Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Mark Stapleton]

Mark,


There's no possible way Altgens shows Oswald in the doorway. I have to say Fetzer damages both himself and the community with his ridiculous defense of this. You should be very careful because such defense of Rago and Fetzer will only threaten your credibility towards Piper.

Albert I don't know whether he was in the doorway or not. Dealey Plaza reconstructions are difficult and time consuming and questions such as this don't get you any closer to JFK's killers anyway.

[David Josephs]

Mark,


There's no possible way Altgens shows Oswald in the doorway. I have to say Fetzer damages both himself and the community with his ridiculous defense of this. You should be very careful because such defense of Rago and Fetzer will only threaten your credibility towards Piper.

Albert I don't know whether he was in the doorway or not. Dealey Plaza reconstructions are difficult and time consuming and questions such as this don't get you any closer to JFK's killers anyway.

Oswald was right where he was seen by Carolyn Arnold and Mrs Reid... in the lunchroom.
I think her answers her give her away... without actually saying it.... just my hunch.

Mr. BELIN. All right. When you left the lunchroom, did you leave with the other girls?
Mrs. REID. No; I didn't. The younger girls had gone and I left alone.
Mr. BELIN. Were you the last person in the lunchroom?
Mrs. REID. No; I could not say that because I don't remember that part of it because I was going
out of the building by myself, I wasn't even, you know, connected with anyone at all.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.

Add to this the changin of his shirt.... CE1988 page 100 has Bookout telling us EXACTLY what he said he took off and where he put them...
The Inventory of items taken from Beckley lists a brown shirt and grey slacks and other misc clothing...

Oswald said he changed, Fritz wrote it and Bookout confirms it...

Unless Oswald had two of the exact shirts... there were two Oswalds leaving the DP area... one via Bledsoe/Whaley and one via a Rambler...
and the man in Altgens was NOT Oswald. Sadly.

DJ

[Greg Burnham]

Mark,


There's no possible way Altgens shows Oswald in the doorway. I have to say Fetzer damages both himself and the community with his ridiculous defense of this. You should be very careful because such defense of Rago and Fetzer will only threaten your credibility towards Piper.

Albert I don't know whether he was in the doorway or not. Dealey Plaza reconstructions are difficult and time consuming and questions such as this don't get you any closer to JFK's killers anyway.

Oswald was right where he was seen by Carolyn Arnold and Mrs Reid... in the lunchroom.
I think her answers her give her away... without actually saying it.... just my hunch.

Mr. BELIN. All right. When you left the lunchroom, did you leave with the other girls?
Mrs. REID. No; I didn't. The younger girls had gone and I left alone.
Mr. BELIN. Were you the last person in the lunchroom?
Mrs. REID. No; I could not say that because I don't remember that part of it because I was going
out of the building by myself, I wasn't even, you know, connected with anyone at all.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.

Add to this the changin of his shirt.... CE1988 page 100 has Bookout telling us EXACTLY what he said he took off and where he put them...
The Inventory of items taken from Beckley lists a brown shirt and grey slacks and other misc clothing...

Oswald said he changed, Fritz wrote it and Bookout confirms it...

Unless Oswald had two of the exact shirts... there were two Oswalds leaving the DP area... one via Bledsoe/Whaley and one via a Rambler...
and the man in Altgens was NOT Oswald. Sadly.

DJ

Rather than re-start the agonizing LHO on the TSBD steps debate fiasco (which would serve the obvious purpose of re-introducing Fetzer & Cinque into the fray), I will simply say: I don't know and find no compelling evidence that it was him. I do find collateral evidence indicating it was NOT him. I strongly tend to believe he was not there, but rather, he was where he said he was.

Have we come full circle? Will this debate be rehashed in yet a new thread? Perhaps the next supposition will conclude that Hemming, Hunt, Sturgis, Wilson, Lawrence, Braden and Vidal were all Jooz? Who knew?

[Seamus Coogan]

Rather than re-start the agonizing LHO on the TSBD steps debate fiasco (which would serve the obvious purpose of re-introducing Fetzer & Cinque into the fray), I will simply say: I don't know and find no compelling evidence that it was him. I do find collateral evidence indicating it was NOT him. I strongly tend to believe he was not there, but rather, he was where he said he was.

Have we come full circle? Will this debate be rehashed in yet a new thread? Perhaps the next supposition will conclude that Hemming, Hunt, Sturgis, Wilson, Lawrence, Braden and Vidal were all Jooz? Who knew?

Thats precisely how I feel as well.

[Magda Hassan]

Rather than re-start the agonizing LHO on the TSBD steps debate fiasco (which would serve the obvious purpose of re-introducing Fetzer & Cinque into the fray), I will simply say: I don't know and find no compelling evidence that it was him. I do find collateral evidence indicating it was NOT him. I strongly tend to believe he was not there, but rather, he was where he said he was.

Have we come full circle? Will this debate be rehashed in yet a new thread? Perhaps the next supposition will conclude that Hemming, Hunt, Sturgis, Wilson, Lawrence, Braden and Vidal were all Jooz? Who knew?

Thats precisely how I feel as well.

But Vidal Sasson was a Jew!!!

[Don Jeffries]

Try minding your own business. My "style" is my business. Your observations relevant to it are neither insightful nor helpful to me or anyone else whose reading comprehension skills are above the third grade level.

Why do you and your short bus comrades insist upon arguing that the ignorance in which you dwell so blissfully is universally shared?

Offensive enough for you? If not, I can ratchet it up a few notches.

For the second time -- at least -- the DPF is NOT "Charles' forum." I am one of four owners. I do NOT have "the right to run it the way want." I'm not sure how I can state these facts more clearly so as to penetrate your bliss. Perhaps a different post for each word would do the trick.

Finally (would that it were so), you might want to spend a few weeks studying the definitions of "imply" and "infer."

Sorry if I'm being overly critical ...

Charles, you are clearly incapable of even conceding that you might perhaps be wrong about anything. "Short bus comrades?" I was hoping your earlier juvenile slur was just a flippant, emotional defense mechanism. It appears you have no problem with using terms that are offensive to anyone who has ever had a loved one whom others would call "retard."

I don't really care what Albert Doyle thinks about any aspect of this case- he has been accused unfairly of being an imposter, and I will always speak up for someone in that situation. And Jim Fetzer's name is being unfairly dragged through the mud here, by inferences that he is posting under Doyle's name. I don't know why he doesn't defend himself, but he seems not be frequenting any forums nowadays, and I had to say that I think it's outrageous to make these kinds of wild accusations.

I apologize for thinking this was your forum. Regardless, anyone who reads these threads knows that Charles is in Charge here.

[Phil Dragoo]

Piper posits Israel/Mossad primacy in the assassination of John F. Kennedy

His proponents neither stipulate sponsorship, nor demonstrate facilitator

(Maybe Abe's Deli caters the midnight presser)

Israel, Mossad, Dimona, Echevarria, Ben-Gurion, Angleton, Ruby,

and Rudolph the Red-Nosed NKVD officer pull the slay in circles

While Oswald sits alone in the lunchroom eating his cheese sandwich

(Perhaps on Levy's)

[Mark Stapleton]

Perhaps the next supposition will conclude that Hemming, Hunt, Sturgis, Wilson, Lawrence, Braden and Vidal were all Jooz? Who knew?

You might want to use a little less of the childish and inflammatory terminology.

[Charles Drago]

Try minding your own business. My "style" is my business. Your observations relevant to it are neither insightful nor helpful to me or anyone else whose reading comprehension skills are above the third grade level.

Why do you and your short bus comrades insist upon arguing that the ignorance in which you dwell so blissfully is universally shared?

Offensive enough for you? If not, I can ratchet it up a few notches.

For the second time -- at least -- the DPF is NOT "Charles' forum." I am one of four owners. I do NOT have "the right to run it the way want." I'm not sure how I can state these facts more clearly so as to penetrate your bliss. Perhaps a different post for each word would do the trick.

Finally (would that it were so), you might want to spend a few weeks studying the definitions of "imply" and "infer."

Sorry if I'm being overly critical ...

Charles, you are clearly incapable of even conceding that you might perhaps be wrong about anything. "Short bus comrades?" I was hoping your earlier juvenile slur was just a flippant, emotional defense mechanism. It appears you have no problem with using terms that are offensive to anyone who has ever had a loved one whom others would call "retard."

I don't really care what Albert Doyle thinks about any aspect of this case- he has been accused unfairly of being an imposter, and I will always speak up for someone in that situation. And Jim Fetzer's name is being unfairly dragged through the mud here, by inferences that he is posting under Doyle's name. I don't know why he doesn't defend himself, but he seems not be frequenting any forums nowadays, and I had to say that I think it's outrageous to make these kinds of wild accusations.

I apologize for thinking this was your forum. Regardless, anyone who reads these threads knows that Charles is in Charge here.

Yawn.

Beep.

[Albert Doyle]

I must be doing something right because Colby called me an anti-semite and Rago wants a piece of me. I don't want to become an EF vs DPF pawn because, frankly, I must admit I'm a lightweight in this field amongst many of the most researched. I just wanted to discuss the credible material in Piper that I think is being denied to the detriment of the full assassination knowledge that is the professed goal of many of those who are doing the denial. I disagree that evidence of facilitation has not been shown. In my opinion the best evidence for it is the irrational reaction and categorical avoidance shown by those who oppose it. Look at the banks gentlemen. The old story of power follows money holds true. - I won't disparage this forum because I believe its members are some of the best and most of the material is very valuable in the understanding of the Deep Politics that best define these things. I just disagree on Piper.