The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold

[Seamus Coogan]

It all reminds me of a song ...

"How Long Has This Ben Gurion?"

I could cry salty tears ...

I learn't many years ago never too trust a Gershwin fan. My uncles huge on him. Very funny. I saw Fantasia II and despite the first being a classic there was a brilliant treatment they gave Rhapsody in Blue. Sooo bloody sad he died so young a genius.

[Mark Stapleton]

As you can see people mostly dismiss Piper's 'Final Judgment' with one line responses. However if you have read the book it is highly credible and has enough dense valid reference and an extensive enumeration of the characters involved and their affinities that it automatically rises above these short dismissals.

Yeah I know. That's why I'm only an occasional visitor these days. Seems like the DPF has been overrun by clowns with a full repertoire of glib one liners.

If Americans don't want to know how they've become what they are, there's no point wasting your breath.

I'm glad to have made your acquaintance Albert.

[Jim DiEugenio]

Go ahead and give us his case then.

Name the names and cite the moves made to kill Kennedy by his Israeli conspiracy.

[Seamus Coogan]

As you can see people mostly dismiss Piper's 'Final Judgment' with one line responses. However if you have read the book it is highly credible and has enough dense valid reference and an extensive enumeration of the characters involved and their affinities that it automatically rises above these short dismissals.

Yeah I know. That's why I'm only an occasional visitor these days. Seems like the DPF has been overrun by clowns with a full repertoire of glib one liners.

If Americans don't want to know how they've become what they are, there's no point wasting your breath.

I'm glad to have made your acquaintance Albert.

Mark unlike you, Albert in the time I've know him since Lancer has bought a heap to numerous other debates and discussions I have had with him. I haven't had much discourse with you thankfully. As it's not an entirely pleasurable experience I've been having (maybe this is karma however lol). I disagree with much of what Al says in this debate, I.E. Israel killed Kennedy. However, we DO enjoy some good back and forth and more than occassionally we share some good information and insight. He's not a one track pony. Furthermore go and check out Jim Phelps and his posts.

Do you really want to go there? As for frustration with short one line answers, well let me put this too you.

Jim is a very busy guy. He teaches during the day runs CTKA and researches god knows what by night. Teachers have to do a lot of marking also. How on Earth he even manages to reply too mine or anybodies emails let alone find the time posting on any forum staggers me. You don't think that with all the years he's spent doing this beat that he hasn't examined your angle? Help I've been at it for sometime prior to ever getting published on CTKA or joining a forum and I have never come across any valid connections either. And this was well before I even met Jim. Hell, I've just written in excess of some 50,000 words all up in two essays for CTKA one of which what appears to be now in Six Parts, an off shoot of which has detailed a nice little trap set up by the Sixth Floor Museum for followers of Piper.

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/...ave-em#485

Sorry if either of us haven't had the time to justify any points we've made more fully. But when you do 'real' research and not rely on one source things tend too take a little more time.

[James Lewis]

I see that we've been having, shall we say, spirited discussions on this subject since I've last posted. Let's get back on point, shall we?

1. LBJ did not under any circumstances plan the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He didn't have the know-how to pull it off, and he certainly didn't have the pull within the Eastern Establishment to cover it up. As has been pointed out in the book The Assassinations, ARRB documents clearly show that Johnson was against the idea of the Warren Commission, and had to be prodded into it by Eugene Rostow, Joe Alsop, and possibly Nick Katzenbach to do it. And why, if he had actually planned the assassination, would he put himself directly in the line of fire? Suffice to say, Johnson didn't have the pull necessary to do this. Let's stay on topic, guys.

[Seamus Coogan]

I see that we've been having, shall we say, spirited discussions on this subject since I've last posted. Let's get back on point, shall we?

1. LBJ did not under any circumstances plan the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He didn't have the know-how to pull it off, and he certainly didn't have the pull within the Eastern Establishment to cover it up. As has been pointed out in the book The Assassinations, ARRB documents clearly show that Johnson was against the idea of the Warren Commission, and had to be prodded into it by Eugene Rostow, Joe Alsop, and possibly Nick Katzenbach to do it. And why, if he had actually planned the assassination, would he put himself directly in the line of fire? Suffice to say, Johnson didn't have the pull necessary to do this. Let's stay on topic, guys.

Its amazing how many times you tell this information to the LBJ lynch mob and they just refuse to acknowledge it. Its all documented and verified. P.S Cheers this topic had gone well off of the boil.

[James Lewis]

Well, Seamus, one thing I've learned over the years. People will believe what they want to believe sometimes - facts be damned. Trust me, I'm learning this in the 9/11 forum. Oh yeah...I was also denounced as a nut job, completely unpatriotic, and was told that if I hated the US so much, that I should just leave. This when I brought up 9/11 in the middle of a discussion me and some people were having on JFK. Liars figure, and figures lie...

I see that we've been having, shall we say, spirited discussions on this subject since I've last posted. Let's get back on point, shall we?

1. LBJ did not under any circumstances plan the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He didn't have the know-how to pull it off, and he certainly didn't have the pull within the Eastern Establishment to cover it up. As has been pointed out in the book The Assassinations, ARRB documents clearly show that Johnson was against the idea of the Warren Commission, and had to be prodded into it by Eugene Rostow, Joe Alsop, and possibly Nick Katzenbach to do it. And why, if he had actually planned the assassination, would he put himself directly in the line of fire? Suffice to say, Johnson didn't have the pull necessary to do this. Let's stay on topic, guys.

Its amazing how many times you tell this information to the LBJ lynch mob and they just refuse to acknowledge it. Its all documented and verified. P.S Cheers this topic had gone well off of the boil.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

To sum it up.
LBJ was not a sponsor or the mastermind of the assassination, just a puppet that was used by the real sponsors.
Israel and Ben Gurion did not organize and sponsor the assassination. Israel is a MAJOR FALSE SPONSOR. The plot was All American and domestic.
Mossad was and still is involved in joined operations with US intelligence but that is a different matter. Angleton being a facilitator of the assassination and the handler of the Israeli desk might have used Mossad as cut outs. However we do not have the evidence to support this. We can neither prove that he did use them or that he did not.
A note for Mark Stapleton:For reasons i have explained in another thread i consider "Final Judgement" a disinformation book, blaming Israel in order to discredit the Angleton-Lansky-Bahamas banks-drug network-far east revealed in the book by assossiation with the Anti-Semite angle. You are falling in the same trap.

[Seamus Coogan]

To sum it up.
LBJ was not a sponsor or the mastermind of the assassination, just a puppet that was used by the real sponsors.
Israel and Ben Gurion did not organize and sponsor the assassination. Israel is a MAJOR FALSE SPONSOR. The plot was All American and domestic.
Mossad was and still is involved in joined operations with US intelligence but that is a different matter. Angleton being a facilitator of the assassination and the handler of the Israeli desk might have used Mossad as cut outs. However we do not have the evidence to support this. We can neither prove that he did use them or that he did not.
A note for Mark Stapleton:For reasons i have explained in another thread i consider "Final Judgement" a disinformation book, blaming Israel in order to discredit the Angleton-Lansky-Bahamas banks-drug network-far east revealed in the book by assossiation with the Anti-Semite angle. You are falling in the same trap.

Good post Vasilios. Covered it all with one swoop. I take it your of Greek Heritage?

[Charles Drago]

Wrong, I'm afraid.

Not only was the plot NOT "all American and domestic," it was supra-national in origin (which is to say, at the Sponsorship and highest Facilitator levels).

The ULTIMATE False Sponsor is the nationalism/political ideology chimera.