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I've just finished all episodes in this epic series.
This should be in every classroom in every school. It really leaves you to ponder and think rather than pushing it's own agenda or conclusion onto you.
Churchill is painted in our classrooms as a hero, a saviour and a legend who won us the war. But in truth he was an odious little turd with enough blood on his hands to drown himself a million times over.
It would be great if someone like Gary Oldman would make a "The untold history of the United Kingdom"!
My only criticism (If I had to draw one) would be that I got bored of Stones' lifeless voice towards the end, but nevertheless it's a great series. Highly recommended.
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"...in truth he was an odious little turd with enough blood on his hands to drown himself a million times over".
And that was just Gallipoli when he was exiled for a while back home.
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Danny Jarman Wrote:I've just finished all episodes in this epic series.
This should be in every classroom in every school. It really leaves you to ponder and think rather than pushing it's own agenda or conclusion onto you.
Churchill is painted in our classrooms as a hero, a saviour and a legend who won us the war. But in truth he was an odious little turd with enough blood on his hands to drown himself a million times over.
It would be great if someone like Gary Oldman would make a "The untold history of the United Kingdom"!
My only criticism (If I had to draw one) would be that I got bored of Stones' lifeless voice towards the end, but nevertheless it's a great series. Highly recommended.
Danny - agreed on the substance.
Sadly, this series will be shown in no classrooms in the western world, and its history will remain suppressed and untold.
As for Stone's delivery, I don't particularly like it either. I suspect he needed someone tougher in the booth to push him, challenge him a bit more about his intonation.
However, there's a documentary grammar problem. The series was conceived and marketed as "Oliver Stone's Untold History", so it's an "authored history", and Stone pretty much has to narrate it.
Just as Adam Curtis narrates his own authored documentaries.
Hiring some actor to read the commentary would be a substantial breach of the documentary grammer.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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I still have chants of "WE WANT WALLACE!" echoing in my head.
How things could have been different...
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Danny Jarman Wrote:I still have chants of "WE WANT WALLACE!" echoing in my head.
How things could have been different...
Yes indeed. A second Bill of Rights. Free health care, pensions, housing education. But Dulles and company put an end to that. Amazing to see the wheels set in motion against him.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Keith, Jim, Kara, Tracy - many thanks for your posts.
So, to all our American members, is it correct that rather than engaging with Oliver Stone's magnificent Untold History, MSM has chosen to ignore it?
To pretend that Stone's series doesn't exist whilst reporting extensively on every twitch of a celebrity skirt and every misdemeanour of an overpaid athlete?
Jan: The US has reached such a deplorable state that this is in fact what passes for news. Of course Stone is ignored.
MSM already marginalized him pre-JFK. Prior to its release. I don't recall tv media saying a word but much of print media trashed this film
as lies and propaganda. Never bothering to mention that it was largely based on the true life experiences of Jim Garrison's efforts at justice.
As time passes MSM just gets worse. But I suspect that this was always the plan. "Give the people what (we think) they want".
Truth be damned. Thank God for so much alternative media. Alas, most ignore that too.
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Where is it available in the US? I tried to get it on Netflix. No luck.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:Where is it available in the US? I tried to get it on Netflix. No luck.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqro8_...rch_algo=2
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Danny Jarman Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Where is it available in the US? I tried to get it on Netflix. No luck.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqro8_...rch_algo=2
THANK YOU!
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I recently bought the series on DVD. I've only watched the Prelude episodes (1900-1940), but they were excellent. A really devastating and sad account of imperialism and tyranny from all the major powers during a time which most people think of as "the good old days."
