Doug Horne's recently uploaded Altered History FFF videos

[Peter Lemkin]

It's outrageous that the 6th Floor Museum would be allowed to restrict Horne from showing the Zapruder Film. What is Gary Mack afraid of?

THE TRUTH! [size=12][...nor would his masters allow that either]
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[Peter Lemkin]

I have always been impressed by formal naval officer Douglas Horne in the few things I have read about his work with the ARRB, like showing evidence that more than one brain was used in the brain examinations and thus that there were problems there, and was hopeful that he would do more. I didn't know he was a history major in college and a historian and that he continued his work on the assassination after the ARRB, as the videos and his book show he has done.

Doug lays it all out in these videos in no uncertain terms. Everyone should see these videos. In them Doug hints at a documentary series people in Hollywood are working on. I have no doubt it will not be able to be smeared as fiction with Doug involved.

Doug does real solid research - and was [thank goodness] at the right place at the right time - so knows about much of this from 'being there'! Its a great summary of some of the more important proofs of conspiracy at the highest levels - and laid out in a reasonable, clear, logical manner. Sadly, the whole fairy tale of Dallas is SO complex, it takes at least several hours to give a thumbnail sketch - which is well beyond the attention span of most Americans - who've been trained to get the 'full' 'story' to anything in a few second soundbite.

Tony, the 911 Truth community would do well to produce something similar to this on that topic. Interestingly, the Northwood narrative and some other facts would remain the same....for IMHO the same powers behind the visible government were involved in both - and more...much more! The false flag operation that was 911 never could have been pulled off if the false-flag operation that was Dallas had been exposed more generally long ago. The only way we'll stop the next big false-flag operation is to expose both of these Big Lies - and the others before, between, and since.

[Tony Szamboti]

I have always been impressed by formal naval officer Douglas Horne in the few things I have read about his work with the ARRB, like showing evidence that more than one brain was used in the brain examinations and thus that there were problems there, and was hopeful that he would do more. I didn't know he was a history major in college and a historian and that he continued his work on the assassination after the ARRB, as the videos and his book show he has done.

Doug lays it all out in these videos in no uncertain terms. Everyone should see these videos. In them Doug hints at a documentary series people in Hollywood are working on. I have no doubt it will not be able to be smeared as fiction with Doug involved.

Doug does real solid research - and was [thank goodness] at the right place at the right time - so knows about much of this from 'being there'! Its a great summary of some of the more important proofs of conspiracy at the highest levels - and laid out in a reasonable, clear, logical manner. Sadly, the whole fairy tale of Dallas is SO complex, it takes at least several hours to give a thumbnail sketch - which is well beyond the attention span of most Americans - who've been trained to get the 'full' 'story' to anything in a few second soundbite.

Tony, the 911 Truth community would do well to produce something similar to this on that topic. Interestingly, the Northwood narrative and some other facts would remain the same....for IMHO the same powers behind the visible government were involved in both - and more...much more! The false flag operation that was 911 never could have been pulled off if the false-flag operation that was Dallas had been exposed more generally long ago. The only way we'll stop the next big false-flag operation is to expose both of these Big Lies - and the others before, between, and since.

Peter, I fully agree that had the real perpetrators behind the Kennedy assassination been fully exposed we would not have had to suffer a similarly massive fraudulent event like 911. I have been very interested in the Kennedy assassination for years, have long believed it was a high level conspiracy and essentially a coup de etat, and would very much like the debate to be fully settled. I do think Douglas Horne's approach to breaking the divide by focusing on the forensic/medical evidence is the way to do it and believe he shows that clearly in these videos and his book. This focus discredits the one remaining thing the Warren Commission conclusion adherents have for their position, and that is the nature of the wounds observed at the autopsy.

I was able to contribute something to the JFK assassination investigation from a scientific perspective and it concerns a refutation of Luis Alvarez's postulation that a jet effect was responsible for the back and to the left movement with the head shot coming from the rear. Do you know about my paper on it? If not, it is on the Internet on the JFK Lancer site here http://jfklancer.com/pdf/Jet_Effect_Rebu...-2012).pdf It is actually a second version of the paper. The first version was published in 1999 and the second was done in 2012 to make it easier to understand and keep things more on point.

I think Doug Horne is a very sound thinker and was glad to hear him explain that the head movement observed in the extant Zapruder film is faster than it would have been in reality due to the excising of frames to eliminate the material coming from the exit wound in the back of the head. Another point he makes is that they simply couldn't eliminate the body movement and thus had to suppress the film. I have realized these things myself for years and am glad he is explaining them to a larger audience. Many WC apologists try to dismiss the frontal shot by saying the bullet could not have had enough momentum to cause the rearward movement at the speed observed. Momentum is mass x velocity and the actual transfer of momentum from a bullet striking the right front of the president's head would cause a backward and to the left movement, just not as fast as observed in the altered film.

[Albert Doyle]

The Horne videos are prima facie evidence of a conspiracy.

[Peter Lemkin]

I have always been impressed by formal naval officer Douglas Horne in the few things I have read about his work with the ARRB, like showing evidence that more than one brain was used in the brain examinations and thus that there were problems there, and was hopeful that he would do more. I didn't know he was a history major in college and a historian and that he continued his work on the assassination after the ARRB, as the videos and his book show he has done.

Doug lays it all out in these videos in no uncertain terms. Everyone should see these videos. In them Doug hints at a documentary series people in Hollywood are working on. I have no doubt it will not be able to be smeared as fiction with Doug involved.

Doug does real solid research - and was [thank goodness] at the right place at the right time - so knows about much of this from 'being there'! Its a great summary of some of the more important proofs of conspiracy at the highest levels - and laid out in a reasonable, clear, logical manner. Sadly, the whole fairy tale of Dallas is SO complex, it takes at least several hours to give a thumbnail sketch - which is well beyond the attention span of most Americans - who've been trained to get the 'full' 'story' to anything in a few second soundbite.

Tony, the 911 Truth community would do well to produce something similar to this on that topic. Interestingly, the Northwood narrative and some other facts would remain the same....for IMHO the same powers behind the visible government were involved in both - and more...much more! The false flag operation that was 911 never could have been pulled off if the false-flag operation that was Dallas had been exposed more generally long ago. The only way we'll stop the next big false-flag operation is to expose both of these Big Lies - and the others before, between, and since.

Peter, I fully agree that had the real perpetrators behind the Kennedy assassination been fully exposed we would not have had to suffer a similarly massive fraudulent event like 911. I have been very interested in the Kennedy assassination for years, have long believed it was a high level conspiracy and essentially a coup de etat, and would very much like the debate to be fully settled. I do think Douglas Horne's approach to breaking the divide by focusing on the forensic/medical evidence is the way to do it and believe he shows that clearly in these videos and his book. This focus discredits the one remaining thing the Warren Commission conclusion adherents have for their position, and that is the nature of the wounds observed at the autopsy.

I was able to contribute something to the JFK assassination investigation from a scientific perspective and it concerns a refutation of Luis Alvarez's postulation that a jet effect was responsible for the back and to the left movement with the head shot coming from the rear. Do you know about my paper on it? If not, it is on the Internet on the JFK Lancer site here http://jfklancer.com/pdf/Jet_Effect_Rebu...-2012).pdf It is actually a second version of the paper. The first version was published in 1999 and the second was done in 2012 to make it easier to understand and keep things more on point.

I think Doug Horne is a very sound thinker and was glad to hear him explain that the head movement observed in the extant Zapruder film is faster than it would have been in reality due to the excising of frames to eliminate the material coming from the exit wound in the back of the head. Another point he makes is that they simply couldn't eliminate the body movement and thus had to suppress the film. I have realized these things myself for years and am glad he is explaining them to a larger audience. Many WC apologists try to dismiss the frontal shot by saying the bullet could not have had enough momentum to cause the rearward movement at the speed observed. Momentum is mass x velocity and the actual transfer of momentum from a bullet striking the right front of the president's head would cause a backward and to the left movement, just not as fast as observed in the altered film.

Well we certainly agree on Horne's great depth of knowledge and good presentation style. I just read your paper refuting the 'jet-effect' (that was demonstrated on melons). Good work, and interesting to know you were also involved in JFK assassination work before you current 911 Truth research. The melon model reminds me of the NIST models for the towers at the WTC....some things don't change when there is a Big Lie being told. Personally, I'm looking forward to Peter Dale Scott's book [due out sometime in November] that will again have him tying together Dallas, with Iran-Contra/drugs, with the wars, with 911, with COG, and with the National Security State and big money Oligarchs having put us where we now are and have been headed full steam ahead since, at least, the end of the Second World War (though I believe it was put in motion long before).

Your statement:

I fully agree that had the real perpetrators behind the Kennedy assassination been fully exposed we would not have had to suffer a similarly massive fraudulent event like 911.

is all too true...and with almost mathematical proof logic it follows that not exposing the real perpetrators of 911 will surely sooner than later find us being subjected to another new false-flag operation, complete with patsies and cover-up, with yet more shock and awe. This entire exercise in cypto-fascism really has to be stopped - and soon! We've had a number of coup d'etats - some involved assassinations of political figures and others were large-scale staged (but false-flag) terror events. I'll spare everyone my rather long list. 11/22/63 and 9/11/01 are just two important 'biggies' - but there are a host of others of all sizes and 'flavors' that have been perpetrated on a somewhat gullible, propagandized and bedazzled populace. Once one sees through the fog of psywar, however, one never sees America or History quite the same again......

[Gordon Gray]

Horne has indeed done fine work. I do have a couple of questions. If the wounds had been altered prior to the beginning of the autopsy proper at 8:15, how come the FBI agents described them as identical to the Parkland observers? Also listening to Robinson's HSCA interview, he seems quite adamant that the small temple wound was not a bullet wound.