Armstrong's Hypothosis - Harvey and Lee - Applied to Tippit

[Jan Klimkowski]

"HARVEY" spent a lot of time with Timmer during the next two months of the summer of 1953. They went swimming at the reservoir and rode their bicycles at the city park. Timmer was impressed by this kid "from the big city" who talked of gang fights in New York City and of making weapons with razor blades stuck in potatoes. "Harvey" said he had been all over the country. "Harvey" carried a pamphlet in his back pocket and on one occasion showed it to Timmer and remarked, "I'll bet you've never seen anything like this". It was a pamphlet on Marxism. Where would he get such a pamphlet? From his father and his uncle, who were, according to the woman who spoke with Mrs. Tippit, "Hungarians and spent all of their time on Communist activities". These people may have acted like Communists, but in reality they were probably agents provocateur and their mission was to uncover and identify domestic Communists.

This is probably not relevant but there are several MKULTRA subprojects dealing specifically with "Hungarians".

As far as one can tell, these are to do with studies of refugees from the 1956 Hungarian Uprising - who were of course victims of a giant Radio Free Europe psyop which misfired horribly....

Anyway, probably random if the official story that these MKULTRA subprojects were based around events in 1956 is correct, but for the record:

Subproject 65: MKULTRA: Hungarian Refugees

Subproject 82: MKULTRA: Hungarian Refugees

Subproject 89: MKULTRA: Hungarian Repatriation

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[David Guyatt]

The following may be entirely unconnected to your post Jan, in which case I apologize in advance. Some years ago I received a telephone call from a Hungarian gentleman living in Canada. The call was polite but it was clear from the timing and style of it that it seemed to me to be a clear warning over research I was then conducting. He had close connections to Fort Bragg.

This event made me think about - not so much post communist era Hungarians - but the fact that Hungary was the first minor power to join the Axis powers in WWII. Two SS Divisions, the SS Hunyadi and the Hungaria (the 25th and 26th Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS) were formed of Hungarian nationals.



So when people speak of Hungarians I quite unreasonably I suppose, begin to wonder if they were ever part of the Nazi SS that got out via the Ratlines. Canada was, of course, one of the destinations that Ratline SS types were sent to by the British (along with South Africa, Australia etc) to start a new life, but ready to be recalled into action if needed.

[Dawn Meredith]

What a great thread. I just wish I never had to work so I could spend all my time here. I don't understand people who are not interested in this stuff. Just this case alone (JFK) is way stranger than anthing a sci fi writer could come up with. The more you study it the deeper it gets. I have not read Armstrong and have been wanting to for YEARS. I've read a lot of the excepts that were online or posted on forums and it's clear that his work is extremely important to understanding this case.

Speaking of Canada, I had no idea that the intelligence agencies of both nations were joined at the hit until I read-in 94- Phil Melanson's incredible book on the MLK case. That book is a real page turner. Better than any spy novelist's imagination. It made me sad for my former country. Destroyed my last shred of naivete.

Dawn

[Peter Lemkin]

Once you follow the 1000 pages of parallel timelines, you reach the
inescapable conclusion that SOME AGENCY had an interest in creating
dual identities for pairs of young men for some purpose LONG BEFORE
1963.

There is evidence that the covert "mind control" programmes - Bluebird, Artichoke, MKULTRA, their British & "outsourced" equivalents - had a strong interest in twins, siblings, and lookalikes.

Might explain why Mengele was taken 'under the wing'....

[Jan Klimkowski]

Once you follow the 1000 pages of parallel timelines, you reach the
inescapable conclusion that SOME AGENCY had an interest in creating
dual identities for pairs of young men for some purpose LONG BEFORE
1963.

There is evidence that the covert "mind control" programmes - Bluebird, Artichoke, MKULTRA, their British & "outsourced" equivalents - had a strong interest in twins, siblings, and lookalikes.

Might explain why Mengele was taken 'under the wing'....

Perhaps.

My own take on it is that Mengele is a representative of Bastard Genetic science - or more accurately eugenic "research". His "speciality" is breeding.

Whilst intelligence agency "research" such as MKULTRA and its equivalents was geared more towards practical operational use in the field (plus using drugs as truth serums in interrogations etc).

Crudely, Mengele wanted to know how to breed blue Aryan eyes and eliminate brown Gypsy eyes. And much worse. A twin provided a perfect "control" subject - in bastard scientific terms.

Whilst the spooks wanted to know how to mould and break people from infancy and use them reliably in covert operations. Twins, siblings, lookalikes offered great potential for hiding trails (the perfect alibi), creating confusion and running intensive 24/7 ops.

Oh and in blackmailing people in key positions to "own" them.

[Charles Drago]

The IT Revolution, I'd say, has forced changes to the doppelganger gang's methodology.

Case in point: James Earl Ray was run through a modified doppelganger operation. The aliases chosen for him -- E. S. Galt is the prime example -- were of real-life individuals whose written descriptions were close enough to Ray's to fool investigators.

Today's easily shared-over-distance photographic images would have rendered this method moot.

CD

[Jan Klimkowski]

The IT Revolution, I'd say, has forced changes to the doppelganger gang's methodology.

Case in point: James Earl Ray was run through a modified doppelganger operation. The aliases chosen for him -- E. S. Galt is the prime example -- were of real-life individuals whose written descriptions were close enough to Ray's to fool investigators.

Today's easily shared-over-distance photographic images would have rendered this method moot.

CD

Charles - a typically astute observation.

With one caveat - They control the information and They own both the science and the scientists.

The Innocence Project has been documenting this for ages.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/1905.php

[Myra Bronstein]

Peter this book has intrigued me for some time now. However I know there are some strong critiques of his work. Is there any way that you could summarize these critiques in a big picture kind of way-- I mean while being fair. Also do you think that parts of the book can stand even if you end up agreeing with the main critiques?

Realize this is sort of a whimpy request but this book is not easy to get and wondering if I should make the effort.

And once the book is obtained it's not easy to read.

[Myra Bronstein]

...
“Oswald was used as a mind-controlled guinea pig,” Jensen said. “When he said he was a patsy, he wrote his death warrant because I believe at that moment he realized and they realized he remembered things he shouldn’t have remembered.”
...

I've long assumed that Oswald was supposed to be killed instead of captured on November 22 '63. The info about use of mind control on him makes me wonder if he was captured as part of the original plan, but went off script in accurately declaring himself a patsy.

[Myra Bronstein]

http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html

Very interesting article in Probe by Armstrong on the Tippit shooting. By the way, if you've not yet read Harvey and Lee I think you are missing a lot - no matter how you 'come down' on his hypothesis, the book is a must have! [packed to bursting with important and mind-blowing information]

Good column Peter, thanks. It's an--in a nutshell--version of Armstrong's book. Not that I've managed to get through the entire book.

The column has details I hadn't known, for example:

"On the morning of November 22nd, J.D. Tippit hugged his oldest son Allen and said, "no matter what happens today, I want you to know that I love you." Such overt signs of affection toward his son were uncharacteristic of Tippit. This was the last time young Allen Tippit saw his father alive."

I've long wavered on whether or not Tippit was in on the plot or not. If true, this quote gives the impression he was in on something, something big.

Right now I'm leaning towards thinking, at least in part because of this Armstrong column, that Tippit:

-Was suckered into being Harvey Oswald's ride to the Texas Theater.
-Was killed - and Oswald's wallet was planted by his body - to provide a pointer to the patsy. (Though they were both patsies. "Poor dumb cop.")
-Was used for body parts for the alterations of President Kennedy's body. I think it's likely that Tippit was chosen because of his obvious resemblence to JFK.