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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis
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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Ruby could have killed Oswald prior to that morning. He did not. Why?

Because I think they were waiting to find out what Oswald would do while under questioning and in his press conferences. Its quite clear that he has no idea he was being framed for JFK' s murder from his reaction to the news that he is being charged with it. This clearly stuns him.



I'm not saying you're wrong, but this contrasts with the meticulous world-class level of diabolical planning we see elsewhere in the conspiracy. If we extrapolate this level of planning, we can look at the fact there is any predicament with Oswald at all as a sign that this is somehow a failure in the plot. According to the rest of the plot, if there is any vulnerability or compromise the conspirators are defending against by having Oswald in custody then it would be reasonable to assume this is something that wasn't planned. It makes you wonder if Oswald was never supposed to get this far to the police station and Ruby and his monitoring is desperate damage control. Something's definitely not right here. In no way would the original plot involve a suicide attack by Ruby in the police station.


Safe Mode: We don't know which combination of Oswald's was supposed to do what or be killed by whom after assassination. It wouldn't shock me if Lee was MKULTRA programmed to shoot the cop that arrested him and then be gunned-down by the cops.



Jim DiEugenio Wrote:When Oswald tried to make the call to John Hurt, as Victor Marchetti said, he signed his death warrant. The next morning he was killed. It was a really tragic and terrible error on his part. He wanted to know what was going on, what did they want him to say, what was going to be his defense? That was too much.

I really wish Stone has put this in his film.


You have to imagine a Lee Oswald who was sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom and realizes something funny is going on when JFK gets shot. He either gets handed a gun by Ruby or goes home and gets one. He's now a man on his own because he doesn't know who has betrayed him, how exactly he was betrayed, who is in on it, who he doesn't know is in on it, who is still operating under the original orders and is trustworthy, what the new plan is, or what to do?

Right. Oswald calls Hurt because he wants to touch base with his network. I have to assume Hurt is an old contact from the Atsugi/Russia days. He calls Hurt because he no longer trusts the local contacts surrounding the conspiracy. He takes a step back and contacts an outside ONI contact because he feels Hurt's still clean and trustworthy and hasn't been compromised. This shows the depth of the conspiracy because Oswald doesn't suspect the deep layering involved. Oswald doesn't worry about exposing himself or Hurt because he knows the cops are in with Ruby and therefore in with the conspirators. And he might even take slight relief in the call not going through. That would mean he is being controlled by the people he's trying to contact.

We have to wonder what Oswald would have told Abt? I imagine if he made it to Abt and his counsel he would have tried to contact FBI again like in New Orleans.
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 01-02-2011, 12:15 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 01-02-2011, 01:20 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Phil Dragoo - 01-02-2011, 02:00 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 01-02-2011, 03:30 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 01-02-2011, 03:32 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 01-02-2011, 08:30 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 01-02-2011, 09:38 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 01-02-2011, 10:31 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 01-02-2011, 10:48 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 01-02-2011, 03:46 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 01-02-2011, 04:24 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 01-02-2011, 04:55 PM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 03-02-2011, 06:28 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 03-02-2011, 07:11 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bernice Moore - 03-02-2011, 07:25 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 03-02-2011, 07:29 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jack White - 04-02-2011, 12:10 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 04-02-2011, 01:27 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 04-02-2011, 03:31 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 04-02-2011, 02:09 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 05-02-2011, 03:51 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 05-02-2011, 05:30 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 05-02-2011, 07:33 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 05-02-2011, 05:41 PM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Dawn Meredith - 05-02-2011, 07:08 PM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 05-02-2011, 10:15 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 06-02-2011, 12:55 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Magda Hassan - 06-02-2011, 04:59 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 06-02-2011, 05:37 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 07-02-2011, 06:32 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 07-02-2011, 02:25 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 07-02-2011, 03:58 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 07-02-2011, 04:27 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 08-02-2011, 05:00 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 08-02-2011, 05:09 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 09-02-2011, 07:25 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 09-02-2011, 06:36 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 09-02-2011, 06:50 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 09-02-2011, 07:16 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bernice Moore - 26-02-2011, 07:32 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 26-02-2011, 08:10 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Phil Dragoo - 26-02-2011, 09:39 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bernice Moore - 26-02-2011, 11:54 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 27-02-2011, 05:42 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Phil Dragoo - 27-02-2011, 10:07 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 27-02-2011, 02:46 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 27-02-2011, 05:23 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Peter Lemkin - 27-02-2011, 05:47 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 27-02-2011, 05:55 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 27-02-2011, 06:29 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 27-02-2011, 07:13 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 18-03-2011, 04:37 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 18-03-2011, 05:09 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 18-03-2011, 05:45 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 18-03-2011, 09:57 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Phil Dragoo - 19-03-2011, 01:55 AM
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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 19-03-2011, 04:47 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 19-03-2011, 05:33 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 19-03-2011, 07:53 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Phil Dragoo - 19-03-2011, 09:13 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bernice Moore - 02-04-2011, 02:05 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 02-04-2011, 03:46 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 03-04-2011, 06:23 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 03-04-2011, 06:36 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 03-04-2011, 08:53 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 21-04-2011, 05:11 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 22-04-2011, 02:46 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 22-04-2011, 04:15 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 22-04-2011, 04:37 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 22-04-2011, 09:13 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 23-04-2011, 06:44 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Bill Kelly - 25-04-2011, 02:57 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 30-04-2011, 05:40 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 30-04-2011, 07:12 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 30-04-2011, 07:16 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Phil Dragoo - 30-04-2011, 09:11 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 02-05-2011, 05:45 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 02-05-2011, 05:49 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 03-05-2011, 04:02 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 03-05-2011, 05:10 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Doyle - 03-05-2011, 05:16 AM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Tracy Riddle - 26-06-2013, 04:57 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Jim DiEugenio - 26-06-2013, 05:13 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Tracy Riddle - 26-06-2013, 05:47 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 26-06-2013, 06:28 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Tracy Riddle - 26-06-2013, 07:21 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Albert Rossi - 26-06-2013, 08:36 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Gordon Gray - 26-06-2013, 08:44 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 26-06-2013, 09:54 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 26-06-2013, 10:03 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 26-06-2013, 11:44 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Gordon Gray - 27-06-2013, 10:29 PM
The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis - by Charles Drago - 28-06-2013, 12:16 AM

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