https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/fi...-00-en.pdf

The Education Forum has posted Mort Sahl's 1966 interview with Victoria Adams...Adams goes over her main witnessing in the hour and a half interview...

In the interview Adams confirms that she and Styles bolted from the windows almost immediately after the shots...

Interestingly at the end Adams says she saw Lovelady by the elevators when she got down to the 1st Floor...This is in contradiction to what she told Barry Ernest...

The way to look at this is Adams came directly from the spook Mecca of San Diego with its Navy enclave and ONI home ground when she gave this interview in 1966...It is obvious that Adams was gotten to and she is lying that she saw Lovelady...Probably to please her husband...She couldn't have seen Lovelady because Lovelady had too much ground to cover going around the west side of the Depository and back in...

We know she is lying because if you examine the entire interview Adams says that she believes Oswald shot Kennedy from the 6th Floor but then gives information that details how it was impossible for Oswald to have ran down from the 6th Floor and her not see or hear him...Only the best researchers like myself detect subtle clues like this and what Adams is doing is sending a message in her delivery that she is being forced to lie...If Adams openly says Oswald shot JFK from the 6th Floor but then spends an hour and a half explaining why what she witnessed made that impossible, common sense tells you she is sending a loud and clear message that she is being forced to lie that she saw Lovelady...If you listen closely Adams says she had a two floor jump on Oswald...What she is really saying, without saying it directly, is that Dorothy Garner would have been the one to see Oswald and she never did...Elsie Dorman proved the timing of the negro workers descending to the 4th Floor after witnessing Baker arrive on the 5th Floor in synch with the Lunch Room Encounter and Mrs Garner's witnessing...In this 1966 interview Adams confirms that Elsie Dorman saw the negro workers arrive on the 4th Floor in synch with Truly & Baker's claimed timing...We know Adams is lying about Lovelady because Lovelady himself refused to say he saw the girls...

Adams confirms in this interview that she and Styles bolted from the windows within 8 seconds of the shots...Do the math...She said they ran down the stairs fast...What this tells you is Adams and Styles squeaked out ahead of Truly & Baker on the 1st Floor and never saw Lovelady & Shelley either:




https://blackopradio.com/archives2023.html

One of the worst troll dens on the internet is closing shop and shutting down...

Greg Parker is decommissioning his "ReOpenKennedyCase" website and making it read-only...

This is great news and will improve Kennedy research quality overnight...

One of the worst Kennedy Assassination troll farms will no longer exist and will no longer damage good research...

Greg Parker and his make it up as he goes along compulsive Kennedy evidence hacking will no longer be capable of damaging good research and that fool Jim DiEugenio will not be able to give it positive reference...

Real credible researchers never quit...Greg will join the bogus character Sean Murphy in thankfully disappearing from view and hopefully Greg's trolls on the Education Forum will no longer be able to promote Parker's garbage...Hopefully Parker will drop dead...

Bart Kamp, one of the most notorious punks and research-damagers, will justly have his venue taken from him in a pure act of justice...Kamp is the sole reason why Prayer Man already be proven to be Sarah Stanton is ignored...All so the clique can enforce their idiotic level of internet mob research and support their favorites at the expense of the best research...This group has kept grossly unqualified moderators in power and irreparably harmed JFK Assassination research...They have literally prevented the case from being cracked with that fool DiEugenio's approval...

These people and the trolls that populate that site are contagion and may they sink to the hell they deserve...

Jim DiEugenio recently appeared on "The Loser's Club" podcast to criticize Stephen King's production that showed Oswald shooting Kennedy from the 6th Floor...Jim participated in an hour and half program that listed the evidence King ignored in order to come to his faulty conclusion...

Part way through the show Jim told of Victoria Adams and her not seeing Oswald on the stairs and criticized King for ignoring it...

In his description of Victoria Adams' witnessing DiEugenio told the host that Adams and Styles ran from the windows as soon as the limousine disappeared under the triple underpass...This was correct and it was 8 seconds after the shots...From there Jim went on to describe how Mrs Garner saw Truly & Baker appear on the 4th Floor staircase landing immediately after Adams & Styles descended...

The problem with this is Jim DiEugenio stupidly endorses Bart Kamp's false belief that the 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter never happened...However DiEugenio fails to realize that he just endorsed evidence that forces the 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter to be real...Jim is a political bastard and this is his Achilles Heel...Jim is excellent at book-sourced research and one of the best in the business, however he has weird paradox of having a moron level ability at abstract analysis...Jim doesn't detect that for him to admit that Adams & Styles dashed from the 4th Floor windows 8 seconds after the shots, and that Mrs Garner saw Truly & Baker emerge as the first people after Adams & Styles, is tantamount to admitting that Truly & Baker passed the 2nd Floor Lunch Room at the time of the Lunch Room Encounter...What this shows is that Jim doesn't really believe Bart Kamp's bullshit about the 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter not happening...Jim endorses Kamp not out of evidentiary accuracy and rigor but out of a loyalty to mob-like packs of researchers...As Richard Gilbride correctly put in his recent post - Jim DiEugenio is not to be trusted...He offers moron-level fatal conflicts in his claims and enforces them with crony moderators who, like Jim, don't bother to pay attention to the details of what is being discussed...Jim doesn't pay attention to what he writes...He endorses Kamp in public but then cites material that refutes Kamp and doesn't notice the difference...

Jim gets away with this because he has a loyal set of moderators on the JFK internet who betray normal research standards and back anything he posts...Even though those moderators say they are beholden to rigor and good research they lie and they are just approving of anything that Jim posts...They are enforcing an insider's club (Loser's Club)...Those moderators are beneath low and they have now reached a point where you can publicly disprove them and they are arrogant enough to not answer...Even worse they offer the teenage girl level of input of giving your correct evidence an automatic one star review even though by doing that they are only proving your point even more...JFK research has reached a new low because of Mr DiEugenio and his implied demand for loyalty...Peer Review and credible moderation are in the toilet...

Does Jim come in to these threads and answer for himself?...No...Jim is above that...But it doesn't really matter because Jim knows he will get an automatic ruling in his favor no matter how badly he contradicts himself...No matter how many notorious trolls he backs at the expense of good researchers who get banned because of him...No matter how much good evidence gets ignored...The commonly accepted definition of what Jim does is known as "Intellectual Dishonesty" or "Cowardice"...

Watch Mark Knight, Sandy Larsen, and James Gordon enforce banning against the guy who disproved DiEugenio and ignore Jim's fatal conflicts while referring to themselves as serious moderators...Nowhere will any of the clique members call Jim out on the fact Adams & Styles bolting from the windows 8 seconds after the shots, and Mrs Garner seeing Truly & Baker as the first people after Adams & Styles (as Jim admits), necessitates Truly & Baker passing the Lunch Room at the time of the Lunch Room Encounter...

Jim should not beat himself up coming in here to honestly straighten it out and find the truth to keep innocent researchers from being banned because of him...Jim, don't worry...We're all in this together and those things happen from time to time...It is because of our personal character as researchers that we cover each other for research's sake...It is heartening to see the research community's response...

https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.ne...oswald-iii

Alastair Crooke gives an in depth analysis of the context of the attack and much more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSh0TW3os0

Because JFK research is mainly decided by an incestuous network of friends and not academic rigor charlatans like Bart Kamp not only go unchallenged - but they and their garbage research actually get strong support...Here is a perfect example of podcast host Alan Dale hosting Kamp in an uncritical, obsequious way where Kamp's faulty claims go unaddressed...These people build off each other...Dale promotes Kamp and his garbage research and in turn avoids exposure over the fact Dale is all form no substance...And in reciprocation Kamp is allowed to avoid the evidence that refutes him...A similar model happens on JFK websites where the moderators and members practice the same corruption while avoiding accounting for their faulty material...Dale is getting away with the murder of pretending none of our evidence that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton exists and Kamp is helping him...You are looking at how the Prayer Man theory got legs, and it wasn't by means of credible analysis:




 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAA2yoaxKjI&t=1s




My comment in the You Tube video comments section:


People like Alan Dale, Rob Clark, and Ed Opperman are responsible for seriously misleading the public by hosting Bart Kamp in a fawning, obsequious, uncritical way...As the researcher who has refuted Kamp and his ridiculous Prayer Man theory it is painful to see host after host treating the notorious Kamp this way and refusing to challenge him with the evidence I have proven...You will never see Kamp appear anywhere where there is an opposition or he is asked to confront the refuting evidence...He is always presented by himself on formats where there is no counter evidence...At 49 minutes Kamp makes a Freudian slip by mentioning "chronology"...The reason it is a Freudian slip is because Mr Kamp is very aware that the chronology of the Fritz, Bookhout, and Hosty notes all start at the Lunch Room Encounter 90 seconds after the shots...Fritz made this clear when he added the detail "When Officer Came In"...So Kamp is intentionally misleading the public when he mis-states that "Went Outside To Watch Presidential Parade" means at the time of the shots...The context from the notes clearly designates that passage occurs several minutes after the shots after the Lunch Room Encounter and it is Hosty saying it not Oswald...You will never see Bart Kamp publicly mention that James Hosty told Nigel Turner, with emphasis, "Oswald told us he was alone in the Lunch Room during the assassination"...Any researcher who isn't mainly interested in boyishly supporting Bart Kamp in a cheerleading manner, who pays attention to the facts Bart brags about (but doesn't practice himself), would instantly realize that the reason Hosty did not include that admission in his notes is because he knew it was Oswald's true location and exonerated him...The reason why Hosty didn't say which Lunch Room is because he knew it was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and he didn't want to perjure himself...Fritz told the Commission outright that Oswald told him he was eating a cheese sandwich and apple in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...Bart never asks himself why Hosty did not include Oswald admitting he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room in his notes because he knows it refutes the Prayer Man theory...A credible researcher like myself then takes Hosty's admission that Oswald was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and realizes Fritz's, Bookhout's, and Hosty's notes all have a glaring gap where they removed it and that is why all 3 start at the Lunch Room Encounter - because they clumsily removed Oswald telling them he was in the Lunch Room right before...Prayer Man is also visibly 5 foot 4 when compared to Frazier...Sarah Stanton was 5 foot 4...Bart Kamp and his gang of thugs have gotten me banned from the JFK internet all for the crime of solving the scenario in the Depository and its Warren Commission cover-up...He's no hero...

While the production values of this presentation are excellent the content is disgustingly deceptive...Kamp has no respect for the people who paid to go to the Conference and is knowingly lying to them...This presentation is a dishonest exercise in evidence avoidance from beginning to end...Kamp is well aware that there is evidence to refute most of what he claims in this video:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd2lJ4Yef40





I posted this comment in the comments section of Kamp's video but it disappeared shortly after:



This video is an overt exercise in avoiding evidence...What the average unsuspecting viewer doesn't realize is how much counter evidence Bart Kamp is intentionally omitting in order to deliberately misinform...A person who possesses the technical skill to make such a presentation as this one is a person who is quite capable of showing the evidence that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Kamp is well aware of the evidence but he deliberately with-holds it...Mr Kamp is not showing the viewers the enhancement of the Wiegman Film done by Chris Davidson where Sarah Stanton's face was seen on Prayer Man...It is quite obvious to those who have studied this subject that the reason Kamp doesn't show the Davidson Enhancement is because he knows it shows Stanton's face on Prayer Man...Another important piece of visual evidence Kamp dishonestly with-holds is the recent discovery of a woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man in Darnell...The clearly-seen woman's neckline in Darnell is corroborating proof of the Davidson Enhancement that also proves Prayer Man is Stanton...Kamp is quite capable of showing the public that woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man in Darnell...He doesn't because he knows it refutes his Prayer Man claim...Mr Kamp is not telling the truth about Sarah Stanton or Pauline Sanders' location on the steps...Sanders was found in between Shelley & Lovelady in the Altgens 6 image which placed her to the east of the glass door up against the divider like she told the Commission and not down the steps where Kamp falsely places her...Again, the level of technical expertise Kamp offers in this video gives no excuse for Kamp not showing the viewers Sanders in between Shelley & Lovelady in Altgens...The reason Kamp is avoiding showing that image is because he knows it refutes what he is claiming...As for Stanton, Lovelady placed Stanton next to him in the Prayer Man spot when the limousine passed the front steps...Kamp doesn't use his technical expertise to show you Gloria Calvery on the steps in Darnell...The reason he doesn't is because any showing of Calvery climbing the front steps in Darnell would calibrate the scene being shown in Darnell with Buell Frazier's statement that Sarah Stanton turned to him to tell him what Calvery had shouted...Very simply, Prayer Man is facing forward towards the motorcade in Wiegman...Darnell shows Prayer Man as having pivoted towards Frazier exactly like Frazier described Stanton as doing at the time...Counter to what Kamp falsely claims, Buell Frazier did describe who was in the Prayer Man spot when he described Stanton's actions in response to Gloria Calvery shouting "The president has been shot"...Frazier didn't quite catch what Calvery shouted so he looked at Stanton with a puzzled look and Stanton turned towards him and said "I think she said the president has been shot"...This is exactly what you see Prayer Man doing in between Wiegman and Darnell when Prayer Man pivots towards Frazier...You can see Frazier describe this in interviews that Kamp forgot to mention...The JFK research community has yet to recognize that it has another Cinque amongst them...Prayer Man was proven to be Sarah Stanton 7 years ago when Davidson showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man in Wiegman...

https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.ne...-oswald-bs

The existing Alt.Conspiracy.JFK Google group got buggy and sent some members to an endless Captcha link making them unable to post...So I created this new one:



https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/altconspiracyjfk