My new book, "Into the Nightmare"

[Joseph McBride]

:thumbsup:Grand thread all;;Thank you Joseph for sharing, your welcome news, fyi, the date here to Canada delivery is between July 6 and august 6th, snail mail, as usual, the important info being, it will arrive eventually, many best wishes for a best seller, of course, and a huge thank you from all I am sure, for your the obvious tremendous work that you have done, over the 31 years, amazing...note; to Peter;at times like this , I right now miss Jack so very much, as he would have been in here like a dirty old shirt, spilling out data...as well as Dixie with the latest on Mary as she had passed along some quite similar information many years back...they would have been so pleased as we all are, in knowing a new book, confirming , shall I put it some old thoughts re research as well as some private ones as well, perhaps down through the years, three cheers for JOSEPH, and many more, note,;; there was information once on the web, that there were three different copies of the dpd radio tapes, along with documentation and print outs for all three for such, on Rich's forum, years back, right now a search has not produced such.on my pc but will continue..to look into the matter.....MONK any thoughts re tapes ??.....any info on such Joseph. many thanks all..and best wishes for a safe, great summer:jumpingjoy:..b

Bernice, Good to see you here too. And thank you for all your kind words. I greatly appreciate them.

I sure miss Jack White too. He was a fine and dedicated man. He gave me a detailed and very helpful interview
on his work on the Badge Man blowup and other aspects of the case, and I always learned a lot
from his posts on forums and his other work on the assassination, including his videos.

I obtained a copy of the DPD tape in my research long ago, but you are right, the tape is
not posted online other than for some excerpts. Hearing the words spoken is important
as well as reading the transcripts (which contain some differences).

I hope you find the book helpful and value your generous feedback and encouragement.

[Dawn Meredith]

:thumbsup:Grand thread all;;Thank you Joseph for sharing, your welcome news, fyi, the date here to Canada delivery is between July 6 and august 6th, snail mail, as usual, the important info being, it will arrive eventually, many best wishes for a best seller, of course, and a huge thank you from all I am sure, for your the obvious tremendous work that you have done, over the 31 years, amazing...note; to Peter;at times like this , I right now miss Jack so very much, as he would have been in here like a dirty old shirt, spilling out data...as well as Dixie with the latest on Mary as she had passed along some quite similar information many years back...they would have been so pleased as we all are, in knowing a new book, confirming , shall I put it some old thoughts re research as well as some private ones as well, perhaps down through the years, three cheers for JOSEPH, and many more, note,;; there was information once on the web, that there were three different copies of the dpd radio tapes, along with documentation and print outs for all three for such, on Rich's forum, years back, right now a search has not produced such.on my pc but will continue..to look into the matter.....MONK any thoughts re tapes ??.....any info on such Joseph. many thanks all..and best wishes for a safe, great summer:jumpingjoy:..b

B. can you shed some light on what Dixie uncovered. I too really miss her and Jack!! Mary had many spook connections through her work and that of her husband. Mary Ferrell came from the same spook law firm as G.W. Bush's White House Counsel and Supreme Court nominee, Harriett Miers: Locke, Liddell & Sapp. Ferrell worked there starting in 1957 before becoming executive secretary to Texas Governor Dolf Briscoe.
I don't have at hand the connections of her husband. The person who detailed them for me has his stuff in storage at the moment.

I was also told that Mary was a practicing witch. Anyone who visited her home was also photographed. I had a rather odd experience with her in the summer of 1990. I had just moved to Austin from MA. and my car was in the shop for repairs due to being hit while parked. The Roscoe White story broke BIG. Being very new to Austin I did not yet have any JFK assassination connections here so I called Mary. She wanted me to travel to Dallas and "cover " the White story for her. I joked that surely she had enough job tenure that she could get some time off to investigate for herself. She insited that she could not. To sweeten the deal she promised to also instal word perfect on my new computer and teach me to use it. I found all of this to be most suspect. At the time it made no sense, why was she trying to lure me to Dallas? Up until that time I had had only friendly and helpful relations with her. But this one just did not pass the smell test.

Dawn

[Kenneth Kapel]

My copy of "Into the Nightmare" just arrived a few moments ago. AHEAD of schedule.

[Bernice Moore]

:thumbsup:Grand thread all;;Thank you Joseph for sharing, your welcome news, fyi, the date here to Canada delivery is between July 6 and august 6th, snail mail, as usual, the important info being, it will arrive eventually, many best wishes for a best seller, of course, and a huge thank you from all I am sure, for your the obvious tremendous work that you have done, over the 31 years, amazing...note; to Peter;at times like this , I right now miss Jack so very much, as he would have been in here like a dirty old shirt, spilling out data...as well as Dixie with the latest on Mary as she had passed along some quite similar information many years back...they would have been so pleased as we all are, in knowing a new book, confirming , shall I put it some old thoughts re research as well as some private ones as well, perhaps down through the years, three cheers for JOSEPH, and many more, note,;; there was information once on the web, that there were three different copies of the dpd radio tapes, along with documentation and print outs for all three for such, on Rich's forum, years back, right now a search has not produced such.on my pc but will continue..to look into the matter.....MONK any thoughts re tapes ??.....any info on such Joseph. many thanks all..and best wishes for a safe, great summer:jumpingjoy:..b

B. can you shed some light on what Dixie uncovered. I too really miss her and Jack!! Mary had many spook connections through her work and that of her husband. Mary Ferrell came from the same spook law firm as G.W. Bush's White House Counsel and Supreme Court nominee, Harriett Miers: Locke, Liddell & Sapp. Ferrell worked there starting in 1957 before becoming executive secretary to Texas Governor Dolf Briscoe.
I don't have at hand the connections of her husband. The person who detailed them for me has his stuff in storage at the moment.

I was also told that Mary was a practicing witch. Anyone who visited her home was also photographed. I had a rather odd experience with her in the summer of 1990. I had just moved to Austin from MA. and my car was in the shop for repairs due to being hit while parked. The Roscoe White story broke BIG. Being very new to Austin I did not yet have any JFK assassination connections here so I called Mary. She wanted me to travel to Dallas and "cover " the White story for her. I joked that surely she had enough job tenure that she could get some time off to investigate for herself. She insited that she could not. To sweeten the deal she promised to also instal word perfect on my new computer and teach me to use it. I found all of this to be most suspect. At the time it made no sense, why was she trying to lure me to Dallas? Up until that time I had had only friendly and helpful relations with her. But this one just did not pass the smell test.

Dawn

..........Dawn, I have replied to you by email, as i mentioned, the information that Dixie passed along at that time was similar to what Joseph posted about her son talking......I will check the cds when I get to them...thanks..b ps from what I do recall , no I do not believe I ever heard that one about her being a witch....though at times I do think there are some on the web...as well as many warlocks...:what: b

[Bernice Moore]

:thumbsup:Grand thread all;;Thank you Joseph for sharing, your welcome news, fyi, the date here to Canada delivery is between July 6 and august 6th, snail mail, as usual, the important info being, it will arrive eventually, many best wishes for a best seller, of course, and a huge thank you from all I am sure, for your the obvious tremendous work that you have done, over the 31 years, amazing...note; to Peter;at times like this , I right now miss Jack so very much, as he would have been in here like a dirty old shirt, spilling out data...as well as Dixie with the latest on Mary as she had passed along some quite similar information many years back...they would have been so pleased as we all are, in knowing a new book, confirming , shall I put it some old thoughts re research as well as some private ones as well, perhaps down through the years, three cheers for JOSEPH, and many more, note,;; there was information once on the web, that there were three different copies of the dpd radio tapes, along with documentation and print outs for all three for such, on Rich's forum, years back, right now a search has not produced such.on my pc but will continue..to look into the matter.....MONK any thoughts re tapes ??.....any info on such Joseph. many thanks all..and best wishes for a safe, great summer:jumpingjoy:..b

Bernice, Good to see you here too. And thank you for all your kind words. I greatly appreciate them.

I sure miss Jack White too. He was a fine and dedicated man. He gave me a detailed and very helpful interview
on his work on the Badge Man blowup and other aspects of the case, and I always learned a lot
from his posts on forums and his other work on the assassination, including his videos.

I obtained a copy of the DPD tape in my research long ago, but you are right, the tape is
not posted online other than for some excerpts. Hearing the words spoken is important
as well as reading the transcripts (which contain some differences).

I hope you find the book helpful and value your generous feedback and encouragement.

Thank you Joseph, I found the three dpd radio tape information, from Harold Wiesberg, in an old post, but not the print out... so fwiw...here's Harold.......b..There were three apparently contradictory copies of the Police

Radio Logs...there were 362 typewritten pages of the three versions.

of the same radio logs...all represented as recording the communications

relating to the crimes, that day..Both police channels were recorded that

day..so even allowing for well used equipment there cannot be any

explanation for the WC to be presented with such, as it was incomplete

info.and the fact also remains that they did not comment on such nor explain,

There was no way that a investigation could be conducted without this

basic record...let alone a fair one.....this and much is in Harold Weisberg's ..

"Whitwash..the Report on the Warren Report"...There is a March version,

( All Radio Logs including the Sherriff's and the State Police's are Exhibit

705.in Vol 17.on pages 361-494........The Police section begins on page 390,

and takes up 104 pages..)......On April 8/64 a dispatcher Gerald Dalton

Henslee, appeared and testified, (6H325-7)..one of the briefest appearances.

Exhibits A and B were introduced into evidence (21H388-400). In a dozen

pages he prepared a version of what was incomplete in the 104 pages, and

it was accepted without question .His version was also prepared without names,

but then at some point the names were added by longhand..It misidentified

some and failed to identify others..Finally, on the date of Aug.11/64 in response

to a Commission request, the FBI supplied the final version, Exhibit 1974

(17H361-495) ..to this report there are 216 sheets. Yet it also was incomplete..

It was not received until the WC was almost finished..."A book could be written

about the logs alone." H.W

[Charles Drago]

It's all consistent with the many variations on the doppelganger gambit that permeate the JFK affair.

[Joseph McBride]

:thumbsup:Grand thread all;;Thank you Joseph for sharing, your welcome news, fyi, the date here to Canada delivery is between July 6 and august 6th, snail mail, as usual, the important info being, it will arrive eventually, many best wishes for a best seller, of course, and a huge thank you from all I am sure, for your the obvious tremendous work that you have done, over the 31 years, amazing...note; to Peter;at times like this , I right now miss Jack so very much, as he would have been in here like a dirty old shirt, spilling out data...as well as Dixie with the latest on Mary as she had passed along some quite similar information many years back...they would have been so pleased as we all are, in knowing a new book, confirming , shall I put it some old thoughts re research as well as some private ones as well, perhaps down through the years, three cheers for JOSEPH, and many more, note,;; there was information once on the web, that there were three different copies of the dpd radio tapes, along with documentation and print outs for all three for such, on Rich's forum, years back, right now a search has not produced such.on my pc but will continue..to look into the matter.....MONK any thoughts re tapes ??.....any info on such Joseph. many thanks all..and best wishes for a safe, great summer:jumpingjoy:..b

Bernice, Good to see you here too. And thank you for all your kind words. I greatly appreciate them.

I sure miss Jack White too. He was a fine and dedicated man. He gave me a detailed and very helpful interview
on his work on the Badge Man blowup and other aspects of the case, and I always learned a lot
from his posts on forums and his other work on the assassination, including his videos.

I obtained a copy of the DPD tape in my research long ago, but you are right, the tape is
not posted online other than for some excerpts. Hearing the words spoken is important
as well as reading the transcripts (which contain some differences).

I hope you find the book helpful and value your generous feedback and encouragement.

Thank you Joseph, I found the three dpd radio tape information, from Harold Wiesberg, in an old post, but not the print out... so fwiw...here's Harold.......b..There were three apparently contradictory copies of the Police

Radio Logs...there were 362 typewritten pages of the three versions.

of the same radio logs...all represented as recording the communications

relating to the crimes, that day..Both police channels were recorded that

day..so even allowing for well used equipment there cannot be any

explanation for the WC to be presented with such, as it was incomplete

info.and the fact also remains that they did not comment on such nor explain,

There was no way that a investigation could be conducted without this

basic record...let alone a fair one.....this and much is in Harold Weisberg's ..

"Whitwash..the Report on the Warren Report"...There is a March version,

( All Radio Logs including the Sherriff's and the State Police's are Exhibit

705.in Vol 17.on pages 361-494........The Police section begins on page 390,

and takes up 104 pages..)......On April 8/64 a dispatcher Gerald Dalton

Henslee, appeared and testified, (6H325-7)..one of the briefest appearances.

Exhibits A and B were introduced into evidence (21H388-400). In a dozen

pages he prepared a version of what was incomplete in the 104 pages, and

it was accepted without question .His version was also prepared without names,

but then at some point the names were added by longhand..It misidentified

some and failed to identify others..Finally, on the date of Aug.11/64 in response

to a Commission request, the FBI supplied the final version, Exhibit 1974

(17H361-495) ..to this report there are 216 sheets. Yet it also was incomplete..

It was not received until the WC was almost finished..."A book could be written

about the logs alone." H.W

Yes, indeed, there is a lot of confusion generated by these variant
versions. Much critical analysis has been needed to sort through them, compare
them to the tapes, and evaluate the meaning and authenticity of the
transmissions. In addition to four official transcripts,
there are other transcripts by Bill Drenas and James C.
Bowles (the latter appears in Gary Savage's book JFK FIRST
DAY EVIDENCE). The job of transcription was done poorly at the beginning, which is part
of the problem with this case. I've studied all this evidence carefully
to help analyze what J. D. Tippit and other officers were doing in
Oak Cliff and elsewhere in the critical period after the assassination (and what
Tippit was doing before it).

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

Joseph I am finding your book fascinating, and very difficult to put down. I think the personal angle really works and it sure is interesting that your parents were both newspaper people. It really is a rich story with all kinds of different elements interacting, kind of like existence.

I also find your background in film to be, perhaps contributing to the book, particularly when you are talking about discrepancies between visual and verbal representations and how they conflict at certain interesting times and places.

There is soooooo much one has to grapple with in terms of what to include and leave out. The main reason I find JFK and the Unspeakable such an important book is the way it contextualizes the assassination in terms of the long arc of the cold war policies and how these policies interrelated to create a situation in which JFK found himself at the crescendo of an evolving conflict between presidents and the new National Security State.

I am wondering how much of the latest scholarship re JFK v LBJ and Vietnam you managed to read. I find it challenging to describe just how JFK fits in in terms of the Cold War precisely because his years were the most dangerous of Cold War in terms of the risk of nuclear conflicts, but ALSO because these years were the years of most intense conflict between an elected president and the National Security State that were his de jure assistants, but in reality often worked to subvert JFK's authority and his policies.

Also it is difficult to measure how the different policy choices overlapped and effected one another. For example, I was recently reading the historian Marc Trachtenbergs books on US nuclear policy in Europe and how that effected conventional forces and the political rhetoric around it. The ironic fact was that JFK was facing a major conflict within the JCS and NATO over preventing Germany from getting nukes. Now IF HE WERE TO DENY AUDENAUR NUKES , he had to make some reassuring, cold war noises to guarantee West Germany that the US would still protect them and not just worry about the US. Trachtenberg emphasizses that this reassurance was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY if JFK were to be successful in strongly denying German autonomy or semi-autonomy of nukes within NATO (an issue,you will recall, that was perhaps the greatest point of conflict between JFK and Nitze during the Cuban Missile Crisis [NATO autonomy to respond to events in Europe without checking with the president first]) The denial of Nukes for Conrad in turn created the possibility of detente with the USSR that JFK was deepening when he was murdered by the national security state.

So what on one level might seem like cold war boilerplate, was on another level, something very different. Moreover how did the these different policies interact with each other. e.g. to what extent did JFK s refusal to escalate Laos effect his immediate relations with JCS and CIA in Vietnam?

Sometimes, especially when reading your descriptions of JFK and Vietnam I think that you underestimate the degree of conflict that JFK was experiencing with the CIA and JCS. Several times your summations seem to bypass these conflicts as if these new, young, and flexin' institutions were in reality the tools of the president that they were on paper. How much of the latest JFK and Vietnam books did you actually have time to read?

I should say that I am only on page 130 and am finding the book fascinating reading. The book got here much faster than was originally suggested on Amazon, and I must have sounded rather petty to complain about shipping time for a book 31 years in the making. I apologize for that but I have a reputation to maintain.

[Joseph McBride]

Joseph I am finding your book fascinating, and very difficult to put down. I think the personal angle really works and it sure is interesting that your parents were both newspaper people. It really is a rich story with all kinds of different elements interacting, kind of like existence.

I also find your background in film to be, perhaps contributing to the book, particularly when you are talking about discrepancies between visual and verbal representations and how they conflict at certain interesting times and places.

There is soooooo much one has to grapple with in terms of what to include and leave out. The main reason I find JFK and the Unspeakable such an important book is the way it contextualizes the assassination in terms of the long arc of the cold war policies and how these policies interrelated to create a situation in which JFK found himself at the crescendo of an evolving conflict between presidents and the new National Security State.

I am wondering how much of the latest scholarship re JFK v LBJ and Vietnam you managed to read. I find it challenging to describe just how JFK fits in in terms of the Cold War precisely because his years were the most dangerous of Cold War in terms of the risk of nuclear conflicts, but ALSO because these years were the years of most intense conflict between an elected president and the National Security State that were his de jure assistants, but in reality often worked to subvert JFK's authority and his policies.

Also it is difficult to measure how the different policy choices overlapped and effected one another. For example, I was recently reading the historian Marc Trachtenbergs books on US nuclear policy in Europe and how that effected conventional forces and the political rhetoric around it. The ironic fact was that JFK was facing a major conflict within the JCS and NATO over preventing Germany from getting nukes. Now IF HE WERE TO DENY AUDENAUR NUKES , he had to make some reassuring, cold war noises to guarantee West Germany that the US would still protect them and not just worry about the US. Trachtenberg emphasizses that this reassurance was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY if JFK were to be successful in strongly denying German autonomy or semi-autonomy of nukes within NATO (an issue,you will recall, that was perhaps the greatest point of conflict between JFK and Nitze during the Cuban Missile Crisis [NATO autonomy to respond to events in Europe without checking with the president first]) The denial of Nukes for Conrad in turn created the possibility of detente with the USSR that JFK was deepening when he was murdered by the national security state.

So what on one level might seem like cold war boilerplate, was on another level, something very different. Moreover how did the these different policies interact with each other. e.g. to what extent did JFK s refusal to escalate Laos effect his immediate relations with JCS and CIA in Vietnam?

Sometimes, especially when reading your descriptions of JFK and Vietnam I think that you underestimate the degree of conflict that JFK was experiencing with the CIA and JCS. Several times your summations seem to bypass these conflicts as if these new, young, and flexin' institutions were in reality the tools of the president that they were on paper. How much of the latest JFK and Vietnam books did you actually have time to read?

I should say that I am only on page 130 and am finding the book fascinating reading. The book got here much faster than was originally suggested on Amazon, and I must have sounded rather petty to complain about shipping time for a book 31 years in the making. I apologize for that but I have a reputation to maintain.

Nathaniel,

Thanks very much for your good words and feedback. I am glad you appreciate
the book's personal approach. I found that the best way of structuring
this highly complex story of my evolution and investigation and
how I learned from others' discoveries along the way.

As for your thoughtful questions about JFK and Vietnam, etc., I would defer some
responses until you've had a chance to read the whole book. I discuss
his policies throughout the book and how they affected the events in Dallas. I have,
of course, read a great deal about the Cold War, Vietnam, Cuba, and other
issues from that period, and admire, among other books, JFK AND THE
UNSPEAKABLE and John Newman's JFK AND VIETNAM. Peter Dale Scott's
writings on "deep politics" are highly recommended. The books and recordings of LBJ's phone conversations
are greatly revealing, as are the various books about him and about Nixon (and
Watergate) and many documents from that era. Cf. also the revealing taped discussions between Robert McNamara
and JFK and LBJ in the Errol Morris film THE FOG OF WAR.

All these subjects relate to the assassination. You'll appreciate that
I couldn't go into the same amount of detail or depth on each aspect
of JFK's foreign and domestic policies in a book focused primarily on
an investigation of his assassination, related though these policies are. I discuss
what I find most germane to what happened in Dallas and refer
the reader to other books and articles for further discussion of various
topics (topics which often are the subject of many books in themselves).

I agree with Newman that JFK was struggling to find a way out
of Vietnam but was having to keep his options flexible both for
political reasons and for practical reasons of policy, and that
he was facing internal conflicts with the military, the CIA, and
some members of his own administration. JFK was skeptical about colonialism
and a land war in Asia and made
contradictory remarks about Vietnam for all these reasons but was
taking steps to extricate us, however tentatively and carefully.
These have been obscured by some mainstream historians.
Scott was among the first to analyze in an acute way what Kennedy was
trying to do. Chomsky misses it in his sometimes
incisive but mostly wrongheaded book about Kennedy and Vietnam. I don't have as romantic a view of JFK as
I had when I was a kid working in his campaign -- his Cold Warrior
stands, which I wasn't critical enough of at the time, were partly authentic and partly rhetorical ploys -- but I see
him as a basically admirable figure struggling with
a terribly complex set of circumstances and enemies
both foreign and domestic.

[O. Austrud]

Hi,
My first post here. I am a 50 year old man from Norway, and I have been studying the JFK-case quite a lot for the last 3 years. This book looks interesting to me. Is there any chance it will be published as an ebook as well as paper edition?