Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[David Josephs]

... and the wheels on the bus go round and round....

Let me add "Albert" that I have not seen a single punch being withheld due to "the topic" being restrictive.

We all know that losing hurts "Albert", but must you sink so low as to attribute anti-semitism for the loss of this debate rather than your inferior abilities and your inabaility to provide supporting documentation?

You (plural) will continue to believe whateer it is you want... and you will continue to present a poorly contrusted argument for a poorly constructed book which ALSO relies upon anti-semitism for exposure and interest.
Standing on its own, Piper's work is no more reliable than Hersch's Camelot. And it gets worse once you begin to investigate the claims...

That the conversation has turned from an Israeli one to one focued on the identities of "Albert" is also no surprise...
Whenever a poster like "Albert" senses the loss of his debate... either the subject is changed, or as in this case, the posting takes on an air of deceit, thereby derailing our success in disproving Piper's assertions
and getting us caught up in the charade....

As others have said Charles... check the IP and be done with it. If there is a need for that much subterfuge with a handful of readers discussing Israel's role...
TO ME, that illustrates a desperation in a position that is truly remarkable.

Bottom line buys and girls... "Albert" and Mark do not make their case... Piper does not make his case.... at the end of the day, THAT'S all that matters.

Do Mark and "Albert" have horses in other races or is this all a one trick pony? All Israel all the time....

DJ

[Charles Drago]

As others have said Charles... check the IP and be done with it.
DJ

I'm going to try this one more time:

An IP address check has been done for the sake of thoroughness. "Doyle" appears to be posting from Florida. Fetzer posts from Minnesota.

Which proves absolutely NOTHING of value to the issue at hand.

Again -- and for the LAST time -- nothing stops a secret contributor from e-mailing material to the historic "Albert Doyle" so that the latter can copy, paste, and post it from "his" long-established IP address.

Got it, folks???

[Charles Drago]

I am now at liberty to reveal that analyses of the many posts on this thread made by "Albert Doyle" -- including forensic comparisons with earlier, unrelated "Doyle" posts on DPF and elsewhere -- are being conducted as we speak.

Let me be clear that the overriding issue here far transcends any duplicity by the "Albert Doyle" entity. We are investigating what may turn out to be a hostile penetration of this website. If such is the case, then the identities and agendas of those responsible should be of keen interest to all honest researchers of deep political events.

The perps may be nothing more dangerous than self-absorbed hobbyists playing at big boy games. Or they may be professional agents provocateur moving forward a sinister agenda.

There's a chance that our analyses may prove inconclusive.

And yes, the possibility exists that we may be wrong in our initial assessment. Perhaps "Albert Doyle" is nothing more or less than Albert Doyle, of the multiple literary personalities Doyles.

But such a possibility truly is remote.

To be continued.

[LR Trotter]

Thanks for the additional info Phil. It appears that "reasons" were tossed about in hopes that "one would stick" that could "benefit" his situation. And, as always, "benefit" is relative. But, I have to say, the Western Union story always sounded a little "untrue".
:phone:

[Mark Stapleton]

The perps may be nothing more dangerous than self-absorbed hobbyists playing at big boy games. Or they may be professional agents provocateur moving forward a sinister agenda.

And what on earth would that agenda be Charles? (cue the sinister theremin music)

[Greg Burnham]

The perps may be nothing more dangerous than self-absorbed hobbyists playing at big boy games. Or they may be professional agents provocateur moving forward a sinister agenda.

And what on earth would that agenda be Charles? (cue the sinister theremin music)

You tell us Marcus. You appear to indicate that you are in a much better position to know. (note his dripping sarcasm)

[Phil Dragoo]

Larry, Ruby is interesting.

A friend indicates Jack Ruby, perhaps at a time he was changing his name from Jacob Rubenstein, was dealing drugs in an Italian neighborhood of Chicago, and for this was exiled to Dallas, sparing his life, placing him in perpetual debt.

Rose Cheramie said he and Oswald were bedmates. Be that as it may, there was an indication on the day of the assassination that Oswald might've been trying to contact Ruby, either at his apartment, or in the Texas Theater.

Ruby was many places, more than the Warren (Dulles) Commission would allow.

Seth Kantor's book and testimony place him at Parkland where he may have planted CE 399 on the boy's stretcher.

It isn't at all likely that Ruby went down the ramp. Rather, a path was left open for him by Patrick Dean in charge of basement security and linked to Civello the Dallas Marcello boss.

There was some indication Ruby might've been mistaken for Nate Stein an agent from Hollywood used by Hoffa and Harold J. Gibbons as well as Sinatra.

Can we believe a government report Ruby was in Tel Aviv impersonating an NKVD officer?

Isn't that as credible as Frank Sturgis' charge Oswald was a KGB assassin?

In the extant discussion an author places Israel at the apex of the control pyramid over the assassination of the 35th president.

Donald Gibson, Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency, makes it clear Kennedy was opposed by the Rockefeller interests, the Wall Street Journal, the Luce press, while Prouty identifies the military-intelligence-business coterie.

Had there been no state of Israel in 1963 John Kennedy would have been murdered nonetheless.

One doesn't divert the business model from enormous war profits, premier drug sources, the banking status quo, the arms race, the practice of tying international loans to resource exploitation.

And one certainly does not threaten to smash the Agency into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.

John Roselli advised Jack Anderson Ruby was one of ours; we had him silence Oswald. That candor got Roselli canned.

He'd been enlisted by Harvey at Helms' behest. Ostensibly for Castro. Plausible denial, a two-track operation, a dopplebanger.

Then in 75, Hoffa and Giancana. 76 Roselli. 77 Nicoletti and DeMohrenschildt. Baddabing baddabang baddaboom.

Helms had ousted Nixon via Watergate, planting McCord, Sturgis, Hunt, Barker, et al on the team before Nixon sent him to Iran as Ambassador.

Nixon had formed the DEA in 1972 using CIA people to cut the Corsicans out of the heroin trafficking of Trafficante et al.

And we are in Smackistan.

The American people have a right to know their president is not a crook.

Somewhere over the rainbow that's true.

[Mark Stapleton]

The perps may be nothing more dangerous than self-absorbed hobbyists playing at big boy games. Or they may be professional agents provocateur moving forward a sinister agenda.

And what on earth would that agenda be Charles? (cue the sinister theremin music)

You tell us Marcus. You appear to indicate that you are in a much better position to know. (note his dripping sarcasm)

World domination. All other sinister agendas don't quite make the grade.

"Albert's" nearly there, don't you think?

[Mark Stapleton]

Larry, Ruby is interesting.

A friend indicates Jack Ruby, perhaps at a time he was changing his name from Jacob Rubenstein, was dealing drugs in an Italian neighborhood of Chicago, and for this was exiled to Dallas, sparing his life, placing him in perpetual debt.

It isn't at all likely that Ruby went down the ramp. Rather, a path was left open for him by Patrick Dean in charge of basement security and linked to Civello the Dallas Marcello boss.

Then in 75, Hoffa and Giancana. 76 Roselli. 77 Nicoletti and DeMohrenschildt. Baddabing baddabang baddaboom.

You're linking Ruby with the Italian Mafia. One problem--he wasn't Italian.

And that's a lot of Italian bosses (except for DeMohrenschildt) getting whacked at the end.

They're clearly not at the top of the food chain.

[Mark Stapleton]

Donald Gibson, Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency, makes it clear Kennedy was opposed by the Rockefeller interests, the Wall Street Journal, the Luce press, while Prouty identifies the military-intelligence-business coterie.

One doesn't divert the business model from enormous war profits, premier drug sources, the banking status quo, the arms race, the practice of tying international loans to resource exploitation.

The Zionist power players have fingers in all those pies. Postulating that a Zionist cabal was behind the assassination doesn't conflict with the fact that banking, armaments, and drug profits increased in the aftermath of Dealey Plaza. They're not mutually exclusive. Quite the opposite.