being a drug-running tool of the CIA.
The wind is invisible. We see the tree move. It's magic.
Phil, this is magnificant. Robert, PLEASE learn from people who have seriously studied this case and how power really works for so much longer than you.
You need to read more and post less on the LBJ angle. We all KNOW your view so to repeat it over and over causes people to believe you are purposfully spreading disinformation. I know you have tons of books on this case. Don't just use them as indexes, READ them. Study and learn.
Phil's post above is brilliant. And he's paid his JFK research dues. This case is NOT a quick study. Far from it and you've just scratched the surface. I rest my case. Will say no more on the point. I say this much because I know how eager you are to learn, how many times you have called with questions , who to read etc.
Jack White Wrote:Lyndon was a TOOL, but a very POWERFUL TOOL.
The perps could not have created the Dealey structure
without LBJ in their TOOL BOX.
He was a willing tool, because he owed his very existence
to the rich and powerful whose bribes made him one of them.
By his position, he must be placed at the top of any chain
of JFK assassins, along with Dulles and Hoover, UNTIL those
handling such TOOLS are confirmed.
I have held this position for more than 30 years, and it has
stood the test of time.
The TOOL BOX was owned by Wall Street and Associates.
Still is. But TOOLS are expendable. Ruthless psychopaths
like LBJ preferred. Tools like Dick Cheney are easily bought.
Jack
Hmmm I agree with everything up to the Cheney quote. He's had a lot of evil power for a very long time. Every bit as bad as LBJ.
Maybe you have to actually live here to understand and accept how powerful the Tx connection actually is. People elsewhere seem to find it hard to fatham that a former President could actually have his own hit man. Maybe Tatro's book will be more convincing.
That said I believe the question of WHO did it is a fultile one. What must be understood is why it happened and who did not do it. The killers are not hiding in plain sight. JFK had way too many enemies for anyone to be certain WHICH plan was put in place, but TX. and LBJ are good places to start. And I have held this opinion since day one.
Dawn
Jack White Wrote:I DO actually live here. Fort Worth.:proud:
I know that, Jack. How come you never come to COPA, since you are so close?
Dawn
I did that for many years. It finally got very repetitive and
there was seldom anything new. I then went to a few just
to see friends seldom seen. Now there are few of them.
Then I went just to the knoll on November 22s, and then
missed a few.
So basically, I have better things to do with my time. If
I am still here in 2013, I may go for the 50th.
Jack White Wrote:I DO actually live here. Fort Worth.:proud:
I know that, Jack. How come you never come to COPA, since you are so close?
Dawn
I did that for many years. It finally got very repetitive and
there was seldom anything new. I then went to a few just
to see friends seldom seen. Now there are few of them.
Then I went just to the knoll on November 22s, and then
missed a few.
So basically, I have better things to do with my time. If
I am still here in 2013, I may go for the 50th.
Jack
I, for one, wish you to be there/here in 2013 and 2023, 2034......few have done as much [IMO] for investigation into the treason of 11/22/63 as well as 9/11/01....:dancing2:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Our friend the financial advisor shared his two-page letter to Caro regarding a curious speaking tour by Eliot Janeway, Johnson's earliest backer and financial advisor.
Janeway appeared at our friend's financial house as part of a visit to Boston and New York firms during the summer of 1963.
“For the next twenty to thirty minutes Janeway spoke to us as a 'close friend of LBJ of long standing' about the dangerous man called John F. Kennedy who occupied the presidency of the United States. He whispered his comments in what I have always referred to as a hiss. Janeway had not one good thing to say about JFK or his brother Robert, and strongly advised us to consider the great damage that they could and probably would do to the nation.”
“It was obvious while Janeway spoke to us that he was more than just a friend and messenger of LBJ's. He was virulent, he was evil, and I am sure he believed every word he spoke. There was no discussion of current economics in that meeting, nor were either (deleted) or I allowed time to comment or question his statements. It was a prepared speech, and when it ended, Janeway Left.”
It was Johnson who on April 23, 1963, first forecast Kennedy's luncheon in Dallas later in the year. Horne points out in Inside the ARRB that the Secret Service destroyed its records for the year from that date rather than surrender them to the archives under the JFK Records Act.
Johnson was allowed to wear the crown before taking his place in the gallery of rogues between Hoover (d. 1972) and Nixon (resigned 1974). The black heart stopped in 1973.
That the Oswald legend preceded the Johnson involvement, and the Joannides coverup succeeded him, places him as Another Roadside Attraction, rather than the Roman road from Babylon to Hell.
How come you never come to COPA, since you are so close? 