Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[David Josephs]

Can we close this idiotic thread? It's very sad that the threads that get all the posts are argumentative insulting bullcrap...

The point by the two fanatical "Jooos did it" "members"- (??- CD HAS a point here) -has been made over and over and over. Enough already.

This is turning into name calling and not the forum we envisioned.

I knowI am NOT the only one who feels this way.

Merci,
Dawn

Please excuse me for asking but aren't threads like TV channels... you don't like what's on one you turn the channel ?

Dawn, I feel like I got into a fist fight with Mark and am walking away friends of sorts... toothless and bloody but willing to hear him out a bit more than I did before this thread... (you know, grunt, man-stuff) :-)

Albert, well, just seems to be Albert. The "If I want your opinion I'll give it to you" type of poster. Where the idea of agreeing to disagree is simply not allowable.
So be it.

Am I going to wind up with the same level of responses if I start a Lee/Harvey thread?
Cause I gotta believe that's pretty DEEP.... and while I've had a great conversation with others on the subject, Sept/Oct/Nov 1958 in the Marines is very interesting stuff and not yet resolved (among many other things)

Cheers
DJ

[Charles Drago]

Go to the lengthy post #165 and note the uniquely different font size for the following paragraph ostensibly written by "Albert Doyle":

"David, once again, tries to draw the debate out into irrelevant, ruminating discussion of non-related assassination material. Pure evidence of his attempt to filibuster around the operative evidence. David, once again, doing a ballsy reversal of who is assuming the Lone Nut position here and denying the conspiracy evidence."

Could it be that "Albert," in his rush to copy and paste his ghostwriter's product onto the post, neglected to reconcile the difference?

[Charles Drago]

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Am I going to wind up with the same level of responses if I start a Lee/Harvey thread?

No, David.

We will not permit this EF-like situation to recur.

Please know that your posts are welcome and respected -- even by most of those who substantively disagree with you on these matters.

[Phil Dragoo]

There is a flash of spark in the back and forth between Mark and David which sheds light.

Earlier I found Albert to be consistently expressing that the failure to support the Piper elevation of Israel to status of sole sponsor was attributable to disappointing scores on the MENSA test (Mossad Exclusively Named as Sole Assassin).

I am not convinced but I have bookmarked Final Judgment: Mossad and Assassination.

A friend from Israel was trying to establish whether Jack Ruby had visited. In Piper it wasn't apparent, but the implication Ruby was Mossad was waved as a fan in a dance, not unlike the topic of Israel and China trafficking in nuclear weapons technology.

Just last night a young fellow of the generation continually amusing us on Leno's Man in the Street by failing to correctly identify any member of any administration as the years go by expressed his conviction LBJ did it.

I said fine, then read these three books (Zirbel, McClellan, Nelson) call this Morrow in Austin and have him talk your head off and then I'll tell you why I don't see it as a possibility.

Piper has his Israel, Morrow his LBJ, apparently North now veers into the Mob along with the Waldron cauldron bubble bubble Thom Heartburn trouble.

I sense that the impatience of "49 years!" drives what the English teacher quoted as "the foolish consistency . . . hobgoblin of little minds"--we don't need to be in such a rush to close doors--we should be opening doors.

Consider Dulles; was he playing tennis with buxom twins or taking a call from an earlier Vlad. He'd pooh pooh the threat of Hitler, get him a loan, abet his attempted assassination--what's an assassination here or there when the clients need to see some results--hire his spooks--and McCloy would place Klaus Barbie in witness protection doing a Marlene Dietrich tribute act in a club in Colonia Dignidad.

No one can read Unspeakable, and/or Breach, or any of a number of others, say, Russell's Man Who, and say there is no proof. Unless one means there is no proof of the official propaganda.

Treat yourself to the Barry Krusch steamroller treatment of the two shells, three shells, found, marked, not marked, not identified, sent to FBI in DC and Dallas PD at the same time, and lay it side by side with Oswald not in the place where Dunkel sells donuts--what if they had a theme park and the theme became extinct.

A word on lingo: the ad man advised they work in slogans, pints, quarts would be too much, the deluge of the perennial Riverdance following a pull quote is an effective lubricant to force the eye further down the page.

Is it resistance to the truth, something Jack Nicholson gave two minutes to American Rhetoric in A Few Good Men or is it eschewing the rerun of Niagara Arguments, "Nothing left of your point but one leg and a barrel stave"

Don't close it, please--that would (at the risk of being obvious) be granting the wish of a (hypothetical) disruptor.

[Magda Hassan]

A friend from Israel was trying to establish whether Jack Ruby had visited. In Piper it wasn't apparent, but the implication Ruby was Mossad was waved as a fan in a dance, not unlike the topic of Israel and China trafficking in nuclear weapons technology.

Yes, Ruby visited Israel. At least according to his CIA file. And all of their information is true and accurate and in full and in context....If you check page 84 of Dick Russell's Trail of the JFK Assassins has him in Tel Aviv on some union delegation sponsored by some Teamster. While there he is alleged to have met with some one (un named) from the Histradut. This is from his CIA file. While nothing is mentioned as to Mossad re Ruby the same file also has a Polish source as saying Ruby was high ranking NKVD...and that sounds totally reliable.... or not.....:flypig:Ted Rubenstein went to the Histradut when he was in Israel in the 70's to see if they had any thing on Ruby. It was an contemporary article in Rolling Stones which sent Ted off to check with the Histradut to see what they had. According to Ted "They gave me about 5 min of their time but told me it probably was of no significance and they couldn't help clarify the connection" So, a definite maybe. Perhaps.

[Mark Stapleton]

Can we close this idiotic thread? It's very sad that the threads that get all the posts are argumentative insulting bullcrap...

The point by the two fanatical "Jooos did it" "members"- (??- CD HAS a point here) -has been made over and over and over. Enough already.

Excuse me?

Big fan of censorship are you?

I can't speak for Albert but you might like to refrain from the insults you are hurling my way, unless you want me to return serve.

[Charles Drago]

I want to keep this thread open.

But threats -- explicit or implicit -- will not be tolerated.

Got it, Mark?

[Mark Stapleton]

I want to keep this thread open.

But threats -- explicit or implicit -- will not be tolerated.

Got it, Mark?

No I haven't 'got it' Charles.

If that member wants to continue calling me a 'Joos did it fanatic', then I will respond.

You're making a threat here yourself aren't you?

[Charles Drago]

Nah.

Just stating a fact.

[Mark Stapleton]

Nah.

Just stating a fact.

Me too.