Sean Murphy's research deserves more

[Jim DiEugenio]

Yes, that was established a long time ago that PM was a step below Frazier.

And Frazier is not 6' 3"" tall either.

I saw him in Washington at the AARC conference. Unless he shrunk a lot from 1963, I would estimate he is about 5' 11".

[Albert Doyle]

Yeah, I've seen video of Frazier and he doesn't look as towering as in the Prayer Man shot.

Mr. SHELLEY - Oh, several people were out there waiting to watch the motorcade and I went out to join them.
Mr. BALL - And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill, Sarah Stanton, she's with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady joined us shortly afterwards.

Lloyd Viles seems to be the odd man out here. Any chance Prayer Man is him?

[Bart Kamp]

Albert, he has been discounted almost two years ago.
As posted by Hassan Ysusuf at the old ROKC forum

TSBD employee, Roberta Parker, told the FBI that at the time of the assassination, she was standing across the street from the TSBD with Viles and Delores Kounas:


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...eId=352394


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...eId=341277


Viles confirmed this during his own interview with the FBI:


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...eId=352417


This was also confirmed by Delores Kounas (her interview implies she went across the street with Viles and Parker at about 12:15 pm):


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...eId=352379


William Shelley testified that Viles was outside, but didn't say where he was standing:

[Albert Doyle]

Thanks. Looks like it wasn't Viles.


While I guess it could technically be Oswald I don't think it is because too many people would have seen him. It's almost impossible that Oswald would be right there in the open, mingle amongst Truly and Baker in the entrance, and not be leaked by someone - even with gag orders.

No death bed confession from one of the witnesses?

[Bob Prudhomme]

Why is it accepted as fact that Marion Baker actually entered the front of the TSBD? Are there any films of him entering the door? Outside of Truly, Shelley and Lovelady, did any witnesses state they saw a helmeted motorcycle officer enter the front door of the TSBD?

[Albert Doyle]

How did Baker get the unavailability of the elevators right? Or the window in the lunchroom door?



Would Baker run towards the Depository and not go in?



And if he didn't would there be no witnesses to say he never went in?

[Bob Prudhomme]

"And if he didn't would there be no witnesses to say he never went in?"

How any negatives can you fit into one sentence? I'm not even sure it's possible to answer that question.

If he did not go in, I'm sure no one would notice. People tend to notice things that happen more than things that don't happen.

Regardless of what Baker knew about elevators and the 2nd floor lunch room, find me a witness on the TSBD steps that, when questioned about this by WC lawyers, could actually recall Baker going up the steps and entering the TSBD.

[Albert Doyle]

How any negatives can you fit into one sentence? I'm not even sure it's possible to answer that question.

If he did not go in, I'm sure no one would notice. People tend to notice things that happen more than things that don't happen.

Regardless of what Baker knew about elevators and the 2nd floor lunch room, find me a witness on the TSBD steps that, when questioned about this by WC lawyers, could actually recall Baker going up the steps and entering the TSBD.

Well how did he know about those two particular Depository situations? Those are questions you have to ask when analyzing such things. Did someone tell Baker don't forget to mention the window in the lunchroom door?


The Baker dash into the Depository is pretty well-known. I find it hard to believe that of all the people in the entrance not one would chime in that Baker actually stayed outside and never went in. Concealing this would make sense in the context of concealing Oswald being Prayer Man. However that isn't a given and it wouldn't make sense in any normal context. What you are saying is JFK assassination history has Baker going inside. You suggest Baker didn't go inside and no one felt any need to comment. That doesn't sound right to me.

[Bob Prudhomme]

How any negatives can you fit into one sentence? I'm not even sure it's possible to answer that question.

If he did not go in, I'm sure no one would notice. People tend to notice things that happen more than things that don't happen.

Regardless of what Baker knew about elevators and the 2nd floor lunch room, find me a witness on the TSBD steps that, when questioned about this by WC lawyers, could actually recall Baker going up the steps and entering the TSBD.

Well how did he know about those two particular Depository situations? Those are questions you have to ask when analyzing such things. Did someone tell Baker don't forget to mention the window in the lunchroom door?


The Baker dash into the Depository is pretty well-known. I find it hard to believe that of all the people in the entrance not one would chime in that Baker actually stayed outside and never went in. Concealing this would make sense in the context of concealing Oswald being Prayer Man. However that isn't a given and it wouldn't make sense in any normal context. What you are saying is JFK assassination history has Baker going inside. You suggest Baker didn't go inside and no one felt any need to comment. That doesn't sound right to me.

All the film footage of Baker stops just before he reaches the bottom of the steps. Joe Molina and Wesley Frazier were both standing at the top of the steps, and when asked if they saw a white helmeted police officer enter the front of the TSBD, replied no. Eddie Piper was on the 1st floor over by the elevators (this has been questioned, too) and testified that Roy Truly might have been in the company of an FBI agent. Funny the helmet and boots didn't give Baker away.

As I said, find me a witness who testified to seeing Baker and Truly entering the front of the TSBD together.

[Gordon Gray]

I don't think it unusual that no one would remember Oswald as prayer man. He didn't make much of an impression on his co workers to begin with. He kept to himself, etc. If he just stuck his head out the door as the motorcade approached no one would be looking in that corner, and as the shots rang out certainly no one would be focused there. The only person who might have noticed Oswald there, was Frazier, and there are plenty of questions about him and his testimony. Baker first statement never mentioned the 2cnd floor lunch room and Oswald per se, and he was sitting in the same room as Oswald when he made it, so I think much of what he later said as to be taken as baloney. The whole lunch room encounter was invented after the fact when it became necessary to incriminate Oswald as the lone nut.