At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds

[John Bevilaqua]

I think it is just idle dreamers and naive amateurs who still believe that there is something remaining, hiding in some deep hidden archive which will reveal the identities of the conspirators. Like some sort of "smoking document" or whatever. Dream on. The investigative methodologies employed by those like James Richards, Dick Russell, Mae Brussel and Bill Turner as well as myself seem to produce the most accurate results. You have to talk with real people, and take their evidence with a very jaundiced eye and then put it together with others who can offer REAL first person evidentiary tidbits.

I am quite certain that Peter's suggestion was meant with the best of intentions and I know for a fact that his long research in these areas is worthy of the best of us.

I am also a fan of Prouty for all sorts of reasons. This thread is not the place to air these sorts of remarks, I think.

I feel we must all be very mindful of how we word our posts so as not to cause unwitting offense.

John: Perhaps no smoking gun per se, but many researchers have unearthed invaluable nuggets via the hundereds of thousands of documents released pursuant to the formation of the Assassinations Records Review Board (AARB). David Talbot and James Douglas found much to aid them in their respective books Brothers and JFK and The Unspeakable. James Bamford, (Body Of Secrets) uncovered the bombshell Operation Northwoods. So I must take issue with you regarding the JFK assassination documents. Perhaps we will never learn the identies of exactly who ordered the hit, but we can make some very educated guesses. More importantly, I believe, is to understand "why he died and why it matters". Douglas' work answers that question once and for all, imho.

Besides if there was nothing of value in the hidden records why lock them up for seventy five years to begin with?
Dawn

All those books are very excellent titles which contributed much background and ancillary information on the JFK case. I just personally prefer the approach of either James Richards, myself or others which involves talking to SOFs and principals in the case who were in a position to know a whole lot straight from the source. His suspects list released about 12-15 years ago matched that of E. Howard Hunt almost perfectly. Now either Howard just parroted the Richards list of front line operatives or they both developed the same list independently and almost contemporaneously.

And that just covered the ground level operational level without any attention paid to the middle tiers and the upper tiers. E.H. Hunt and Richards have been unable to penetrate the hierarchy of the next levels and quite frankly their storm troopers and SOFs don't even know who was at those levels because it was done on a need to know basis only.

Only the usage of an analysis of the Before-the-fact and the After-the-fact reported incidents which involved accidental eavesdropping and fortuitous or gratuitous verbal slip-ups can provide that type of insight IMHO into the middle tier. Almost all of these incidents involved either Army Intel, the Shickshinny Knights of Malta, Eugenicists, anti-Castro Cuban exiles or John Birchers in fact and yet they all remains under-analyzed.

And the upper tier requires proof of means, motive, and opportunity and the wherewithal including proof of suspicious and surreptitious enormous cash flows up front and after the fact, money laundering trails into the South Florida SOFs and the incidents with the Bank of Maryland reported by one of their former Trust Officers with The Boston Metals Processing Company Account in Baltimore, MD which continued apparently well into Iran-Contra money laundering. That requires independent corroboration of money laundering form willing and witting accomplices from a bona fide Iran-Contra whistle blower and I have that too.

And James Richards was finally able to confirm all the facts proffered by the Bank of Maryland Trust Officer about the identity of the CIA bagman, the name of the CIA proprietaries and the majority stockholders and officers of these proprietaries. This info also led me to discover the role of Baldt Anchor and Chain Company in Chester, PA in decades of truly "patriotic" high finance and scrap metal conversion through 2 World Wars, which later became hijacked by rogue CIA agents to be used for Iran-Contra money laundering after its use in the JFK assassination and other events of major importance where normal funding could not be obtained.

The top level was the toughest and it involved not only the major Eugenics families in the USA like the Bushes, the Farishes, the Grays and the Drapers but also their official henchmen and ex-Generals at the Armed Services Committee at the Shickshinny Knights of Malta consisting mostly of arch-Catholic John Birchers with a flair for Fascism and Nazism and a penchant for associating with the White Russian, Ravanchiste ex-Czarist Fascists like Vonsiatsky, Stetsko and de Mohrenschildt who were intricately tied into various Manchurian Candidate mind control and programmed assassination training programs in Manchuoko.

Of course you would need the co-operation of the Dallas based Cabell brothers to handle the parade route and the Dallas P.D. and that entire end of things out of the Mayor's office as well.

Bottom line was that almost everyone involved had been summarily fired, ruined, ridiculed or remonstrated by either Truman or JFK at one time or the other or they were considered rogue agents running their own operations: Otto F. Otepka in the passport office who was Oswald's travel agent and was fired by Dean Rusk and JFK, Allen Dulles on the Warren Commission who was fired by JFK, Charles Willoughby and Douglas MacArthur who were fired by Truman and Dean Acheson, Gen. Charles Cabell who was fired by JFK as a traitor, Cord Meyer who was summarily replaced in the marital bedroom by JFK. The list just goes on and on and on. All of them had very personal and very private reasons for turning into the equivalent of retaliatory and vengeful right wing shooting gallery gang-bangers on a mission. All they needed was some front money from Wickliffe Draper and from The Boston Metals Processing Company and the silent nods from the brothers Dulles, and the vote of a few Senators like James Eastland, J. Strom Thurmond, John Tower, Everett Dirksen, Barry Goldwater, etc. and the clock started ticking on the moment of denouement. The rest is history.

Can the same results be produced in the same timeframe by sifting through the remaining short list of stale and redacted documents hoping to find some little nuggets buried in cobwebs and layers of accumulated dust? I think the answer should be obvious. Was the John Birch Society, SKOM, The American Security Council, The Liberty Lobby or the Anti-Bolshevik Nations dumb enough to leave trails of evidence to be sifted through by researchers? Of course not. Would the CIA or Army Intel or ONI, or DISC or the DIA leave anything of incriminating value around, assuming it was ever put into writing in the first place? No. Of course not.

Can we afford to reveal every detail of every secret or top secret document ever written and placed into the archives of every intelligence agency? No, because that would delight every single anarchist, every foreign agent, every single enemy of the people, every foreign spy and everyone and anyone whose interests are incontrovertibly inimical to those of the USA whether they be domestic or foreign, with or without US Citizenship, and with or without their rabies shots and pedigree papers and bona fides being checked? I really doubt it. Why would anyone think that this is a great idea anyway?

The argument that anything hidden or locked away from accessibility or view must by definition contain something which is either suspicious, illegal, banned, immoral or incriminating is similar to the approach usually taken by beat cops after stopping someone for a traffic violation.

Cop: "Do you mind if I search through that stuff in your car?"

Driver: "Why! Of course I do! It is none of your business."

Cop: "Why, is there something illegal in there like drugs or alcohol or something stolen or incriminating in there?"

Driver: "Of course not. That's a really dumb question."

Cop: "So why can't I take a look?"

Driver: "Cause there is nothing there, and I am saving you the time and the effort and saving taxpayer money, too. Plus you don't have enough probable cause or a search warrant either and I have to take a wicked wizz real bad."

Cop: "Never mind."

This "Inquisitive or Pushy Traffic Cop" argument sounds exactly like the same arguments offered by some regarding the availability of secreted or secluded historical documents.

And quite frankly I would not respond favorably to that approach either.

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