25-02-2009, 06:08 AM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2009, 09:16 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Dixie Dea Wrote:Dawn....The so-called, "Safe House," was not the main Boarding House on Beckley, where LHO was residing....and actually we do know, at least some of the boarders there, at the time. This house was owned by Gladys and Arthur Johnson.
The Safe-House was located behind the main house. However, I am unsure if it was on the same property or if the Johnspn's also owned it too. Most likely a list of those residing there, are the undislosed names. I have saen a photo of that back house! I also believe that Tosh said he had been in that back safe house and had even carved his initials on the kitchen counter. I was thinking he also said he saw LHO in there, but not positive on that part.
There were supposedly at least 4-5 so-called Safe Houses around the area.
The rest of the above article does not actually realte to eash other....IMO anyway. It is like trying to fit different bits of unrelated info together. But then of course, could be that I only assumed that it an attempt to tie it all together.
Dixie
Quite a few operative-types have confirmed there were a number of safe-houses in Dallas area. I think it might be a reasonable assumption knowing who 'LHO' was, that he'd always stay in one. To my knowledge there are two kinds. Those that would only have operative types and those that are 'approved' and might also take-in unsuspecting and non-operative types, as well.
There is a thread on the EF that Plumlee clarified much of this on...but can't find it. If anyone knows the url, please post.
26-02-2009, 07:17 AM (This post was last modified: 26-02-2009, 07:20 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Tosh, Good to hear from you and thanks for the posts, but can you repost the photo of the car...it didn't work for the rest of us. Hey, there is a thread on the Jay Harrison materials on the Forum and some aspects of it I'd prefer to tell you privately, and will send an email shortly. Let me ask a general question. Someone like Oswald (or yourself) being an operative - although (of course) NOT always ON an operation; would it be SOP to always take a safehouse OR a house that was intel 'OK'd' when taking a room - even if not specifically active on a mission at that time? Be well.
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Tosh: Jay's stuff is not lost, just buried. Peter and I have hounded Walt Brown for sometime to DO something with it. Then a few months ago I called some more of Jay's friends to let them know that this archive, "bigger than that of Mary Ferrell"- (quoting Walt here)- is in storage with no plans to be released. Tragic. Maddening.
Dawn
Who has legal custody of this material?
Can the current ownership survive legal challenge?
I have an idea, which I'll make public in about five minutes on a new thread.
CD
C. D. I missed this post before. Walt has legal custody pursuant to Jay's will.
I know it IS costing him $ to store this stuff. And perhaps, in Walt's defense, Jay did not explain his system, no clue really as in the past Walt said he was too busy to get to it, working on the chronology.
I rarely post in JFK threads, as I do not possess the decades of study and knowledge to comment intelligently on the crucial minutiae.
However, I have done some work in the mind control field, and I will offer a tentative comment here.
My instinct is that LHO's rapidly gained "fluency" in the Russian language is absolutely crucial to understanding the nature of Oswald.
And how many Oswalds there were...
Jan:
It is clear from my partial reading of "Harvey and Lee" that "Lee Oswald" did not learn to speak Russian, that "Harvey" was fluent in Russian because, it is surmised by Artmstrong, that he was born in that part of the world and was brought here as a child, raised by the entity we know as "Marguerite" Oswald, while a different Marguerite was raising Lee Oswald, an American who was several inches taller than Harvey, had a hot temper (unlike Harvey), and the two Oswalds lead parrell lives, finally having said lives "merged" for what ever purposes our shadow government deemed useful. Harvey (falsely) "defected" and it was Harvey who was killed on 11/24/63.
Dawn
I rarely post in JFK threads, as I do not possess the decades of study and knowledge to comment intelligently on the crucial minutiae.
However, I have done some work in the mind control field, and I will offer a tentative comment here.
My instinct is that LHO's rapidly gained "fluency" in the Russian language is absolutely crucial to understanding the nature of Oswald.
And how many Oswalds there were...
Jan:
It is clear from my partial reading of "Harvey and Lee" that "Lee Oswald" did not learn to speak Russian, that "Harvey" was fluent in Russian because, it is surmised by Artmstrong, that he was born in that part of the world and was brought here as a child, raised by the entity we know as "Marguerite" Oswald, while a different Marguerite was raising Lee Oswald, an American who was several inches taller than Harvey, had a hot temper (unlike Harvey), and the two Oswalds lead parrell lives, finally having said lives "merged" for what ever purposes our shadow government deemed useful. Harvey (falsely) "defected" and it was Harvey who was killed on 11/24/63.
Dawn
Dawn - this would be entirely consistent with an intelligence agency mind control operation.
There's much of interest in the DPF thread at the link below:
With regard to MK-ULTRA, fwiw I posted as follows:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Quote:"HARVEY" spent a lot of time with Timmer during the next two months of the summer of 1953. They went swimming at the reservoir and rode their bicycles at the city park. Timmer was impressed by this kid "from the big city" who talked of gang fights in New York City and of making weapons with razor blades stuck in potatoes. "Harvey" said he had been all over the country. "Harvey" carried a pamphlet in his back pocket and on one occasion showed it to Timmer and remarked, "I'll bet you've never seen anything like this". It was a pamphlet on Marxism. Where would he get such a pamphlet? From his father and his uncle, who were, according to the woman who spoke with Mrs. Tippit, "Hungarians and spent all of their time on Communist activities". These people may have acted like Communists, but in reality they were probably agents provocateur and their mission was to uncover and identify domestic Communists.
This is probably not relevant but there are several MKULTRA subprojects dealing specifically with "Hungarians".
As far as one can tell, these are to do with studies of refugees from the 1956 Hungarian Uprising - who were of course victims of a giant Radio Free Europe psyop which misfired horribly....
Anyway, probably random if the official story that these MKULTRA subprojects were based around events in 1956 is correct, but for the record:
Subproject 65: MKULTRA: Hungarian Refugees
Subproject 82: MKULTRA: Hungarian Refugees
Subproject 89: MKULTRA: Hungarian Repatriation
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