03-01-2011, 08:29 PM
What a greeting for a new member!
Even before I discovered that the debate which started on the Education Forum, then moved to JFK Lancer (where a copy of the Green Review had also been posted) had moved on to its third venue, the level of invective for me and my book reached dizzying heights:
The Trashing of Seymour Hersh
Last week I posted the same response on Lancer that I originally wrote for EF and awaited further "dialog" on there. After it became apparent that DiEugenio had picked up his marbles and left, I then stumbled across the fact that it had then resumed on DPF. The reason for the latest shift in venue may never be known, but it may have something to do with Mr. DiEugenio's conduct at that forum when it became clear that his lies about Seymour Hersh had caught up with him. This was all explained in the original post of my response to the Green "review" by Jim Fetzer, who kindly posted a copy of those responses. I will not go into detail about them here again (see post #22 for specifics, particularly the second, "Appendix" part) however, I cannot understand why he would continue to argue that Hersh was a CIA stooge (Ref. Post #1 above), given that I have already demonstrated the falsity of that assertion.
This continuing, shameless character assassination of one of the foremost heroes of our time is disgusting. Seymour Hersh exposed the gruesome details of the March, 1968 carnage at My Lai in a blockbuster news report on November 12, 1969, shortly after Calley was arrested. It had taken that long for the news to leak out because of the cover-up within the military. By August, 1970, after further investigating the incident, Hersh reported in a New York Times article, that the massacre was part of a larger campaign of the CIA called Operation Phoenix. For this remarkable accomplishment in exposing the awful truths, Seymour Hersh established his bona-fides as a great investigative reporter, one who learned his craft from his famed mentor, I. F. "Izzy" Stone, another great and honorable man working at the edges of a machine quite capable of destroying those who attempt to expose its secrets.
Instead of giving up and apologizing for his mistake, now DiEugenio wants to perpetuate the myth of Seymour Hersh being a CIA asset on a completely new forum rather than admit that Hersh has been exposing the most sordid and deadly activities of the CIA:
Seymour Hersh was a genuine American hero then and he still is now, regardless of the specious and outrageous lies perpetrated by DiEugenio. In 1969, he alone proved that he had the brass cojones to stand up to the military intelligence machine that took us to war and exposed the most horrid story of that unbelievably insane point in time. Most rational and objective people would put him at the head of the list if asked to vote on for the single best example of a real swashbuckling iconoclast, as opposed to a "wannabe" version like Mr. DiEugenio, who can safely hide behind the walls of various organizations which condone his "untruths".
So in this instance, here we have an organization supposedly interested in exposing truths about the "dark side" of an invisible government warmly accepting into their fold someone who is not above crafting the most outrageous lies about a true hero. His bringing those distortions directly into this forum and continuing to denigrate Hersh's accomplishments by accusing him of being a part of the very organization at the center of the "Deep Politics" conundrumthe very one that Hersh has worked so hard to investigate and exposeconstitutes a huge injustice to a true and great American hero. "Disgraceful" is an understatement and does not nearly describe such drivel.
Webster definition of "Mastermind": "a person who supplies the directing or creative intelligence for a project" Can you say "ambiguous"? Nothing there about "controlling every single detail" of the "project" that I can see. Hell, given that definition, a person who only had the original germ of an ideaand then had nothing whatsoever to do with its executioncould still qualify.
It seems that most of the invective directed by folks on this board to the book relates to my use of the word "Mastermind." This is a term that I (apparently mistakenly) thought the book itself, in roughly 700 pages, would define. The parameters of Johnson's involvement described in every chapter of the book defined his participation in the plot to kill John F. Kennedy. In case anyone missed it, I defined his participation in the event as beginning in 1958, two years before the presidential election. I will not use my limited time here to explain all of that; if anyone needs to understand that he or she will need to review at least chapter 5, preferably the entire book if its not too much trouble.
It has been asserted here that Johnson was not equipped or empowered to have been the "Mastermind". The problem seems to have more to do with semantics than anything substantive with the plot I have advanced. Why is it so difficult for so many to be unable to comprehend that the term is inherently ambiguous and subject to the interpretation of every individual who considers it. At Deep Politics, there seems to be an unwillingness to even acknowledge any definition other than their own, which is "by definition" (see above) misguided. And incorrect. And simply wrong, not to put too fine a point on it.
For clarification purposes, I will once again attempt to define and summarize what I meant by using that term: LBJ, set out in 1958-59 to put himself into the office of vice-president of the United States; in so doing, he forfeited any idea of actually running for the presidency at that time. He did this because he saw it as his only path into the presidency itself, in accordance with his self-defined destiny, at a time and place to be determined. Once he became vice president, he began sabotaging practically every domestic and international initiative advanced by JFK as he collaborated with his associates and other high officials within the military and intelligence organizations of the U.S. government. Between 1961 and 1963, as a result of numerous, repeated incidents as outlined in the book his relationship with a number of these military and intelligence officials grew greater, and tighter, just as JFK's deteriorated to a point that many of them decided that his presidency presented too many risks to what they perceived as the "national security" of the United States.
No one knows for sure, of course, precisely how all of these relationships evolved and when the planning for the assassination commenced; precise timelines and detailed assassination plans cannot be established because none of these "understandings" were ever committed to paper. My contention is that Johnson was the original initiator because, by definition, the "invisible government" which Mr. Drago evidently sees as the single and unique sponsor of the event could not possibly have been thrown into gear until at least after the election and probably not really until a number of Kennedy's "sins" (e.g. BOP, Cuban missile crisis, nuclear arms treaty, "Peace Speech" etc., etc.) had been committed.
My book goes to some lengths to describe the evolution of some of the relationships between Johnson and the members of the "invisible" force; this description is not located on any single page or sets of pages, but appears throughout the book. Therefore, to understand how the book describes all of this, one must, of course, read the book. One such referencewhich explains, again, why Johnson was not involved in the more detailed tasks such as arranging for the pristine bullet (CE 399)appears on page 368:
Insofar as I have explained all of this over and over until I'm now literally "blue in the face" to no avail, I cannot see the point in going further. Perhaps Jim is right and my critics have not even bothered to read the book! But no more; after this, at least on this forum, you may continue picking the bones off the carcass that I leave behind (this post) just like other forms of vultures do in the "real world", but I do not intend to continue repeating myself merely because you are not willing to consider what I have already explained, repeatedly and ad nauseum.
Contrary to the strident and spurious charges that the book "ignores" the national security state, it actually addresses this issue directly and, if I may say so, quite thoroughly, in the context of its interface with the main perpetrator. That is why the book is over 700 pages long; Mr. Green felt that was way too long and that it should be shortened to 200 pages, evidently because he skipped over the very material he also said was missing. I am not the only one who saw the absurdity of that argument, yet it has still not been acknowledged by either Mr. Green or his chief sponsor, who may actually know no better.
I think the real controversy is caused, as noted above, by the fact that the book focuses more on LBJ's involvement than it does on the institutional entity called "the national security state". While I admit that I could have changed this proportion, to be less LBJ oriented and more "national security state" oriented, I suppose certain people would have been more satisfied with the book. Had I done that, I could have then named the book a little less provocatively, something very benign like "LBJ: From Pawn to King". While some folks here might have been less antagonistic towards the book, it would have also probably been ruinous to it. At the very least, the book would have grown to be much larger than it is, which is already on the outer edges of what a book publisher will even consider. By citing other books which focused on the "national security" aspects of the cabal, I extended the book's reach accordingly; I even stated that Twyman's book, for one, was essentially incorporated into the book in its entirety by proxy, because this is one book which I have absolutely no disagreements with (other than that Twyman does not actually see LBJ as the "mastermind", only as its most critical and indispensible actor). It was essentially the same technique I used to embrace other books as well. For example, Gerald McKnight's book on the Warren Commission is a good case on point; if anyone wants to see the complete details of issues I only address tangentially, the point is, the full details are completely available within the other cited works.
More Misstatements:
DiEugenio noted on post #49: "Green writes that Nelson also propogates the whole RFK being in on MM's murder thesis." For the record, the following excerpt from the book explains that this is not true:
Conclusions:
Mr. Drago stated that "Hunt's absurdly transparent final fiction and Nelson's just plain absurd "hypothesis" both are intended -- in my educated opinion -- to prolong the JFK debate, reinforce the coverup, and protect the anonymity of the true Sponsors of Dallas and beyond."
This is the real sophistry which is clearly prevalent on this forum; it is transparently ridiculous and, if anything, the opposite of reality. It is the perpetuation of the idea that the only force that could have possibly been behind the assassination was this murky confluence of invisible--and only partially identifiedpeople that has itself perpetrated the cover-up of the crime. Maybe that's the objective of his dismissal of my book: to preserve the illusion that "the national security state" was responsible rather than actual human agents acting on their motives and beliefs.
That is the inevitable result of the creation of the ultimate "strawman": the one which insures that the assassination will never be solved. One result of that is the fact that a miniseries is about to be produced which re-postulates the very same "official story" that so few people even believe in. The people who subsequently remain unpersuaded by that fictional "entertainment" will then be offered up an equally ridiculous movie designed to convince them that it was all Fidel's doing. In the meantime, the real killers get yet another pass. Jim Fetzer in "Forrest Gump on the grassy knoll" recognizes the danger in those works of "entertainment" and has sought to warn the public about it. The armchair pundits at this forum prefer only to commiserate about how such shows don't reflect their singular culprit: the enigmatic "invisible government", which controls everyone and which will only be exposed if they continue their hand-wringing and the verbal combat with themselves in their tiny corner of cyberspace. Terrific, but count me out.
A logically thinking cynic, after absorbing the debate going on here, might even conclude that an organization which calls itself "Deep Politics Forum" might even resort to attacking any book that attempts to outline the only realistically plausible story of the assassination, simply because it does not comport with the premise upon which they exist. Moreover, following simple rules of logic, their real motive might even be more insidious and sinister; why would they mount such a colossal effort to keep the waters muddy and un-navigable? Could such an organization even "pull all the plugs" to destroy a book because of the perception that it is a threat to its own credibility or existence? Is it in the DPF's own interest to keep the lid on the most plausible story simply to preserve their own existence?
If all of this is so, then the inescapable conclusion is that this organization is not really wedded to the pursuit of truth. By logical extension, which I find very troubling, it appears difficult to deny that the DPF may exist for ulterior motives, a hidden agenda that only surfaces intermittently, as it seems to have done here.
Even before I discovered that the debate which started on the Education Forum, then moved to JFK Lancer (where a copy of the Green Review had also been posted) had moved on to its third venue, the level of invective for me and my book reached dizzying heights:
- "Neither he (Robert Morrow) nor Phillip Nelson demonstrate the slightest sophistication as thinkers or writers. The thoughtless -- if not sinister -- choice of the word "mastermind" as applied to LBJ reveals the total absence of deep political awareness/analytical thought"
- "Nelson's transparently disinformative book"
- "Nelson's two goals/assignments: Further factionalize the research community. The other, of course, is to fortify LBJ's FALSE Sponsorship role, and thus prolong the interminable debate and protect the true Sponsors."
- "Is Nelson an enemy agent of disinformation? A simple-minded executioner of the mother tongue?"
- "Nelson, Hunt, McClelland, and Estes are criminals -- in varying senses of the word. Their stock in trade? DISINFORMATION!"
- "I HAVE read Nelson's LBJ/"mastermind" book. It is an abomination in every sense of the word"
The Trashing of Seymour Hersh
Last week I posted the same response on Lancer that I originally wrote for EF and awaited further "dialog" on there. After it became apparent that DiEugenio had picked up his marbles and left, I then stumbled across the fact that it had then resumed on DPF. The reason for the latest shift in venue may never be known, but it may have something to do with Mr. DiEugenio's conduct at that forum when it became clear that his lies about Seymour Hersh had caught up with him. This was all explained in the original post of my response to the Green "review" by Jim Fetzer, who kindly posted a copy of those responses. I will not go into detail about them here again (see post #22 for specifics, particularly the second, "Appendix" part) however, I cannot understand why he would continue to argue that Hersh was a CIA stooge (Ref. Post #1 above), given that I have already demonstrated the falsity of that assertion.
This continuing, shameless character assassination of one of the foremost heroes of our time is disgusting. Seymour Hersh exposed the gruesome details of the March, 1968 carnage at My Lai in a blockbuster news report on November 12, 1969, shortly after Calley was arrested. It had taken that long for the news to leak out because of the cover-up within the military. By August, 1970, after further investigating the incident, Hersh reported in a New York Times article, that the massacre was part of a larger campaign of the CIA called Operation Phoenix. For this remarkable accomplishment in exposing the awful truths, Seymour Hersh established his bona-fides as a great investigative reporter, one who learned his craft from his famed mentor, I. F. "Izzy" Stone, another great and honorable man working at the edges of a machine quite capable of destroying those who attempt to expose its secrets.
Instead of giving up and apologizing for his mistake, now DiEugenio wants to perpetuate the myth of Seymour Hersh being a CIA asset on a completely new forum rather than admit that Hersh has been exposing the most sordid and deadly activities of the CIA:
". . .apparently Nelson never read Hersh's first book on My Lai, which predates the articles he notes. I did. In that book, he maintains a government cover up about what happened. As the months wore on, and it became obvious that Calley and the higher ups were being protected by the military and Nixon, even a stooge like Hersh understood the cover up could not be maintained."
So now, he maintains that Hersh wrote another book sometime before August of 1970 where he denies any CIA involvement. Please enlighten us, Jim, when was that book published and what was the name of it? Give us a quote from that one; you seem to be anxious to leave the previous lies about him behind you, back at those other two forums. This other book is news to me; I see no reference in all the materials I have checked. In that nine month period, evidently, he asserts that Hersh continued "protecting" the CIA and even published another book, which I cannot locate. Yet the record shows that it was the military and intelligence agencies who continued burying facts and deceiving the public. Even though Hersh did not acknowledge CIA sponsorship of the massacre during this nine month period, perhaps the reason was that he was still investigating it and had not yet been able to make an effective case; perhaps the delay was due to his merely using journalistic restraint and caution before coming out with still another important expose. Seymour Hersh was a genuine American hero then and he still is now, regardless of the specious and outrageous lies perpetrated by DiEugenio. In 1969, he alone proved that he had the brass cojones to stand up to the military intelligence machine that took us to war and exposed the most horrid story of that unbelievably insane point in time. Most rational and objective people would put him at the head of the list if asked to vote on for the single best example of a real swashbuckling iconoclast, as opposed to a "wannabe" version like Mr. DiEugenio, who can safely hide behind the walls of various organizations which condone his "untruths".
So in this instance, here we have an organization supposedly interested in exposing truths about the "dark side" of an invisible government warmly accepting into their fold someone who is not above crafting the most outrageous lies about a true hero. His bringing those distortions directly into this forum and continuing to denigrate Hersh's accomplishments by accusing him of being a part of the very organization at the center of the "Deep Politics" conundrumthe very one that Hersh has worked so hard to investigate and exposeconstitutes a huge injustice to a true and great American hero. "Disgraceful" is an understatement and does not nearly describe such drivel.
Webster definition of "Mastermind": "a person who supplies the directing or creative intelligence for a project" Can you say "ambiguous"? Nothing there about "controlling every single detail" of the "project" that I can see. Hell, given that definition, a person who only had the original germ of an ideaand then had nothing whatsoever to do with its executioncould still qualify.
It seems that most of the invective directed by folks on this board to the book relates to my use of the word "Mastermind." This is a term that I (apparently mistakenly) thought the book itself, in roughly 700 pages, would define. The parameters of Johnson's involvement described in every chapter of the book defined his participation in the plot to kill John F. Kennedy. In case anyone missed it, I defined his participation in the event as beginning in 1958, two years before the presidential election. I will not use my limited time here to explain all of that; if anyone needs to understand that he or she will need to review at least chapter 5, preferably the entire book if its not too much trouble.
It has been asserted here that Johnson was not equipped or empowered to have been the "Mastermind". The problem seems to have more to do with semantics than anything substantive with the plot I have advanced. Why is it so difficult for so many to be unable to comprehend that the term is inherently ambiguous and subject to the interpretation of every individual who considers it. At Deep Politics, there seems to be an unwillingness to even acknowledge any definition other than their own, which is "by definition" (see above) misguided. And incorrect. And simply wrong, not to put too fine a point on it.
For clarification purposes, I will once again attempt to define and summarize what I meant by using that term: LBJ, set out in 1958-59 to put himself into the office of vice-president of the United States; in so doing, he forfeited any idea of actually running for the presidency at that time. He did this because he saw it as his only path into the presidency itself, in accordance with his self-defined destiny, at a time and place to be determined. Once he became vice president, he began sabotaging practically every domestic and international initiative advanced by JFK as he collaborated with his associates and other high officials within the military and intelligence organizations of the U.S. government. Between 1961 and 1963, as a result of numerous, repeated incidents as outlined in the book his relationship with a number of these military and intelligence officials grew greater, and tighter, just as JFK's deteriorated to a point that many of them decided that his presidency presented too many risks to what they perceived as the "national security" of the United States.
No one knows for sure, of course, precisely how all of these relationships evolved and when the planning for the assassination commenced; precise timelines and detailed assassination plans cannot be established because none of these "understandings" were ever committed to paper. My contention is that Johnson was the original initiator because, by definition, the "invisible government" which Mr. Drago evidently sees as the single and unique sponsor of the event could not possibly have been thrown into gear until at least after the election and probably not really until a number of Kennedy's "sins" (e.g. BOP, Cuban missile crisis, nuclear arms treaty, "Peace Speech" etc., etc.) had been committed.
My book goes to some lengths to describe the evolution of some of the relationships between Johnson and the members of the "invisible" force; this description is not located on any single page or sets of pages, but appears throughout the book. Therefore, to understand how the book describes all of this, one must, of course, read the book. One such referencewhich explains, again, why Johnson was not involved in the more detailed tasks such as arranging for the pristine bullet (CE 399)appears on page 368:
"Although it was Lyndon Johnson who would initiate the overall "macro-level"plan, and be in the position after its execution to enforce a complete cover-up,it is clear now, based upon the meticulous research of Noel Twyman in1997 and further elaboration by Larry Hancock in 2006 and Doug Horne in2009, that he was not the only planner involved; as dictated by the precepts of plausible deniability, Johnson would not be involved in the details of the assassination, other than planning of the motorcade itself. The gathering consensus is that Bill Harvey was put in charge of the microplanning level,aided by David Morales at the street level. . . "
For DiEugenio to continue making the ridiculous assertion that any "mastermind" would necessarily have to be the one and only person to know every possible detail of the pre and post-assassination conspiracies is, for lack of a better word, simply "ludicrous." In his post #90, he adds to the list the following ridiculous examples of things that any "mastermind" of the event would have to control:"Precisely what did LBJ have to do with the following:
1.) Oswald being introduced to the Paines by the Baron.
2.) Oswald being manipulated in the New Orleans area by Shaw, Ferrie, and Banister.
3.) Ruth Paine picking up Marina and separating her from Lee and Lee from his possessions at the time of the murder.
4.) The Oswald charade in Mexico City which is crucial to the plot.
5.) Oswald getting his job at the TSBD.
6.) Ruth Paine producing all that phony evidence after the murder
7.) The military curtailing the autopsy
Only number 7 on his list has any pertinence of what Johnson's role might have been. The rest are just more instances of how he is unable to absorb the notion that there were a number of other planners of the event at the "micro" level, such as Bill Harvey and David Sanchez Morales. I feel as though this point will never go away. Has nobody else come to this conclusion? Is there some better way that I might explain this? Perhaps I'm simply not articulate enough to accomplish this. Perhaps the problem does not lie within the pages of this book. In any event, I shall not pursue this further.1.) Oswald being introduced to the Paines by the Baron.
2.) Oswald being manipulated in the New Orleans area by Shaw, Ferrie, and Banister.
3.) Ruth Paine picking up Marina and separating her from Lee and Lee from his possessions at the time of the murder.
4.) The Oswald charade in Mexico City which is crucial to the plot.
5.) Oswald getting his job at the TSBD.
6.) Ruth Paine producing all that phony evidence after the murder
7.) The military curtailing the autopsy
Insofar as I have explained all of this over and over until I'm now literally "blue in the face" to no avail, I cannot see the point in going further. Perhaps Jim is right and my critics have not even bothered to read the book! But no more; after this, at least on this forum, you may continue picking the bones off the carcass that I leave behind (this post) just like other forms of vultures do in the "real world", but I do not intend to continue repeating myself merely because you are not willing to consider what I have already explained, repeatedly and ad nauseum.
Contrary to the strident and spurious charges that the book "ignores" the national security state, it actually addresses this issue directly and, if I may say so, quite thoroughly, in the context of its interface with the main perpetrator. That is why the book is over 700 pages long; Mr. Green felt that was way too long and that it should be shortened to 200 pages, evidently because he skipped over the very material he also said was missing. I am not the only one who saw the absurdity of that argument, yet it has still not been acknowledged by either Mr. Green or his chief sponsor, who may actually know no better.
I think the real controversy is caused, as noted above, by the fact that the book focuses more on LBJ's involvement than it does on the institutional entity called "the national security state". While I admit that I could have changed this proportion, to be less LBJ oriented and more "national security state" oriented, I suppose certain people would have been more satisfied with the book. Had I done that, I could have then named the book a little less provocatively, something very benign like "LBJ: From Pawn to King". While some folks here might have been less antagonistic towards the book, it would have also probably been ruinous to it. At the very least, the book would have grown to be much larger than it is, which is already on the outer edges of what a book publisher will even consider. By citing other books which focused on the "national security" aspects of the cabal, I extended the book's reach accordingly; I even stated that Twyman's book, for one, was essentially incorporated into the book in its entirety by proxy, because this is one book which I have absolutely no disagreements with (other than that Twyman does not actually see LBJ as the "mastermind", only as its most critical and indispensible actor). It was essentially the same technique I used to embrace other books as well. For example, Gerald McKnight's book on the Warren Commission is a good case on point; if anyone wants to see the complete details of issues I only address tangentially, the point is, the full details are completely available within the other cited works.
More Misstatements:
DiEugenio noted on post #49: "Green writes that Nelson also propogates the whole RFK being in on MM's murder thesis." For the record, the following excerpt from the book explains that this is not true:
Author Donald H. Wolfe, in The Last Days of Marilyn Monroe, made a compelling case that Robert F. Kennedy was not only the last visitor of Marilyn Monroe before she died but was actually involved in it in some way. To be sure, other authors, including Donald Spoto in his book Marilyn Monroe, disagree vehemently with such a conclusion. It is not our purpose here to settle that case; however, it is clear that whatever involvement Bobby may have had would have been known to his nemesis, J. Edgar Hoover; he wouldn't hesitate a moment to use the secret scandals known only to the handful of people who had access to the FBI reports to keep Bobby Kennedy rattled and under his own complete control. RFK had found out about Hoover's channels when he ordered the FBI to confiscate the records of her telephone calls from General Telephone within hours of her death. He knew that Hoover knew all about the outgoing and incoming telephone calls, not just the precise times of each call but the taped conversations as well. Since August 4, 1962, J. Edgar Hoover possessed information on both Kennedy brothers that was so potentially damaging that it could end their political careers.
According to credible accounts, RFK, with Peter Lawford, visited Marilyn Monroe the day before she died. And thanks to the constant monitoring of everything going on in her bungalow by his wiretaps, Hoover would have known exactly what went on, even if was nothing more than a shouting match. That is the sum and substance of what I wrote; I specifically stated that I was reporting only what two other authors had written, one which said he was involved in her death, the other vehemently disagreed and that this book did not take either side. I can only conjecture how DiEugeio could have missed it.Conclusions:
Mr. Drago stated that "Hunt's absurdly transparent final fiction and Nelson's just plain absurd "hypothesis" both are intended -- in my educated opinion -- to prolong the JFK debate, reinforce the coverup, and protect the anonymity of the true Sponsors of Dallas and beyond."
This is the real sophistry which is clearly prevalent on this forum; it is transparently ridiculous and, if anything, the opposite of reality. It is the perpetuation of the idea that the only force that could have possibly been behind the assassination was this murky confluence of invisible--and only partially identifiedpeople that has itself perpetrated the cover-up of the crime. Maybe that's the objective of his dismissal of my book: to preserve the illusion that "the national security state" was responsible rather than actual human agents acting on their motives and beliefs.
That is the inevitable result of the creation of the ultimate "strawman": the one which insures that the assassination will never be solved. One result of that is the fact that a miniseries is about to be produced which re-postulates the very same "official story" that so few people even believe in. The people who subsequently remain unpersuaded by that fictional "entertainment" will then be offered up an equally ridiculous movie designed to convince them that it was all Fidel's doing. In the meantime, the real killers get yet another pass. Jim Fetzer in "Forrest Gump on the grassy knoll" recognizes the danger in those works of "entertainment" and has sought to warn the public about it. The armchair pundits at this forum prefer only to commiserate about how such shows don't reflect their singular culprit: the enigmatic "invisible government", which controls everyone and which will only be exposed if they continue their hand-wringing and the verbal combat with themselves in their tiny corner of cyberspace. Terrific, but count me out.
A logically thinking cynic, after absorbing the debate going on here, might even conclude that an organization which calls itself "Deep Politics Forum" might even resort to attacking any book that attempts to outline the only realistically plausible story of the assassination, simply because it does not comport with the premise upon which they exist. Moreover, following simple rules of logic, their real motive might even be more insidious and sinister; why would they mount such a colossal effort to keep the waters muddy and un-navigable? Could such an organization even "pull all the plugs" to destroy a book because of the perception that it is a threat to its own credibility or existence? Is it in the DPF's own interest to keep the lid on the most plausible story simply to preserve their own existence?
If all of this is so, then the inescapable conclusion is that this organization is not really wedded to the pursuit of truth. By logical extension, which I find very troubling, it appears difficult to deny that the DPF may exist for ulterior motives, a hidden agenda that only surfaces intermittently, as it seems to have done here.