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Charles Drago Wrote:I refer you to
http://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2007/0...ormer.html
Vince Palamara's wandering stance regarding conspiracy in the JFK case has led to well-deserved mistrust among us. I know Vince fairly well, and without violating our friendship I can share my sense that his wanderings, if you will, are not the work of an enemy agent.
When Vince was preparing the first draft of his Secret Service study, he sought George Michael Evica's counsel. The latter kindly -- such was his nature -- walked the young author through the process of rejecting the false choices of certain either/or scenarios and instead looking for "third alternatives" to explain events under scrutiny.
Vince did just that. It is my understanding that George Michael talked to him in some detail (I was not present at any of those sessions) about the likelihood of penetration by conspirators of a scheduled security stripping exercise in Dallas.
Security stripping is the common denominator in almost all attacks on well-guarded targets: in the 20th century see JFK, MLK, Diana, and the WTC and Pentagon on 9-11 for cases in point.
Kennedy's motorcade was stripped of regulation SS configurations.
I'll let Vince speak for himself. He's far more knowledgeable than I on this matter.
I agree I don't have a problem with Vinces work on the Secret Service CD. I see a foolish dude craving for attention at times (as do you it seems). But I think his work on the Secret Service bares scrutiny.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
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Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Israel is not the sponsor of the assassination and the majority of us we are on agreement. They might have been used at the facilitator or operational level but we don't have the evidence. Talking of Final Judgement that book shares on thing in common with Perfect cover. I don't imply that they are of the same value, you do know my opinion reagrding Final Judgement. However they both mention a simulated attack/fake attempt in Dealey Plaza. Any thoughts on this scenario?
I don't quite understand what the second part of your post alludes to but you make an interesting comment.
You acknowledge Israel might be implicated but seem strangely disinterested in pursuing this line of research. This is the antithesis of a researcher.
An enquiring mind wants the answer, regardless of who it might offend.
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:I am very anti Zionist as are many others on this forum but we can separate our condemnation of the things done by Zionists from the issue of who killed JFK.
Dawn
How?
I thought you loved JFK.
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Mark Stapleton Wrote:Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Israel is not the sponsor of the assassination and the majority of us we are on agreement. They might have been used at the facilitator or operational level but we don't have the evidence. Talking of Final Judgement that book shares on thing in common with Perfect cover. I don't imply that they are of the same value, you do know my opinion reagrding Final Judgement. However they both mention a simulated attack/fake attempt in Dealey Plaza. Any thoughts on this scenario?
I don't quite understand what the second part of your post alludes to but you make an interesting comment.
You acknowledge Israel might be implicated but seem strangely disinterested in pursuing this line of research. This is the antithesis of a researcher.
An enquiring mind wants the answer, regardless of who it might offend.
I am not going to continue this argument i have said all i had to say regarding Israel. We agree to disagree. You are not interested to find out who killed JFK, you are more interested to condemn Israel for the crime. Israel is a foot soldier that plays a specific role to serve the purposes of the money trust.
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Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Israel is a foot soldier that plays a specific role to serve the purposes of the money trust.
They are a little bit more than that but that's an interesting observation.
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Seamus Coogan Wrote:George Michael Evica thought Mossad was Awesome????????
Now seeing as Jim DiEugenio is 'responsible' look out! Our memories of GME are shattered. I have to ask Charles was GME a tease? Did he lead the guys on with a smile and a laugh but never go 'all the way?' Were you the victim of GME the temptresses designs and blinded in your passions. Well according to Piper GME led him on badly (as he did you) I hear now that GME really loved Mossad all along. I'm sorry Chuck! I just didn't know how to break it too you!
"In a similar vein, longtime JFK assassination researcher George Michael Evica has referred to my documentation of the Mossad connections of Permindex as being part of the "Communist" false sponsors of disinformation in the JFK assassination and described Final Judgment as being "itself a valuable exercise in 'false flags,' patsies and inverted plots, but like the Garrison investigation, a major venting of False Sponsorship `leads,' which, paradoxically is its most significant value."
Evica makes a good point that there has been quite a bit of disinformation relating to the JFK assassination in circulation over the years, but he is obviously unwilling to concede the possibility that those wonderful intelligence operatives at the Mossad had anything to do with it.
Evidently, in Evica's view, the Mossad is the only intelligence agency in the world that kept its hands clean as far as the JFK assassination is concerned. As I keep saying to people: "If the Mossad and Israel loved JFK so much, why don't JFK researchers go to the Mossad and ask them to find out what really happened to JFK and settle the matter once and for all?"
This entire ramble is pathetic and bizarre. When did Evica ever call Mossad 'wonderful' and when did Evica ever say every single intelligence agency in the world was ever involved?
And remember those nukes are a coming.
Seamus,
Clearly you're attempting to make an ironic rebuttal to Piper's classic and intentionally disinformative interpretation of Evica's criticisms of the former's book.
Well, maybe "clearly" is the wrong word ...
I'm sorely tempted to share the story of James Jesus Angleton's "approach" to George Michael.
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Seamus,
Clearly you're attempting to make an ironic rebuttal to Piper's classic and intentionally disinformative interpretation of Evica's criticisms of the former's book. Well, maybe "clearly" is the wrong word ...I'm sorely tempted to share the story of James Jesus Angleton's "approach" to George Michael.
Yes, I think it got lost. He calls Jim a 'responsible' researcher. Simply because Jim has never had the chance to flat out refute him.
Please do tell us all Angleton story CD it will make for a great fire side story. Oh by the way oh leader. I can confirm that Piper despite 'dissing' the Torbitt document has in fact used them and quite substantially so!!!!
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Charles Drago Wrote:I'm sorely tempted to share the story of James Jesus Angleton's "approach" to George Michael.
Come on Charles. Out with it.
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Charles Drago Wrote:I refer you to
http://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2007/0...ormer.html
Vince Palamara's wandering stance regarding conspiracy in the JFK case has led to well-deserved mistrust among us. I know Vince fairly well, and without violating our friendship I can share my sense that his wanderings, if you will, are not the work of an enemy agent.
When Vince was preparing the first draft of his Secret Service study, he sought George Michael Evica's counsel. The latter kindly -- such was his nature -- walked the young author through the process of rejecting the false choices of certain either/or scenarios and instead looking for "third alternatives" to explain events under scrutiny.
Vince did just that. It is my understanding that George Michael talked to him in some detail (I was not present at any of those sessions) about the likelihood of penetration by conspirators of a scheduled security stripping exercise in Dallas.
Security stripping is the common denominator in almost all attacks on well-guarded targets: in the 20th century see JFK, MLK, Diana, and the WTC and Pentagon on 9-11 for cases in point.
Kennedy's motorcade was stripped of regulation SS configurations.
I'll let Vince speak for himself. He's far more knowledgeable than I on this matter.
It seems unlikely that Vince will speak for himself regarding the security stripping.
