Bernice Moore Wrote:fwiw I did the best i could with trying to blow up and crop the back window of the lead car, i think it is the top, perhaps fringe of the flag on the left front fender of the xp 100...imo..
i posted this link in shots, but perhaps the info should be available here...thanks...b
Cool and thanks for explanation vis a vis the flag. I'd suggest to anyone looking at it to take it down a frame size or two. It's pretty clear theres no gunman but there's likely a head possibly the back. Lets not get 'badgeman' on all this though lol!
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
Seamus Coogan Wrote:I'm open to it in some ways but why am I not cool about putting a cardboard role up against a camera imitating a scope to me and using the Altgens photo as evidence (when it was on a totally lower elevation) is just plain stoopid. As for 180 degrees shooting archs and sniper angles where did you get that? Are you also saying the fatal head shot came from the Southside as well Al? What CIA hitman (often free lance or hired ie they're not quite as in-house as people think) would wanna take shot through a wind sheild with a low cal rifle? Nope I'm sticking with more or less to the Elm side of the Plaza.
I've always held the position that if a bullet went through the windshield there would be no doubt about it. That there would be a clear, fully-blown and visible bullet hole for all to see that would leave no doubt. Perhaps some materials fell out after a bullet impacted the inside of the windshield making it appear as a clean bullet hole later on.
Weldon makes a good point when he says the weather was not predictable. Therefore the bubble top could have been in place if the showers continued during the motorcade. So it is possible a windshield shot was planned for that contingency.
Weldon makes a good case that the middle man usually sitting in the front seat was removed for the Dallas motorcade. You are looking at pure evidence of a CIA coup d etat there since no mafia men or Cubans could have ordered that. It also suggests a planned shot from the south knoll.
In the end we can't prove that the windshield wasn't just nicked and removed in the Ford plant just to head-off ALL evidence. However the logic still stands that Altgens captured the windshield damage at a time where it can't correspond to any of the official shots. The best we can do is say the magic bullet was faked and the windshield damage came from a fragment from that shot. But if you compute that with the magic bullet shot wounds it still doesn't make sense. So all evidence and logic points towards the windshield shot being a separate shot. It would also explain Kennedy's neck wound being an entrance wound.
We agree on this!
A shot from the south knoll would also correspond to the CIA sniper tactic of setting-up a kill shot opposite the diversion shot. But also a simple crossfire triangulation. The combination of Grassy Knoll, South Knoll, Dal-Tex, and possibly Depository would more than cover the need for an assured kill.
If the head shot was from the rear then the angle of Kennedy's head at 23 degrees left would correspond to a shot exiting on the right side of his head. I won't commit to this because I'm now a believer in the temple shot seen by Crenshaw. I didn't believe in it before but I've since been persuaded by the overt level of corruption in the evidence I didn't think was possible. I've seen enough proof of total corruption and deep CIA control that we are now into Alice's wonderland and anything is possible as far as the evidence.
What is very interesting here is Penn Jones said he saw a woman being interviewed by a TV reporter saying she saw a shot from the south knoll. It would be very scary if we had a unknown victim whose witnessing was so dangerous that we don't even know she disappeared. So much for the bravery of our so-called "free press" in stepping-up and revealing that interview.
Oh for a photographer that caught a sharp close-up of the windshield at Parkland. Or for a conscientious Ford worker crew that switched windshields and smuggled the real one out to keep as evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vClwuJ0yuWM
This is the video of the doctor who stated she put her finger through the hole in the windshield.
Doug Weldon gave the taped interview of the autoworker who witnessed the windshield being worked on. How much evidence does one need?
I came to post the link to the Dallas Underground Tunnels Site, but alas it appears to be gone again, it does have a history of such...you can do a search on a google and see for yourself, it was there, here is a link to a video concerning the same...fwiw...Jack Brazil and his men, as well as Penn Jones and some others were very correct...for now take care best b..
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Small Army Mans Vast
Underground of Dallas
By Ben Bradford
Dallas has a vast underground.
ItÕs a little known world, made up of tunnels,
basements, sub-basements, manhole vaults and
sewers that catacomb the city. And, itÕs manned by a
small army of men and women who make all or most of
their living beneath the earthÕs surface.
Few laymen know the enormity of the cityÕs
underground.
DallasÕ storm sewer system -- with some lines as much
as sixteen feet in diameter -- would permit a man
familiar with the system to travel beneath the surface
to nearly any point in the downtown section and to
many suburban areas.
A steam locomotive operates daily under Young and
Wood Streets, with its northern terminal directly under
the second section of the Santa Fe Building on
Jackson.
Two large tunnels pass under Main and Akard Streets
connecting the Hotel Adolphus and the Kirby and
Magnolia Buildings.
Most of the downtown streets and sidewalks are mere
shells over these underground installations.
Trackage Totals Two Miles.
DallasÕ underground railroad, operated by Santa Fe,
keeps six railroad men and around fifty dockhands
under the ground most of each day.
The locomotive dips under the earthÕs surface 300
yards south of Young Street and pushes along the main
underground line to Jackson Street. A labyrinth of
tunneled sidings boosts the lineÕs total trackage to
around two miles.
Each day, the little engine, in operation since 1924,
when the tunnel was completed, chugs in and out of
the tunnel -- unmindful of the heavy traffic above it --
with tons of merchandise for approximately a dozen
Dallas firms with underground docks.
Largest of Santa FeÕs underground customers is the
Dallas Transfer & Terminal Warehouse Company.
The engine operates with live steam, which is pumped
into its tanks at intervals of from three to four hours. It
can not produce its own steam because smoke would
make the tunnel untenable.
Cool in Summer, Says Worker.
W. B. Nail, 49, who has played nursemaid to the little
locomotive for the last five years, likes his underground
job.
ÒItÕs cool in the summer, and it never freezes in the
winter,Ó he explained.
The Dallas Power & Light Company, Southwestern Bell
Telephone Company and Western Union went
underground with their installations in the last half of
the 1920Õs in an effort to clear downtown streets of
telephone and power poles and a criss-crossed
network of power lines.
Now, there are 2,530 underground manhole vaults
beneath the cityÕs streets and sidewalks. These vaults
range from small 4x5-foot cubby-holes, to spaces as
large as a big living room.
The three companies keep a total of approximately
eighty-five workers underground each day on
maintenance work.
25 Years Spent Underground.
O. J. Jones, 55, of 1413 Peabody, went underground as
a DP&L cable splicer twenty-six years ago and has
been on below-the-surface work ever since. He likes it.
The grizzled, underground veteran puts it like this:
Ã’Some guys like the poles. But, pole work freezes a
man in winter and roasts him in the summer. ItÕs
always just about right in the vaults. Besides, I know a
few guys thatÕve fallen off poles -- but, I never heard
of anyone falling out of one of these holes.Ó
Hundreds of persons are employed in the basements
and sub-basements of the cityÕs large downtown
buildings. Basement job holders range from power
plant engineers to bank vault guards, bargain
basement clerks and pastry chefs.
The Hotel Adolphus employs 550 workers, 400 of them
in the hotelÕs mammoth five-level basement that drops
two complete stories below street level.
In the various basements are the laundry, power plant,
engineering department, bakery, butcher shop,
storerooms, ice plant, artesian well, carpenter shop,
paint shop, upholstery shop and merchandise receiving
room.
Office One of CityÕs Lowest.
W. A. Griffith, 49, took over his job as operating
engineer for the Hotel Adolphus five years ago. His
office is in the fifth sub-basement, one of the lowest in
the city.
Although Griffith has gone as long as a week at a time
without a glimpse of the sun during winterÕs short days,
he insists he had just as soon work underground as
above it.
P. A. Ingels, a native of Belgium, and pastry chef for
Hotel Adolphus since 1921, says heÕs none the worse
for the twenty-six years heÕs spent in the hotel
basement.
ÒI guess itÕs all in what you get used to,Ó he said,
adding, Òbut I do wish theyÕd hurry up with the air
conditioning they say theyÕre going to put down here.Ó
Felix Dyer, a retired Dallas policeman, who guards the
First National BankÕs underground vault, says flatly,
that underground work is better than pounding a beat
all day.
Miss Margueritte Chamberlain, who has had a
basement job at the bank for the last three years, says
she sees no difference between her job and one
upstairs.
Experts Currently at Work.
Approximately sixty expert underground workers, many
with extensive mining experience, are at work on the
two major tunneling projects currently under way in
the city.
The McKenzie Construction Company of San Antonio is
tunneling a 4,200-foot underground storm sewer in
connection with the Central Boulevard project and the
P. C. Sorenson Company of Dallas is at work on three
large sewer tunnels, totaling around 1,000 feet on the
east bank interceptor sewer project.
At present, the Sorenson company is midway through
with its tunnel under West Commerce between the
Triple Underpass and Industrial.
Underground laborers on the tunneling project receive
$1.25 an hour -- 45¢ more than above-ground common
labor.
Veteran Miner Likes Work.
G. S. Cross, the Sorenson companyÕs tunneling
superintendent and veteran coal miner, has survived
three mine cave-ins, but still likes his underground
work.
Thirty-five feet under the center of West Commerce last
week, he picked up a handful of damp earth from the
bank of earth his men were tunneling through, and
said:
ÒI reckon itÕs the challenge that I like about the
underground work. ItÕs always you and your men
against the tricky earth youÕre punching through.Ó
Walter C. Brown, his burly swing-shift foreman, nodded
agreement, then hopped nimbly out of the path of the
donkey cart of dirt, a winch and cable was hauling to
the tunnelÕs entrance.
- July 27, 1947, The Dallas Morning News, Sec. IV, p. 1.
[The article includes two photographs, one bearing the
caption:
Ã’Tunnel workers push a section of the east bank
interceptor sewer thirty-five feet beneath West
Commerce, between Industrial and Triple Underpass.
Left to right: Cap Larsen, co-contractor on the project;
J. A. Smith, laborer; K. R. Baker, city engineer; Walter C.
Brown, swing-shift foreman; G. S. Cross, tunnel
superintendent on the project, and Lynn Barner,
laborer."
the other photo, bears the caption:
"W. R. Nail, assistant Santa Fe roundhouse foreman, is
nursemaid to this odd-shaped underground locomotive
which chugs busily beneath Dallas streets and
buildings. The picture was made in the tunnel under
the Santa Fe BuildingÕs second section."
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Related article: ÒDallas Subway Already ExistsÓ
January 7, 1965, The Dallas Morning
Aug. 2011;;Workers in downtown Dallas are beating the triple-digit heat by going to ground -- underground.
The tunnels, which were built 50 years ago to create a city within a city, were expanded in the 1970s and 1980s with the construction of large downtown office towers
Here s a sideshow showing the Dallas Tunnels......I can imagine how cool they must be on a hot July afternoon........one bit of information i am somewhat surprised by as i have visited the links, is how many Dallas citizens exclaim that they have not been aware of them......yet they do go back many years,thanks b..
If interested here is Penn Jones pdf re his information on his drain adventures......also Greg Burnham's site link...http://jfktruth.org/drain/index.htm.......
Magda the uploading of the Penn Jones pdf failed...perhaps you could help...hock:thanks..b
06-04-2013, 11:51 PM (This post was last modified: 07-04-2013, 12:07 AM by Bernice Moore.)
Here are a few more photos re this subject also a copy paste from a lancer thread information fron Jerry Dealey about a knoll drain collapse in the 70's will attach the photo, also it includes the link to Mike Parks anti, sewer research which i feel is only fair..but keep in mind earlier in this thread the information that differs with his dimensions of the size of the drains...your choice of course...and a couple of others thanks...best b.........if any doubles please delete from files...thank you...i think the man in the drain with the white shirt may be rex bradford, does anyone know...also here is Jerry Dealey's information...b
''Richard,
Go back and watch TMWKK carefully. They show him in the drain, and then walking off ON THE SIDEWALK. Then they cut to a walkable storm drain over BY THE TRINITY RIVER as the place they would come out. (I recall it was Walt Brown, but I could be mistaken.)
I have been in that storm drain, and at the bottom there is about a 14-16" pipe (I added 2 inches). A person would have to snake through that across Elm, presumably on their belly. Remember also that it rained that morning.
Some then venture that on the south side of Main the storm drains converge, and that THERE is a pipe large enough to crawl through (and I have NOT been down there).
At least that is how it is today. Some will contend that they have rebuilt Dealey Plaza. I do know of one 'collapse' on the Grassy Knoll by the street, in the mid-70's, and this is the steroscopic photo they made of it before the repair. It was just a few feet west (toward the Underpass) of the drain, and they slightly altered the street when they repaired it.(I will attempt to attach it.)
In fact, right here: http://www.jfklancer.com/draintn.html on JFK Lancer is the photos taken by Mike Parks in 1996. You can see down into the storm drain, and its position to the "X", etc''
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hock:thanks..b