John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee

[David Josephs]

Here are a few more: Eerie how much he looks like Kostikov -
and look at the hands collage with the hand of the boy in the Bronx photo... big hands, slender fingers, big knuckles

Cheers Jim - if I can be of any help to you and John and the site... let me know.
DJ

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[Jim Hargrove]

Hi, again,

Just got off the phone with J.A. and I was telling him how great this forum is. He asked me to post a link to his November 22 write-up on the website. This is much more recent than any of his other articles on assassination day, and he hopes everyone here will give it a read.

http://harveyandlee.net/November/November_22.htm

--Jim

[Jim Hargrove]

Quote Jack White (2010) Ed Forum: Judyth Vary Baker in Exile Threat: According to Armstrong's research, Harvey and Lee worked TOGETHER. Evidence shows
that Lee stayed with Ruth Paine and Marina on WEEKDAYS and Harvey stayed there on WEEKENDS.
Nothing is known about where Lee stayed on weekends.

I can't swallow that - sorry

Because.....?

Pretty sure Jack White posted this J V Baker quote to discredit her. Armstrong DOES NOT believe that Harvey and Lee worked together, nor does he believe LEE stayed at the Paines. Baker's take is dead wrong, imho.

Jim

[Magda Hassan]

Thanks Jim.
And a warm welcome to the forum! I'm pleased you are enjoying it here.

[Karl Kinaski]

Quote, Ed Forum "Judyth Baker in Exile" Threat, page 47:

The numbered sentences are from Jack White, JV Bakers responses are in bold and unnumbered.

1. With her family's knowledge, Marguerite took Lee to New York for "mental testing".

'FAMILY KNOWLEDGE'? WE HAVE JOHN PIC'S SHOCK THAT MARGUERITE SHOWS UP WITH
LEE AND SEEMS TO WANT TO STAY. MARGUERITE ELSEWHERE GIVES A MULTITUDE OF
REASONS WHY THEY WENT TO NEW YORK, ESPECIALLY WANTING LEE TO BE NEAR HIS
BROTHER.

2. The mental testing turned out to be a CIA operation to look for candidates to LEND
THEIR IDENTITY TO THE CIA for a FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.

==THE "MENTAL TESTING" OCCURRED AT A YOUTH HOUSE, WHERE LEE WENT ONLY
AFTER MANY MONTHS OF TRUANCY. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT LEE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY GO
TO NEW YORK FOR TESTING.==

3. Marguerite, Robert and John Pic all considered this PATRIOTIC.

WHERE DO THEY SAY THAT TESTING LEE OSWALD IN A FACILITY FOR JUVENILE
DELINQUENTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PATRIOTISM? QUOTES, PLEASE.

4. There was NO RISK to Lee; all he was doing was allowing his identity to be used.

CITATIONS, PLEASE. FROM ANY SOURCE BUT WHITE AND ARMSTRONG.

5. This happened when Lee was 12 or 13 years old; he probably liked the intrigue of it...
his name being used by a spy being trained.

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO LEE IS ALMOST AS EXCITING AS WHAT HAS
BEEN MADE UP HERE. HOW DID JOHN ARMSTRONG MISS CHARLES THOMAS?
PERHAPS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SPEND NEARLY THREE YEARS SEARCHING FOR A
GERMAN-ACCENT CUSTOMS AGENT FROM NEW YORK WHO HAD ONCE LIVED IN MIAMI,
HAD TATTOOS ON HIS FINGERS, SPOKE FLUENT SPANISH, AND WAS MARRIED TO A
CHITIMACHA INDIAN WOMAN. WHO HAD PLENTY OF GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT
LEE IN NEW YORK, SOME OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE OCCURRED.

6. Marguerite likely received much needed compensation for doing this.

HOW LIKELY IS THAT? ARMSTRONG ALSO SAYS SHE SOLD HER HOUSE IN 1952.

7. Armstrong documents how when Marguerite returns to Fort Worth, she began
buying real estate, though said to be destitute.

SHE SOLD HER HOME IN 1952 AND OTHER THINGS OCCURRED, WHICH I CAN EXPLAIN.

8. John Pic was first to say that there was a substitute for his half brother. A photo
of Harvey playing hookey at the Bronx Zoo during the New York stay Pic said was
not anyone he recognized.

I HAVE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED THAT HE PHENOTYPE IS OSWALD. THE STRONG FAMILY
RESEMBLANCE IS UNMISTAKABLE. IF PIC COULD NOT RECOGNIZE THE PHOTO, WE MUST
NOTE THAT THE PHOTO ITSELF HAS BLACK SPOTS ON IT AROUND THE NOSE AND EYES,
WHICH DO NOT BELONG THERE.

9. Robert knew of the operation from the beginning, but did not meet HARVEY
until the Thanksgiving Reunion.

WHO TOLD HIM TO STAY MUM ABOUT 'HARVEY' WHEN 'HARVEY' SHOWED UP FROM RUSSIA? T
THE US GOVERNMENT? WHEN? BEFORE 'HARVEY' ARRIVED? WHAT ABOUT THE PHOTOS ON THE
WALL SHOWING BOTH 'LEE' AND 'HARVEY'? WHEN WAS ROBERT TOLD? WHO GAVE ROBERT THE
IMPERIAL REFLEX CAMERA BEFORE 'LEE' WENT TO RUSSIA?

IT'S TIME FOR A DNA TEST, PEOPLE. THIS IS TOO MUCH. WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO MARGUERITES
-- ONE OF WHOM VANISHES FOREVER. ARMSTRONG IS RELYING ON RECORDS WHEN LEE TOLD
ME PLAINLY THAT SOME RECORDS ABOUT HIM HAD BEEN FAKED. YOU MUST NEVER BELIEVE
EVERY RECORD YOU FIND ABOUT A FAKE DEFECTOR. LEE SAID HE HAD A WAY TO 'SLIP BACK
INTO SOCIETY' AS IF HE HAD NEVER LEFT DUE TO ALTERED RECORDS, SO HE COULD HAVE A
NORMAL LIFE AFTER HE LEFT THE AGENCY. HE TRIED TO LEAVE--THEY SAID HE COULD LEAVE
AFTER CHRISTMAS, 1963. THEY KEPT HIM HOPING. YOU CAN EVEN SEE [HIS OPTIMISM IN]
THAT IN THE THANKSGIVING MOVIE PHOTOS -- OR CORRECT ME, IF I AM WRONG, PLEASE.

10. Lee and Harvey clearly knew each other according to Armstrong's time lines.

OF COURSE THEY DID. THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.

11. Ruth Paine was clearly the handler for both Lee and Harvey, and both of them
were involved in the JFK plot, though not witting that Harvey was to be the PATSY.

RUTH PAINE'S HOSTILITY TOWARD LEE COULD NOT BE MORE OBVIOUS. WHEN HE CALLED FROM
JAIL ASKING HER TO CONTACT A LAWYER -- JOHN ABT OF NEW YORK -- FOR HIM, SHE FAILED
TO DO SO. SHE HAS CIA WRITTEN ALL OVER HER. WHAT SHE DID THE NIGHT OF NOV. 21 IS
TRULY SUSPICIOUS AND I HOPE TO ALERT EVERYONE TO READ HER ACCOUNT OF THAT NIGHT
VERY CAREFULLY.

SHE ALSO FOOLED LEE INTO THINKING SHE WAS GOING TO STAY WITH HIS WIFE WHEN MARINA
HAD HER SECOND CHILD, THEN JUST DROPPED POOR MARINA AT THE HOSPITAL AND RETURNED.
INFURIATING LEE WHO HAD STAYED BEHIND TO WATCH HER CHILDREN AND HIS DAUGHTER. HE
REFUSED TO SPEAK TO HER AND PRETENDED HE WAS ASLEEP WHEN HE HEARD HER CALL AND
FOUND OUT MARINA WAS OK AND HAD DELIVERED HER BABY ONLY AN HOUR OR SO AFTER BEING
DROPPED OFF TO HAVE THE BABY WITHOUT ANY RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PERSON PRESENT. THE
PAINES DID NOT CARE ONE HOOT ABOUT LEE, EITHER. HE WAS THEIR ASSIGNMENT. PERIOD.

12. It was arranged that Harvey lived in a rooming house during the week, while
Lee lived at the Paine house.

THIS IS THE MOST ABSURD OF ALL, AS LEE LOVED TO PLAY WITH THE KIDS THERE AND NEXT DOOR
AND THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO HIS VISITS. SO THEY BOTH SHARE MARINA, RIGHT?

13. Lee lived at the Paine house on weekends only; it is not known where Lee
lived on weekends.

BECAUSE HE WAS LEE H. OSWALD.

14. It should be remembered that Marina said: I HAD TWO HUSBANDS, HARVEY
AND LEE.

==SHE MEANT THAT THE WAY RUSSIANS ALWAYS SPEAK. A STUDY OF LINGUISTICS AND CULTURAL
ANTHROPOLOGY WOULD HELP A GREAT DEAL HERE. ONE MAN WAS A SPY, THE OTHER HER "WORKMAN
HUSBAND" WHO WAS A 'BOOKWORM' (HER WORDS). THE BAD JOB DONE ON LEE BY THE MORTICIAN
INCLUDED NOT INJECTING ENOUGH EMBALMING FLUID IN THE FACE, PUTTING ON TOO MUCH MAKEUP,
AND SEWING HIS LIPS TOO TIGHT. THE AUTOPSY PHOTOS ARE CLEARLY LEE.

POOR MARINA WAS IMPOSED UPON TO OPEN THE GRAVE AND HAVE HIM EXHUMED BECAUSE THE SCAR
LEE HAD HIDDEN UNDER HIS EAR TO HIDE HIS MASTOID OPERATION WAS NOT IN HE AUTOPSY. SURE
ENOUGH, THEY FOUND THE MASTOID BONE PROCESS BLUNTED BY HE OPERATION AND THE INFECTIONS.
THERE'S MORE, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.==

("I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man;
and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy.")

BECAUSE LEE'S ENEMIES PRESENTED TO HER A DICHOTOMOUS IMAGE. SHE KNEW THAT LEE WAS AN
AFFECTIONATE AND KIND MAN -- HE HAD STOPPED MISTREATING HER AND WAS DECENT TO HER, EVEN
THOUGH HE ULTIMATELY PLANNED TO DIVORCE HER. HE LEFT HIS WEDDING RING BEHIND -- FOR GOOD
REASON, IF HE GOT OUT ALIVE, WE WOULD HAVE MET IN MEXICO....

MARINA SAID YEARS LATER SHE HAD BEEN PRESENTED MUCH FALSE INFORMATION AND HAD BEEN
PERSUADED THAT HER HUSBAND WAS THE ASSASSIN. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT MARINA OSWALD
WAS SLEEPING WITH TWO SEPARATE MEN. LET'S SEE THE LIST [ACCORDING TO JOHN ARMSTRONG]:

1) TWO MARGUERITES -- ONE VANISHES

2) TWO OSWALDS -- ONE VANISHES

3) ROBERT OSWALD KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS

4) RUTH PAINE KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS HER SHE HATES ALL THAT LAUNDRY IN HER SMALL HOME
WHERE 'LEE' MUST SLEEP ON THE COUCH OR WITH MARINA ALL WEEK!

5) MICHAEL PAINE ALSO KNOWS BUT DOESN'T TELL

7) DO WE EVER HAVE ANOTHER CASE OF A SPY "DUAL PAIR" IDENTITY FROM CHILDHOOD KNOWN IN
THE RECORDS LATER THAN LEE OSWALD "LEE" AND "HARVEY"?

8) WHY HASN'T A SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED IN THIS COMPLEX SCENARIO EVER LEAKED A WORD?
THEY'RE STILL ALIVE, TOO. DID ARMSTRONG EVER ASK ANY OF THEM, FACE TO FACE? CAN WE SEE
THOSE INTERVIEWS WHERE HE ASKED THEM?

AND,

9) FINALLY, JAMES OLMSTEAD TELLS US:

From: James K. Olmstead

Subject: Re: Harvey & Lee by John Armstrong

Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk

Date: 2003-11-12 14:31:11 PST

Harvey: You seem to be well versed in Armstrong's work so I would like to ask you a question
concerning the need to provide the "youth" with a new identity (Oswald's).

>From your first post

"HARVEY & LEE: HOW THE CIA FRAMED OSWALD" by John Armstrong

Two young boys, AMERICAN-BORN Lee Oswald and an eastern European refugee who spoke Russian
and was given the name "Harvey Oswald," were selected by the CIA for inclusion in a super-secret
project known as MK/ULTRA in the early 1950s. The plan was to merge the identity of the two over
a period of years and then, if successful, to place the Russian-speaking refugee with an American
identity into the Soviet Union as a spy.

Several years ago.....when Jack White was pushing the work of Armstrong I asked this same question
with no answer..... perhaps you can address the issue.

OLMSTEAD REPLIES:

First, there was no need to adopt the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald to provide a "new cover" for the
"refugee". Under Title 10 USC Subtitle C-Navy and Marine Corps Chapter 537, sec 5532 and 5533,
once the "refugee" was 14 years of age, he could enlist in the service under Sec 5533.

If there was no birth certificate for the young boy...the enlisting officer only had to "confirm" that
this individual was who he said he was. It was quite simple to give somebody a new name and a new
life...without involvement of "another". This law was changed after 1964......but was in effect during
the 1948-1964 period.

Why go through all the "trouble"...when things could be done quickly and legally as well as "deep undercover"?

jko

[Jim Hargrove]

• 
  NOVEMBER 22, 1963
  
  
  In the early morning hours of November 22, some 12 hours before the assassination, Mary Lawrence was working at the B & B Restaurant, just two doors from Jack Ruby's Vegas Club. She was the head waitress and had known Jack Ruby for the past eight years. She and the night cashier saw Jack Ruby and a person identical to Lee Harvey Oswald in the restaurant shortly after midnight on November 22. Following the assassination, she reported this to the Dallas Police and received a phone call on December 3 from an unknown male who stated, she said, "If you don't want to die, you better get out of town." When subsequently questioned by the Dallas Police, Mary Lawrence stated that the man with Ruby was "positively Lee Harvey Oswald." Neither Mary Lawrence nor her friend were interviewed by the Warren Commission. Adding some credibility to Mary Lawrence's report is the fact that few people in America knew back then what we know today--that Jack Ruby and (LEE) Harvey Oswald were seen together by many witnesses, in different locations, prior to the assassination, who gave statements to that effect to Dallas and D.C. authorities.

See Dallas Police Department report of Mary Lawrence's observations.

• The Warren Commission's version of Oswald's actions on November 22, 1963 is familiar to many. What follows are the actual activities and whereabouts of LEE Oswald and HARVEY Oswald on that infamous day.
  
  Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald didn't drive and didn't have a driver's license. Around 7:15 AM, he walked the short distance to Wesley Frazier's house in Irving, TX and rode with Frazier to the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) in Dallas, where he was employed. While HARVEY was riding in Frazier's car, American-born LEE Oswald, wearing a white shirt, was seen in Oak Cliff, a suburb of Dallas. J.W. "Dub" Stark was the owner of the Top 10 Record Store located at 338 W. Jefferson, across the street and a block and a half west of the Texas Theater. On December 3, 1963, FBI agent Carl E. Walters wrote a memo to the FBI's SAC (Special Agent in Charge) in Dallas. The memo stated, "On 12/3/63, Mr. John D. Whitten, telephonically advised that he heard Lee Harvey Oswald was in the Top 10 Record Shop on Jefferson on the morning of 11/22/63. Oswald bought a ticket of some kind and left. Then some time later, Oswald returned to the record shop and wanted to buy another ticket." News reporter Earl Golz confirmed this story in his interview with Mr. Stark (notes of Earl Golz). This story was further confirmed by Top 10 Record store employee Louis Cortinas, also in an interview conducted by Earl Golz (notes of Earl Golz). See handwritten notes by Earl Golz from interview with "Dub" Stark.Around 8:30 AM, while HARVEY was working at the TSBD, LEE Oswald entered the Jiffy store at 310 S. Industrial and took two bottles of beer to the counter. Fred Moore, the store clerk, asked Oswald for identification. FBI Special Agent (SA) David Barry interviewed Moore on 12/02/1963. Barry wrote, "identification of this individual arose when he asked him for identification as to proof of age for purchase of two bottles of beer. Moore said he figured the man was over 21 but the store frequently requires proof by reason of past difficulties with local authorities for serving beer to minors. This customer said, 'sure I got ID' and pulled a Texas drivers license from his billfold. Moore said that he noted the name appeared as Lee Oswald or possibly as H. Lee Oswald. As Moore recalled, the birth date on the license was 1939 and he thought it to have been the 10th month." See FBI report on 11/30/63 interview with Fred Moore.
  

President Kennedy is shot and killed

• Minutes before the assassination seven eye witnesses saw two men on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. One of the men was wearing a white or light colored shirt and the other a dark jacket or dark clothing. Most of these witnesses said the man wearing the white shirt looked like (LEE) Harvey Oswald. Several witnesses saw one of the men (light colored shirt) holding a rifle with a scope. Across the street, on the 5th and 6th floors of the county jail, as many as 40 inmates saw two men on the 6th floor "fooling around" with a scope on a rifle about six minutes before the assassination. Attorney Stanley Kaufman represented one of the inmates, Willie Mitchell, and advised the Warren Commission that numerous inmates witnessed the assassination and saw two men on the 6th floor. Kaufman always wondered why the WC never interviewed any of these witnesses.
  
  Mrs. Robert Reid was standing a few feet in front of the front steps to the TSBD when the shooting occurred. She then briefly spoke with with building superintendent Roy Truly and TSBD official O.V. Campbell before returning to her office on the 2nd floor. As she entered the front door of her office, Mrs. Reid saw a man wearing a white t-shirt enter the office from the rear door. She recognized the young man as (LEE) Harvey Oswald and said he was carrying a coke in his right hand. Oswald mumbled something to Mrs. Reid as he walked towards the front door of the office, and then down the front stairs and out of the building.As Mrs. Reid was walking into the TSBD, Dallas Police Department (DPD) officer Marion Baker got off his motorcycle, ran 45 feet to the front steps of the TSBD, and began speaking with Roy Truly. Truly and Baker hurried through the main entrance, through the double doors, and into the first floor warehouse. Truly repeatedly pushed the button to call the west freight elevator, gave up, and he and Truly then ran up the rear stairs. Baker emerged from the stairway onto the second floor and caught a glimpse of HARVEY Oswald through the glass window in the hallway door. Baker drew his pistol and hollered, "Come here." (HARVEY) Oswald, wearing a brown button-down shirt, was confronted by Baker at arms length. WC member Allen Dulles asked Baker, "Did he have a coke?" Baker replied, "No, sir.... No drink at all." After Mr. Truly told Baker that Oswald worked in the building, the two men left the lunchroom and continued running up the stairs. HARVEY Oswald, wearing a brown shirt, walked down the rear stairs, picked up his grey jacket from the domino room, and began walking toward the main entrance. As he was preparing to leave the building he was confronted by Pierce Allman and Terrence Ford (employees of WFAA-TV) who asked for the location of a phone. HARVEY Oswald, when questioned by Capt. Fritz, said that he watched one of the men use the phone as he walked out the foyer.KRLD reporter and future Mayor of Dallas Wes Wise saw Jack Ruby walking around the corner of the Texas School Book Depository a few minutes after the assassination. Across the street Mrs. Louis Velez, and two co-workers, saw Jack Ruby walking up and down the street near the TSBD. When HARVEY Oswald came out of the building, they saw Ruby give a pistol to him (perhaps, as was reported, a pistol with a defective firing pin). The women knew Oswald, who ate with them at a nearby restaurant, and both were acquainted with Jack Ruby. Mrs. Velez told her story of Ruby giving Oswald a pistol to her mother (Mrs. Evelyn Harris), who was interviewed by FBI agent Manning on 11/30/63. Neither Mrs. Velez nor her co-workers were interviewed by the DPD or FBI and given the opportunity to confirm or deny their story. HARVEY Oswald's destination, likely chosen by his handlers, was the Texas Theater.
  

HARVEY, wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt, leaves Dealey Plaza

• After leaving the TSBD, HARVEY Oswald, wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt and carrying a grey flannel jacket, walked east on Elm Street. He saw a city bus as he was approaching Griffin St., walked over to the bus and began pounding on the door. Driver Cecil McWatters opened the door and HARVEY Oswald, and a blond woman, boarded the bus around 12:40 PM. The bus was soon stalled in traffic, and about 4 minutes later Oswald got up from his seat, obtained a bus transfer, and left the bus via the front door. The blond woman left the bus at the same time via the rear door. This blond woman may have been following Oswald, may have followed him to Whaley's cab, and may have been the woman who asked Whaley to call a taxi for her. (HARVEY) Oswald walked three blocks south on Lamar St. toward the Greyhound Bus station and got into William Whaley's taxi. Whaley said, "He wasn't in any hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything." Oswald was wearing a dark brown button-up shirt, a t-shirt, and a grey jacket. As Whaley was driving Oswald toward Oak Cliff, two unidentified police officers boarded McWatters bus with pistols drawn, according to bus passenger Roy Milton Jones. There are no police reports of this incident.As Whaley drove south on Zang Blvd. he passed by Officer J.D. Tippit, who was sitting in his patrol car at the GLOCO station (1502 N. Zang Blvd). (HARVEY) Oswald got out of the taxi on Beckley, walked to his rooming house, and quickly changed clothes in his room. The bus on which HARVEY Oswald was supposed to have ridden had a regular stop at the corner of Zang and Marsalis, across the street from the GLOCO station. Tippit knew HARVEY and LEE, and his assignment on November 22 may have been to transport both men to the Texas Theater. Tippit may have been waiting for (HARVEY) Oswald to get off McWatters' bus so he could then drive him to the Texas Theater. But when HARVEY Oswald failed to get off the bus, Tippit didn't know what to do. He quickly left the GLOCO Station and began following McWatter's bus in his patrol car. At 12:54 PM Tippit reported his position as Lancaster and 8th (Lancaster runs parallel with Marsalis). When the bus crossed Jefferson Blvd., with no Oswald in sight, Tippit turned right and drove two miles (3-4 minutes) to the Top Ten Record Store at 338 W. Jefferson Blvd. He parked his patrol car, entered the store, and asked store clerk Louis Cortinas for permission to make a phone call. Tippit said nothing during the call, hung up the phone, hurried out to his car, and drove north across Jefferson Blvd. (circa 1:00 PM). A few minutes later Tippit, most likely, was in front of HARVEY Oswald's rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley. Tippit signaled to Oswald by honking the horn, and then drove around the corner of Beckley and Zang to wait for HARVEY (circa 1:03).

LEE, wearing a white t-shirt, leaves Dealey Plaza

• After leaving the TSBD LEE Oswald walked west on the Elm Street extension in front of the TSBD and waited. About 10 minutes later a light colored Nash Rambler station wagon, with a chrome luggage rack, pulled over to the curb and stopped. Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig heard a shrill whistle, which attracted his attention, and watched as a young man wearing a white t-shirt walked over to the car and got in. Craig identified the man as (LEE) Harvey Oswald. Marvin Robinson was driving his Cadillac directly behind the Nash Rambler when it suddenly stopped. Robinson saw a white male hurry over to the car and get in. Robinson's employee, Roy Cooper, was following him in a different vehicle and also saw the man hurry over and get into the car. Both men told the FBI the man who got into the Nash Rambler was (LEE) Harvey Oswald, but neither man was interviewed by the WC. Helen Forrest saw the same man run toward the Nash Rambler and get in. She said, "If it wasn't Oswald, it was his identical twin." Helen Forrest was never interviewed by the WC nor was her statement published in the WC volumes. The Nash Rambler was last seen driving under the triple overpass with LEE Oswald,who may have been told by his handlers to meet DPD Officer JD Tippit on 10th St., or perhaps at Lee's apartment at 507 E. 10th.
  

HARVEY, wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt, arrives at the Texas Theater

• While HARVEY was changing clothes in his room, his landlady (Earlene Roberts) saw and heard a DPD patrol car stop in front of the house and honk its horn. Tippit then drove his patrol car a couple hundred feet to Zang Blvd., turned the corner, stopped, and waited for HARVEY. A minute or two later HARVEY Oswald left the rooming house and was last seen at the corner of Beckley and Zang Blvd. by his landlady at 1:04 PM. HARVEY Oswald may have gotten into Tippit's car and ridden with him to the alley behind the Texas Theater at 231 W. Jefferson (1.2 miles/2 minutes). Oswald could have walked sight unseen from the alley, through the narrow passageway adjacent to the theater, and then emerged on Jefferson Blvd only a few yards from theater cashier Julia Postal.
  HARVEY Oswald purchased a ticket from Julia Postal and walked into the theater (circa 1:07 PM). Concession attendant Butch Burroughs said that Oswald arrived between 1:00 PM and 1:07 PM (Officer Tippit was shot around 1:15 PM, according to the Warren Commission). (Click here to see YouTube interview with Burroughs.) Oswald went to the balcony, and a few minutes later walked down the stairs and purchased popcorn from Burroughs. He then walked into the lower level and took a seat next to a pregnant woman. Within a few minutes both Oswald and the woman got up from their seats. Oswald walked into the lobby and then walked back into the lower level and took a seat next to Jack Davis in the first row on the right side. Davis remembered that Oswald sat next to him, in the near empty theater, as the opening credits to the movie began (a few minutes before 1:20 PM). After sitting next to Davis for a few minutes, Oswald got up and walked past empty seats to the small aisle on the right side of the theater and into the concession area. Davis watched (HARVEY) Oswald as he again re-entered the theater and took a seat next to a man on the back row, directly across the aisle from Davis. Within a few minutes (HARVEY) Oswald got up and once again returned to the concession area. He returned a few minutes later and took a seat across the aisle from Mr. Davis, and then moved to another seat on the fourth row. It appeared to Davis as though (HARVEY) Oswald was looking for someone, perhaps a contact. A couple of minutes after (HARVEY) Oswald arrived in the Texas Theater (wearing a dark shirt), LEE Oswald (wearing a white t-shirt) was walking towards Tippit's patrol car on East 10th St., a little over a half-mile away (circa 1:08 PM).East 10th St in Oak CliffAfter getting into the Nash Rambler in Dealey Plaza, but before meeting up with Officer Tippit near 10th & Patton, LEE Oswald had acquired a light colored medium-size jacket (and a gun) which he wore over his white t-shirt. (LEE) Oswald was next seen in the Oak Cliff suburb of Dallas, near the corner of 10th St. & Marsalis a few minutes after 1:00 PM (circa 1:03 PM). LEE Oswald was three blocks north of Jack Ruby's apartment (223 S. Ewing), where he (Oswald) had been seen the night before by a guest of Ruby's next door neighbor (interview with Helen McIntosh). Four blocks from Ruby's apartment was a small, single story house at 511 E. 10th that was owned by attorney Dick Loomis, Sr., and his wife. Mrs. Loomis was a housewife and President of the Oak Cliff Fine Arts Club. She told FBI agents Griffin and Carter that a young couple, who were identical to LEE Harvey and Marina Oswald, lived next door in an apartment at 507 E. 10th (13 apartments) about one week before the assassination. She saw Marina and her infant child in front of her home and recalled that Marina had jet black hair. She said Marina wore very plain clothing and on one occasion wore a light blouse and plaid skirt and on another occasion a dark blouse and the same plaid skirt. She once saw a heavy-set man visit the apartment next door and presumed it was Ruby. FBI agent James Hosty, who never met Oswald face-to-face prior to November 22, 1963, told fellow agent Carver Gayton that he left notes under Oswald's apartment door. But the Warren Commission reported that Oswald lived at either his rooming house (1026 N. Beckley) or at Ruth Paine's house in Irving, TX, neither of which is an apartment. Hosty could have left notes under the door at several of LEE Oswald's previous apartments including 507 E. 10th, 1106 Diceman Avenue, or an apartment in Oak Lawn that Ruby rented for Oswald (DPD informant T-1).
  
  Mr. Clark worked as a barber at the 10th Street Barber Shop, 620 E. 10th, two blocks north of Jack Ruby's apartment. Clark told FBI agent Carl Underhill (11/29/63) that he "had seen a man whom he would bet his life on was Oswald passing the shop in a great hurry and had commented on same to a customer in the chair." (SEE MAP) Construction worker William Lawrence Smith was walking east toward the Town and Country Cafe (604 E 10th) shortly after 1:00 PM. Smith "felt sure that the man who walked by him going west on 10th St. was LEE Harvey Oswald" (interview of Smith by SA Brookhart 1/13/64). Jimmy Burt, 505 E. 10th, was across the street from the construction site where Smith was working and watched the same man as he continued walking west on 10th St. toward Patton. Burt described him (LEE Oswald) as a white male, approximately 5'8", wearing a light short jacket (interview of Burt by SA Christianson and Acklin 12/16/63). William Arthur Smith was with Burt at the time and described the same man he and Burt saw as "a white male, about 5'7" to 5'8", 20 to 25 years of age, 150-160, a white shirt, light brown jacket and dark pants (interview of Smith by SA Ward and Basham 12/13/63). Both Burt and Smith watched this unknown man as he walked toward Patton, approached the squad car, and spoke with Tippit. After the assassination, both men were shown (HARVEY) Oswald's photograph and both men said he was not the man who shot Tippit. At this time, approximately 1:04 PM, "HARVEY Oswald" was a mile away at his rooming house, and was seen by housekeeper Earlene Roberts standing at the the bus stop on the corner of Zang and Beckley.

• LEE Oswald and Officer J.D. TippitWhile HARVEY Oswald was sitting in the darkened Texas Theater, Tippit drove his car slowly to the curb near 10th & Patton and began talking with LEE Oswald (circa 1:08 PM). LEE was the same man Tippit saw at the Dobbs Restaurant two days earlier. Tippit may have been told that his assignment was to pick up LEE Oswald at his apartment (507 E. 10th) or at another location on 10th St., and drive him to the Texas Theater (or another location). They may have discussed this during their brief, "friendly" conversation through the passenger side car window. But the events that soon followed suggest that LEE Oswald's assignment was to kill Tippit (which he did by intentionally shooting him in the head), frame HARVEY for the murder (the wallet held by Capt. Westbrook at the murder scene--a wallet that contained identification for Lee Harvey Oswald), and draw police to the Texas Theater (which he did by not purchasing a ticket and running into the theater). Tippit was one of the few people who knew and came in contact with HARVEY and LEE on November 22, knew where they both lived, and had to be eliminated.
  
  Jack Roy Tatum was driving east on 10th St. As he approached the squad car, Tatum noticed a young white male with both hands in the pockets of his zippered jacket leaning over the passenger side window of the squad car. Tatum said, "It looked as if Oswald and Tippit were talking to each other. There was conversation. It did seem peaceful." Tatum swore, "he had on a light colored zipper jacket, dark trousers and what looked like a t-shirt on." He also remembered Oswald "as having dark hair, dark eyes of medium build and around 5'10." At the point where Tatum drove slowly past Tippit's squad car, he was less than 10 ft from Oswald. Tatum told HSCA investigator Moriarty that he did not see Oswald wearing a brown shirt, just a white T-shirt.Domingo Benavides remembered, "the back of his [Oswald's] head seemed like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapering off. His hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off." (HARVEY) Oswald's hairline, as we know from numerous photographs taken at the police station, extended well down his neck and past his collar line --- it was not "squared off" as described by Benavides. Helen Markham said Oswald was "wearing a light gray looking jacket and kind of dark trousers" (WC testimony, Vol pg 502).

• After talking briefly with LEE Oswald through the rolled-down window, Tippit got out of his patrol car. As he began walking toward the front of the patrol car, LEE Oswald pulled his pistol and began shooting Tippit. After Tippit fell to the ground (LEE) Oswald walked toward him and deliberately shot him in the head (around 1:08-1:09 PM). Witness Helen Markham said the shooting occurred at 1:06 PM. T.F. Bowley was driving west on 10th Street and did not see the shooting. He stopped at the scene a few minutes later and used the police radio to report the shooting. Bowley looked at his watch--the time was 1:10 PM (CE 2003). An original DPD police transcript, found in the National Archives, lists the time of transmission as 1:10 PM. At this time (HARVEY) Oswald was sitting next to Jack Davis at the Texas Theater, a half-mile away.(LEE) Oswald then removed the empty shells from his gun, tossed them on the ground, and began walking south on Patton toward Jefferson Blvd. He walked past taxi driver WW Scoggins, parked near the corner of 10th & Patton, who said Oswald wore dark trousers and a light shirt. As (LEE) Oswald continued walking north on Patton, Ted Callaway saw Oswald and described him to DPD Officer HW Summers as "white male, 27, 5'11", 165 lbs, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light gray Eisenhower type jacket, dark trousers, and a white shirt" (CE 705, pg 27). When interviewed and filmed many years later, Callaway again said, "he had on a white Eisenhower type jacket and a white T-shirt"--once again no brown shirt, just a white T-shirt. The next person to see (LEE) Oswald was Warren Reynolds, part owner of Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot at the corner of Patton and Jefferson Blvd. Reynolds followed Oswald a short distance and last saw him walking past the Ballew Texaco Station. On January 22, 1964, FBI agents Kesler and Mitchem showed a photograph of Lee HARVEY Oswald to Reynolds, at which time he advised the two agents that he would hesitate to definitely identify OSWALD as the individual. A few minutes later Robert and Mary Brock saw (LEE) Oswald as he walked past the Ballew Texaco Station, 600 Jefferson Blvd. Mary said Oswald was wearing "light clothing, a light colored jacket and with his hands in his pocket" (interview of Brock by SAs Kesler and Mitchem 1/22/64). As he walked through the parking area adjacent to the Texaco station, (LEE) Oswald removed his medium-size jacket and threw it under a car, which left him wearing only a white t-shirt. Not one person saw (LEE) Oswald with a long-sleeved brown shirt, but several people saw him wearing a white t-shirt.

LEE Oswald, wearing a white t-shirt, RUNS into the Texas Theater without buying a ticket

• A DPD dispatch at 1:22 PM: "Last seen about the 300 block East Jefferson. He's a white male about 30 5'8." Black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt and dark slacks." Five minutes later, around 1:25-1:30 PM, (LEE) Oswald ran into the Texas Theater without buying a ticket and ran up the stairs to the balcony. Shoe store manager Johnny Brewer was close behind and told Julia Postal (Texas Theater cashier) to call the police. Butch Burroughs said that Brewer first appeared about 20 minutes after he (Burroughs) first saw (HARVEY) Oswald in the theater. Brewer followed LEE Oswald into the theater, but there may be reasons to question his honesty.Johnny Brewer said that he first heard about the shooting of Officer Tippit on the radio at 1:30 PM, but the radio broadcast was much later. Brewer claimed that he saw Oswald, wearing a brown shirt, suspiciously lurking near his doorway. Brewer could not possibly have seen "Oswald" wearing a brown shirt, because HARVEY (brown shirt) had been inside the Texas Theater for the past 20 minutes. Brewer then claimed that he pointed out (HARVEY) Oswald to the police in the theater. Again, this is probably not true. A very close friend of Jack Ruby's, Tommy Rowe, worked at Hardy's Shoe Store with Brewer. In 1964 Rowe told friends, relatives, and JFK researchers that it was he, NOT Brewer, who pointed out (HARVEY) Oswald to the police in the dark of the Texas Theater. Rowe was so close to Jack Ruby that Rowe moved into Ruby's apartment when Ruby went to jail for killing (HARVEY) Oswald. Rowe was never interviewed by the DPD or FBI. If Jack Ruby gave Oswald a defective pistol and then telephoned Rowe with a description of HARVEY Oswald so he could identify HARVEY to the police inside the theater, then Ruby was much more involved in the assassination than we ever imagined.
  While (LEE) Oswald was hiding in the balcony, and (HARVEY) Oswald was sitting in the 4th row in the lower level, Captain Westbrook allegedly found a wallet at the scene of Tippit's murder. There was a wallet and it contained identification for Lee Harvey Oswald and Alek Hidell. FBI agent Bob Barrett saw the wallet and WFAA-TV took newsreel film of the wallet. Who found the wallet?
  A frame from WFAA newsreel footage.
  Eight or nine people walked to Tippit's patrol car and saw him lying on the street. Two ambulance attendants removed Tippit's body. Numerous DPD officers arrived at the scene before Westbrook arrived.But none of these people, not one civilian witness, not the ambulance attendants, not any of the trained police officers, reported seeing a wallet laying on an otherwise empty street. Without proof that someone, anyone, found the wallet and handed it to Capt. Westbrook there is a distinct possibility that Westbrook brought the wallet to the scene of Tippit's murder. After the assassination, Capt. Westbrook retired from the Dallas Police and served as a special advisor to the police in South Vietnam (nearly all "special advisors" to the police in Vietnam were CIA connected).A DPD dispatch at 1:33 PM: "w/m/30 5'8", very slender build, black hair, a white jacket, white shirt and dark slacks." A DPD dispatch at 1:45 PM: "Have information a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson ... supposed to be hiding in balcony." As police began to descend on the Texas Theater they were told by a "young female" (probably Julia Postal) that the man was in the balcony. As several DPD officers began searching the balcony Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson came face to face with a young man who was walking down the stairs to the lobby. Courson said, "that he was reasonably satisfied in his own mind" that this man was (LEE) Oswald. While Courson was walking up the front stairs to the balcony, the police, and Captain Westbrook, were entering the main floor from the rear entrance. The last DPD dispatch reported the suspect was wearing a white shirt, white jacket, and was in the balcony. The suspect (LEE Oswald) in the balcony was wearing a white t-shirt, but had left his light colored jacket under a car at Ballew's Texaco Station.
  

HARVEY Oswald, wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt, is arrested

• Captain Westbrook apparently told DPD officers at 10th & Patton that Lee Harvey Oswald was a suspect. Inside the darkened theater Tommy Rowe (not Johnny Brewer), directed the police to the man wearing the long sleeved dark shirt--HARVEY Oswald. Rowe was a close friend of Jack Ruby and worked at the shoe store with Brewer. The police soon arrested and handcuffed (HARVEY) Oswald. Capt. Westbrook told the officers "get him out of here as fast as you can and don't let anybody see him." DON'T LET ANYONE SEE HIM!! Why?As HARVEY Oswald was taken out the front of the theater a DPD officer told Julia Postal, "we have our man on both counts." Julia said this was the first time she heard of Tippit's death and the officers arresting Oswald had identified him by calling his name --- "Oswald" (interview with Julia Postal by SA Carter 2/28/64). Several police officers knew the name of their suspect before leaving 10th & Patton, thanks to Captain Westbrook. Three police officers were ordered to obtain the names and addresses of all theater patrons. This list soon disappeared, and the possibility of learning the identity of Oswald's contact at the theater, and the identity of the man confronted by Deputy Sheriff Courson, disappeared with it.(HARVEY) Oswald, wearing a brown shirt, was brought out the front entrance of the Texas Theater, placed in a police car and driven to jail. Paul Bentley removed (HARVEY) Oswald's wallet from his left rear pocket en route to the DPD headquarters (along with Officers Carrol, Hill, Walker and Lyons) and found identification for "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "A. J. Hidell"--similar to the identification found in the wallet that was left at the Tippit murder scene. The Dallas Police were now in possession of two wallets, both containing ID for Lee Harvey Oswald. These two wallets could have created serious problems if properly identified as evidence and reported. It should come as no surprise that Capt. Westbrook's wallet disappeared, after DPD Capt. Fritz gave it to FBI agent Hosty on 11/27/63, and one of the Oswalds (LEE) disappeared as well. For a thorough discussion of how the FBI and the Dallas Police deliberately mishandled this evidence, read John Armstrong's 1997 Dallas Conference speech (linked on the home page).
  • NOTE: There were a total of five Oswald wallets: a black plastic wallet (CE 1798); a red billfold found at Ruth Paine's (CE 2003 #382); a brown billfold found at Ruth Paine's (CE 2003 #114); a billfold taken from LHO upon arrest--initialed by HMM (Henry Moore), wallet and contents inventoried and photographed; and the Westbrook wallet, which was not initialed by police, not listed in inventory, not photographed, not mentioned by a single witness to the WC, HSCA, ARRB, etc. and disappeared.
  As (HARVEY) Oswald was en route to the police station, Bernard Haire, owner of a hobby shop two doors from the theater, saw the police escort a man out the rear of the theater. For the next 25 years Mr. Haire and other witnesses thought they had seen the arrest of Oswald. But there is no police report, no record of arrest, nor any mention of a person taken out the rear of the theater. There are, however, many police reports that state Oswald was arrested in the balcony. The police homicide report of Tippit's murder read, "suspect was later arrested in the balcony of the Texas neater at 231 W. Jefferson." See the Dallas Police Homicide Report for "Tippitt, JD"At least two other DPD documents make the same "error." In his report to Captain Gannaway, Dallas Police Detective L.D. Stringfellow wrote: "On November 22, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater, 231 West Jefferson Blvd and was charged with the murder of President John F. Kennedy and the murder of Officer JD Tippit." How could several experienced, career police officers make such a mistake? See L.D. Stringfellow's report.The suspect in the balcony, identified by Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson, was (LEE) Oswald. He was not arrested and was probably the man Mr. Haire saw escorted out the rear of the theater and driven away in a police car. Who assisted LEE Oswald and escorted him out the back of the Texas Theater? Capt. Westbrook had Oswald's wallet at 10th & Patton. Westbrook told DPD officers their suspect was Lee Harvey Oswald before they entered the theater. As HARVEY Oswald was being lead out of the theater Westbrook told his officers, "don't let anybody see him." It is likely that Capt. Westbrook knew about HARVEY and LEE. It is also likely that under Westbrook's direction, LEE Oswald was escorted out the rear of the Texas Theater. Within 24 hours both the wallet and LEE Oswald disappeared.

LEE Oswald, still wearing a white t-shirt, was seen shortly after HARVEY Oswald's arrest

• HARVEY Oswald, sitting in the Dallas jail, now had both the CIA and FBI desperately trying to distance themselves from him, link him with Castro and/or Cuba, frame him for the assassination, hide his true identity, and create a legend that portrayed him as a "lone nut." LEE Oswald was not in jail, and was driving a two-tone blue 1957 Plymouth back and forth on Davis St., six blocks north of the Texas Theater. Oswald soon drove his car behind a large billboard and appeared to be hiding from the police who were patrolling the streets. T.F. White, a career mechanic who worked across the street at Mack Pate's Auto Service, was curious and walked toward the car. The man, sitting in the car with the engine running, was wearing a white t-shirt and looked directly at Mr. White. As White walked toward the car the driver quickly sped away throwing gravel with his rear tires. White wrote the make and model of the car and the license plate number (PP4537) in his notebook.
  
  Mr. White told FBI agent Charles Brown the man driving the car was (LEE) Oswald. The authorities soon determined the license plates were registered to a two-tone blue 1957 Plymouth that was owned by Tippit's best friend, Carl Mather, an employee of Collins Radio (a very important CIA contractor). So, LEE Oswald murdered Tippit and an hour later was driving a car owned by Tippit's best friend, Carl Mather. Wes Wise (later the Mayor of Dallas), accompanied by a CBS reporter, interviewed Carl and Barbara Mather over dinner. Barbara Mather was calm, but Carl Mather was so upset and agitated that he was unable to eat. Years later Carl Mather agreed to be interviewed by the HSCA, but not before insisting on a grant of immunity. Ken Porter, another employee of Collins Radio, quit his job after the assassination, divorced his wife, and married Oswald's widow--Marina. In its report of the Oswald sighting in Mather's car, the FBI changed the two-tone blue 1957 Plymouth to a red Ford Falcon. This allowed Carl Mather's wife, Barbara, to tell the FBI that they had never owned a red car.The fate of HARVEY Oswald, in Dallas Police custody until he was killed by Jack Ruby, is well-known. But LEE Oswald's whereabouts following the assassination become increasingly difficult to follow. One intriguing account of his possible escape from the Dallas area comes from a decorated U.S. Air Force 20-year veteran named Robert Vinson. Vinson said that on the afternoon of November 22 he was a passenger on a nearly deserted C-54 cargo plane that departed from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. Soon after the assassination the plane was diverted and landed on what appeared to be a road under construction near the Trinity River south of Dallas. There, Vinson said, a Jeep carrying two men and a driver pulled up to the plane and the two passengers came aboard. Vinson said the taller man might have been Cuban, and, after he saw televised pictures of Lee HARVEY Oswald, he felt the shorter man "looked an awful lot like Oswald." The flight continued to an Air Force Base in Roswell, New Mexico, where all the passengers deplaned. Vinson said he was told the entire base was on lockdown until later in the evening. Click here for Part 2 of the YouTube interview with Vinson. Additional background information on Vinson is in Part 1 of the interview, also on YouTube.
  

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November 24, 1963: the FBI solves the case

• The same day that Ruby killed (HARVEY) Oswald, FBI Associate Director Clyde Tolson sent a memo to FBI official Alan Belmont. Tolson wrote, "Shanklin said results of the investigation have been reduced to written form and consequently the information will all be available for these two supervisors. We can prepare a memorandum to the Attorney General [Robert Kennedy] to set out the evidence showing that Oswald is responsible for the shooting that killed the President. We will show that Oswald was an avowed Marxist, a former defector to the Soviet union and an active member of the FPCC, which has been financed by Castro. We will set forth the items of evidence which make it clear that Oswald is the man who killed the President." The FBI had already decided that Oswald killed Kennedy.All they needed to do was to make sure the items of evidence and documentation supported their conclusion. FBI official William Sullivan knew the FBI's capabilities and said, "When an enormous organization like the FBI with tremendous power still can sit back and shuffle the deck of cards and pick up the card they want to show you it may be you're not going to get the entire picture as fully as you would otherwise.... If there were documents that possibly he [Hoover] didn't want to come to the light of the public, then those documents no longer exist, and the truth will never be known."Hoover and his FBI would make sure that all evidence given to the WC supported their conclusion that one man, "Lee Harvey Oswald," had assassinated JFK. This is precisely why FBI agent Vince Drain took all evidence collected by the Dallas Police to Washington, DC in the early morning hours of November 23 (approximately 225 items). Three days later, after altering, manipulating, and adding items of "evidence" that would be used to help frame HARVEY Oswald, the FBI returned 455 items of evidence to the Dallas Police. How can we tell which items of "so-called evidence" were added by the FBI? Simply look at any of the 455 item of evidence (CE 2003) and see if that particular item was initialed by Dallas Police detectives, and then see if that item was listed on the DPD inventory sheets (Stoval A & B; Turner #1). Items that have the initials of DPD officers and are listed on the DPD inventory were found by the police. Items that were not initialed by the DPD and not listed on their inventory sheets were added by the FBI in Washington, DC. Very simple.
  
  FBI agent James Hosty was ordered to have no discussions with Oswald and not to investigate his background. On January 27, 1964, less than two months after the Warren Commission was created, member Senator Richard Russell said, "They [FBI] have tried the case and reached a verdict on every count." Warren Commission member Hale Boggs wrote to JFK researcher Harold Weisberg and said, "We have not been told the truth about Oswald." In 1964 the New York Times quoted Chief Justice Earl Warren who said, "Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security." But if Oswald was the lone gunman and if he was not a government agent and if there was no conspiracy, then please tell us, Mr. Chief Justice, why cover up Oswald's background for reasons of National Security?In 1996 former HSCA counsel Robert Tanenbaum told the ARRB, "the major area, and I can't overemphasize this, focused on the government and what the government knew about Lee Harvey Oswald... and what the CIA was doing with Lee Harvey Oswald. And what he was doing in New Orleans with anti-Castro Cubans, rabid anti-Castro Cubans, and to get everything you could get from the government with respect to it. And how this government today could want to hold that information and feed the kind of anti-government feeling that results from non-disclosure is really beyond my comprehension." Mr. Tanenbaum's words were as true and correct today as they were in 1996: WHAT DID THE GOVERNMENT KNOW ABOUT LEE HARVEY OSWALD AND WHAT WAS THE CIA DOING WITH LEE HARVEY OSWALD?
  
  Exposing and understanding the two "Oswalds" will answer many questions relating to the Kennedy assassination, and it will help us understand the capabilities and influence of intelligence agencies. It provides insight as to how and why certain government agencies concealed their knowledge and involvement with HARVEY and LEE Oswald. It helps us understand why witness testimony was ignored, altered, and in some cases omitted. It helps us understand why evidence was altered, fabricated and destroyed. We begin to understand why so many witnesses disappeared, died mysteriously or committed suicide. We realize that HARVEY Oswald could never have been allowed to stand trial, and had to be eliminated. As the years go by more and more pieces to this puzzle fall into place and allow us to better understand who HARVEY and LEE Oswald really were, who created and directed them, and who was responsible for the assassination of John Kennedy.
  

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[Jim Hackett II]

I DL'ed a Black Op Radio interview with Mr. Armstrong.
It is bested only by his book.
The section on the rifle, er, carbine and pistol paper trail deceptions is very, very good.
Not to be missed.
Again Thanks

[Jim DiEugenio]

I actually think that is the best part of John's book.

It convinced me that Oswald never ordered that rifle.

The second best part of his book is the chapter on Mexico City.

It is one of the best and most important essays ever written on the subject along with the Lopez Report, Newman's book,and Newman's essay in Probe.

Anytime someone says we know Oswald was in Mexico, like Albarelli, I refer them to John's book.

[Magda Hassan]

I really want to get a time line happening for the JFK part of the forum. It would be so good to plot Oswald's documented movements as well as Ruby and Tippet. Last time I looked the integrated software was not available.

[Karl Kinaski]

Besides valuable pieces of information (about the Mexico City incidents, for example), Armstrongs concept is trying to merge the several Oswald-Doppelgängers, of which we know (some of them not even resembling LHO) into one long term Ossi-Imposter. A concept as simple as false.
That he put this concept into the greater context of the huge conspiracy in which we on this forum believe, is a trick, to make his false concept more attractive.

I fear, Armstrong is unable to answer questions about the whereabouts of the family members of his artificial "second-long-term" Oswald...

Maybe Armstrong can answer the Olmstead -question:


Armstrongs thesis is:



Two young boys, AMERICAN-BORN Lee Oswald and an eastern European refugee who spoke Russian
and was given the name "Harvey Oswald," were selected by the CIA for inclusion in a super-secret
project known as MK/ULTRA in the early 1950s. The plan was to merge the identity of the two over
a period of years and then, if successful, to place the Russian-speaking refugee with an American
identity into the Soviet Union as a spy

Olmstead replied to that and had a question:

OLMSTEAD REPLIES:
First, there was no need to adopt the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald to provide a "new cover" for the
"refugee". Under Title 10 USC Subtitle C-Navy and Marine Corps Chapter 537, sec 5532 and 5533,
once the "refugee" was 14 years of age, he could enlist in the service under Sec 5533.

If there was no birth certificate for the young boy...the enlisting officer only had to "confirm" that
this individual was who he said he was. It was quite simple to give somebody a new name and a new
life...without involvement of "another". This law was changed after 1964......but was in effect during
the 1948-1964 period.

Why go through all the "trouble"...when things could be done quickly and legally as well as "deep undercover"?
We are still waiting for an answer.

KK