30-11-2012, 08:52 AM (This post was last modified: 30-11-2012, 09:30 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Ahhhhhyup!:mexican: Suggest we search the other photos of people behind the fence / parking lot area and DP generally to see if we can spot these two in other places and what paths they took - especially where they were at the moment OF. They were involved. But from what my research has been able to garner, the Plaza was full to bursting with spooks, actors, props [some of them people - others objects], foils, perps, shills....even fake SS and Policemen in the crowd - and of course [IMO] about six shooter teams [likely in threes - a gunman, a lookout/breakdown man, and a radioman/coordinator] - not all of which might have fired. While clear enough, if anyone has an appropriate program that could take aways some of the blur, that might be nice. It was quite the Magic Theater.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:Hello Charles, I'm still out here, "Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy..."
My contributions to this fine forum are meager in comparison to what some here bring. There are times I tell myself I have to get away - and it's good to take breaks on occasion - but I invariably find my way back to read, what I feel, is the 'cutting edge' stuff as to what happened to President Kennedy.
After awhile there's a construct in my head of all of you. I have an image of "Charles" and "Dawn." "Peter" and "Jan" and "Magda." The posters too. "Jim" and "Greg" and "Phil." "Vasilios" and "Peter." "Adele" and "Nathaniel." "Mark" and "Keith." "David" and "Bill." The illusion of the Internet has made us friends, at least for those of us that read more than we post.
I don't intend to diminish the other sites that contribute effort and understanding of what happened to our last real President. But, this site is the place where I feel the greatest kinship. This is the place I find the biggest minds...and hearts. And, it is always with great appreciation I come here for a visit and to learn about the world where I live.
Many years ago now I set out on a journey to discover the truth of that world, both inside and out. I am convinced at this stage, that journey has no end. And, I'm no longer at all certain the division of the inner and outer has any real substance. But, that's a topic for another day...
I am fascinated by the logistics and machinations of the Kennedy Murder. I can read about it endlessly and discuss it the same. The number of shooters in the plaza. Where they were stationed and the number of shots. Doppelgangers. Body swaps. Film alteration. All of that.
At one stage in my search I wanted names. Real names, dammit. Not "The Military Industrial Complex" or the "American Corporatocracy." Who were the men in the shadows that could kill a president in broad daylight of an American city and get away with it? And, after years of search, those names - at least to some limited extent - began to surface. I began to feel that although I knew I would never completely understand how the whole machinery of the assassination worked, I at least had a broad outline of it, who was behind it and why.
I feel I have some knowledge now of how the American political system really works, the disgrace of it. The utter lack of compassion that comes from this system. But, all systems fail in the end, do they not? Even the once noble ones.
I saw the movie "Lincoln" a few days ago. In no way have I ever been a Steven Spielberg fan, but this movie knocked my socks off. Mainly because it showed Lincoln as a human being who felt a calling beyond the time of his life, with an urgency to get something done before he departed this mortal coil, with nothing taken for granted. If you haven't, I suggest you also read the Doris Kearns Goodwin book Team of Rivals. It gives much greater color to the parties involved, especially Seward. The one problem I have with both is neither address that nothing was done, ever, to prepare these poor people for emancipation. It remains as one of the greatest stains on this country.
That got me to wondering. What if there was one man like Lincoln or Kennedy in a position of real power in the world? Could he effect change? One man to see that there is nothing really to be gained in the reach for control and/or power; one man to see that we all die. We all share the same experience, as JFK said in his American University speech. This life is ours, and when one is diminished we all are.
What if David or Nelson were more like Jack and Bobby, instead of suffering from an out of control daddy complex? Would the world be a different place? From what I've read exactly the opposite is true. Jack to a lesser degree but, Bobby definitley had a "daddy complex". He had a history of conflict with people that were either FDR loyalists or critical of his father's tenure as ambassador.
Are you confusing David and Nelson's grandfather with their father?
Recently I've re-discovered some stuff that interested me when I was a younger man: Dr. David Bohm and his holographic view of how the universe works. I know this is not the specific place for this topic, but not long ago I came upon a question that Bohm asked in one of his seminars before he died:
"Does the thinker create thought, or does thought create the thinker?"
Much like some of my discoveries in the murder of President Kennedy, this simple question has turned my world upside down. If thought creates the thinker, as Bohm suggests, the world cracks open and nothing is as it seems.
There is a great mystery that goes on all around us. Most of the time, most of us are asleep to it. I think there's a fear even in the consideration of simple questions that we will be jarred from the comfort of our slumber. For me, one of those basic questions was about the murder of President Kennedy. The consideration of it I have carried for almost three decades now.
And, I know up ahead and around the bend, the road will curve and continue much farther than I can currently imagine or see.
Thanks Charles for remembering me and to all those that have helped make this forum what it is, administrators and posters alike.