01-02-2011, 10:31 AM
Thanks, Bill, for your typically well-informed analysis -- and for your presence once again on DPF.
To be clear, I have no problem whatsoever with the basic story elements, including the character of Vallee and others which you reference in this post.
Yet another extraordinary Dallas mirror image that does not weaken my hypothesis.
The money and arms cache do not precisely parallel elements of the Dallas plot -- but the arms smuggling vein runs through Dallas, as, of course, do Ruby and individuals linked to him.
If Bolden is right, the falsification does not speak to my hypothesis.
Help me out here, Bill. What is the relevance of the "Hurt" call to my thoughts on the Chicago plot?
But the Cuba attack did not take place, the Chicago attack did not take place, and thus the assassinations in Vietnam stand alone.
One of my major motives for creating this thread was to encourage the use of imagination in our work toward the creation of testable hypotheses larger than the sum of their parts. This you do, quite admirably, when you postulate a November 1 triple hit. I'd love to have you expand upon your Al Queda-like scenario. To which False Sponsors would the attacks have been attributed?
I leave open the possibility -- albeit a slim one -- that the Chicago and Dallas plots were run simultaneously with the idea that both would be kept active until events forced an either/or decision. When the scene of the crime was finalized, the rejected iteration would be terminated in such a fashion as to provide the illusion that the entire threat had been eliminated.
But given the success of the Dallas attack and its coverup, don't underestimate the value of Chicago (or, if it increases your comfort level with my hypothesis, the rejected plot) as a "decoy, deception or ploy designed to confuse."
While Chicago displays a beyond-coincidence number of Dallas parallels, we know little of what lies beneath. This may be due to the fact that in-depth investigations of that plot have not been conducted over 48 years.
But it also may be because a decoy plot need only be skin-deep.
Charles
William Kelly Wrote:I agree with Jim on this one, but can still be convinced by Charles if he can answer some questions and continue with his reasoning.
The Chicago plot as investigated by the Secret Service included Valee, who is a prominent character in The Kenendy Detail, as well as James Douglas' JFK & the Unspeakable.
To be clear, I have no problem whatsoever with the basic story elements, including the character of Vallee and others which you reference in this post.
William Kelly Wrote:TKD says that Thomas A. Vallee was a member of the John Birch Society, which links him to the same group addressed by the Cuban in Dallas who threatened Kennedy, as well as the student who the DPD CIS informant said threatened JFK.
Yet another extraordinary Dallas mirror image that does not weaken my hypothesis.
William Kelly Wrote:In addition, the Chicago plot included Homer Echevara, a Cuban who was also working as a Chicago Transit Authority bus driver (as was Ralph Meyer, the son of Ruby acquaintence), and the transfer of a lot of money and a cache of arms.
The money and arms cache do not precisely parallel elements of the Dallas plot -- but the arms smuggling vein runs through Dallas, as, of course, do Ruby and individuals linked to him.
William Kelly Wrote:According to Abe Bolden, the documents on Echevara were falsefied to indicate they were created after the assassination when in fact the investigation occured before Dallas.
If Bolden is right, the falsification does not speak to my hypothesis.
William Kelly Wrote:And then there's the bit Bolden himself didn't realize was potentially significant, and that was the call from Dallas asking for them to check on a "Hurt" or someone with a similar sounding name, which appears to indicate that they were investigating Oswald's attempt to call someone by that name.
Help me out here, Bill. What is the relevance of the "Hurt" call to my thoughts on the Chicago plot?
William Kelly Wrote:And finally, if the late October mission of the Rex was successful and deposited a team of assassins in Cuba with high powered rifles who were to assassinate Castro, and the Chicago plot was successful on the same day (November 1), the tripple assassinations of JFK in Chicago, Castro in Havana and Diems in Vietnam would certainly appear to have been coordinated like an Al Quada attack.
But the Cuba attack did not take place, the Chicago attack did not take place, and thus the assassinations in Vietnam stand alone.
One of my major motives for creating this thread was to encourage the use of imagination in our work toward the creation of testable hypotheses larger than the sum of their parts. This you do, quite admirably, when you postulate a November 1 triple hit. I'd love to have you expand upon your Al Queda-like scenario. To which False Sponsors would the attacks have been attributed?
William Kelly Wrote:There's too many aspects of the Chicago plot that makes it significant to discard it as a decoy, deception or ploy designed to confuse[.]
BK
I leave open the possibility -- albeit a slim one -- that the Chicago and Dallas plots were run simultaneously with the idea that both would be kept active until events forced an either/or decision. When the scene of the crime was finalized, the rejected iteration would be terminated in such a fashion as to provide the illusion that the entire threat had been eliminated.
But given the success of the Dallas attack and its coverup, don't underestimate the value of Chicago (or, if it increases your comfort level with my hypothesis, the rejected plot) as a "decoy, deception or ploy designed to confuse."
While Chicago displays a beyond-coincidence number of Dallas parallels, we know little of what lies beneath. This may be due to the fact that in-depth investigations of that plot have not been conducted over 48 years.
But it also may be because a decoy plot need only be skin-deep.
Charles