Declassified: The CIA "Oswald" and Mexico City

[David Josephs]

Isn't the point of this entire thread to bring home the point that the evidence of Oswald's travel to and from Mexico City, as well as his stay in Mexico City were created/compiled for the FBI by a high ranking asset in the Gobernacion.

That Hoover knew he was being played by the CIA and Oswald was exactly where he knew he was - in Dallas with 2 Cubans visiting Odio among other things he did that week.

The FBI loses contact with Oswald with Kaack writing that he thinks Oswald went to Irving with Marina as of the 24th of Sept.
We have no other report for Oswald's whereabouts until Kaack's Oct 31/Nov 1 report

The FBI created a literal mountain of paper within which to hide the facts about Oswald. The FBI would never had brought Oswald up themselves... so Goodpasture did it instead in order to accomplish a variety of goals.

What becomes difficult are things like his supposed weapons. Oswald did not pack a rifle and pistol in Ruth's car, nor did he take anything large enough in which to hide the rifle.

There was no rifle unloaded or even seen at the Paine house according to Ruth and Michael. (It's these small details which undermine the story the FBI tells. We are supposed to believe that he wraps a rifle in the blanket his daughter plays upon most of the time and remains hidden even after unloading - not to mention things like the clip, ammo, cleaning supplies, etc... When does Marina tell the story of his coming home from the Post Office with a 5 foot cardboard box?)

Bowen/Osbourne denies having sit next to an Oswald or any English speaking people on the buses involved.
There is a long list of people who supposedly saw and interacted with Oswald going to and from Mexico - in my series at CTKA I address and illustrate the deceptions involved with all of them.



The WC sided with Hoover and his Mexico City assets

[Phil Dagosto]

The FBI created a literal mountain of paper within which to hide the facts about Oswald. The FBI would never had brought Oswald up themselves... so Goodpasture did it instead in order to accomplish a variety of goals.

I've been reading Goodpasture's testimony to the HSCA and the AARB. I don't, for a second, buy her "What, poor little old me?" act and she clearly lied about the photos, the transcripts, the reason for not mentioning the visits to the Cuban embassy (by whomever was pretending to be Oswald those days). What I can't figure out is how big a player she was. Clearly she was working closely with Phillips but how much do you think he told her? Was she in on the plot or was she duped into framing Oswald as a Castro or KGB agent for some other purpose( the anti-FPFC campaign or some other sensitive operation)? I have read that she was secretly one of William Harvey's operatives which would argue for her being in on the plot.

I've also read Phillips' testimony and was struck by the fact that he was apparently made head of Cuban operations at the MC station in mid-1963 on the recommendation of Desmond Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald, as I understand it, was one of the CIA guys that had discussed the Valkyrie plot with the Joint Chiefs of Staff in conjunction with the Castro overthrow plans. Some very interesting "coincidences" there.

[David Josephs]

The FBI created a literal mountain of paper within which to hide the facts about Oswald. The FBI would never had brought Oswald up themselves... so Goodpasture did it instead in order to accomplish a variety of goals.

I've been reading Goodpasture's testimony to the HSCA and the AARB. I don't, for a second, buy her "What, poor little old me?" act and she clearly lied about the photos, the transcripts, the reason for not mentioning the visits to the Cuban embassy (by whomever was pretending to be Oswald those days). What I can't figure out is how big a player she was. Clearly she was working closely with Phillips but how much do you think he told her? Was she in on the plot or was she duped into framing Oswald as a Castro or KGB agent for some other purpose( the anti-FPFC campaign or some other sensitive operation)? I have read that she was secretly one of William Harvey's operatives which would argue for her being in on the plot.

I've also read Phillips' testimony and was struck by the fact that he was apparently made head of Cuban operations at the MC station in mid-1963 on the recommendation of Desmond Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald, as I understand it, was one of the CIA guys that had discussed the Valkyrie plot with the Joint Chiefs of Staff in conjunction with the Castro overthrow plans. Some very interesting "coincidences" there.

As far as I can tell - there are no coincidences in this case...

Anne Goodpasture

While I do not agree with everything he presents, you might Google "State Secret by Bill Simpich" for an incredibly in depth look at what Goodpasture may have been doing & who she and everyone else was: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Featur...eface.html

State Secret Ch 4:

"The most important person to watch, however, for our purposes, is case officer Ann Goodpasture. She had a guiding hand in both of these tap operations, the photo operations, and most of the other significant station activities. On two occasions, she was brought in by the Agency to compile a history of the station's actions during this era. Sometimes described as Win Scott's principal aide, she is a force majeur in any review of the station's actions involving Oswald. Goodpasture was good friends with both Bill Harvey and James Angleton. She was ranked as an outstanding officer, yet she committed a series of inexplicable acts in the handling of the Oswald file. As discussed herein, she has tried to dismiss these actions as mistakes. I think her actions were intentional, and not mistaken."

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I did 6 lengthy articles on the Mexico Trip - I show how and what Goodpasture did where Bill goes into why it was done from his POV.
http://www.ctka.net/2015/chapter6_3c.pdf is the one where I address Goodpasture and show that there were no photos taken Oct 1 and the Mystery man photo in evidence is actually from Oct 4th with evidence stating this same man was at the embassy again on Oct 15th...

Hoover knew it was all BS... so he created the evidence to support the CIA's story... the only answer to WHY he did that - for me - is he was protecting the FBI

[Scott Kaiser]

The CIA claimed the actual voice recording of the telephone conversation was destroyed in routine destruction procedures approximately one week after it was received, yet more then seven weeks later the FBI claimed to have heard the telephone conversation the CIA destroyed. J. Edgar Hoover on November 23, 1963 advised that on October 1, 1963 and extremely sensitive source reported that an individual identified as Oswald contacted the Soviet Embassy in Mexico inquiring as to any messages.

Special agents of this Bureau who have conversed with Oswald in Dallas Texas observed photographs of the individual referred to and have listened to a recorded voice. These special agents are under the opinion that the referenced individual was not Lee Harvey Oswald. The House investigators began to wonder whether the CIA, in an attempt, possibly tried to conceal any real activities Oswald may have had in Dallas.

On or before November 21, 1963 Richard Poyle under the direction of Oliver Fortson and directed by CIA station chief Win Scott asked that Poyle be immediately transported to Mexico under high security alert, Poyle was to use a cover story to meet his wife in Mexico for his travel, however, Poyle's wife was still in Miami.

Many of the Cubans in Miami who knew and worked with Richard Poyle said Poyle had a "canny resemblance to Lee Oswald." Photographs of Poyle have never been disseminated for comparison regarding the photos taken in Mexico, now, at my request, and for the first time ever Poyle's photos may just become public. Certain individuals have implied they have his photograph stored in their albums.

[Scott Kaiser]

^Edited, and, DVP. I promise not to say, I told you so!

[Tom Scully]

RE:And the truth....

But you do not seem to be telling it accurately...... you display the Trumpian tendency to ignore that this is a major problem you repeatedly exhibit. Own what you claim or admit you are mistaken when it is proven that you are wrong!

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...post116345

Originally Posted by Scott Kaiser

The result is you display conceit, defensiveness, and anger.


Have you ever asked yourself why? Perhaps, it's because I can't get threw to hard headed folks?

You said,

"It appears Poyle did not officially have a sister-in-law until a year after the 1973 meeting covered in your presentation, as he married a Cuban national in 1974."

But, I can prove he was married at the time Kennedy was assassinated, and Poyle never did get divorced or remarry.



Scott, you are a gift that keeps on giving.....




Anita's name was actually RUEDIGER. She has remarried.... last address was in Florida....

[Albert Doyle]

Not sure what you are showing there Tom since they are different names.

[Scott Kaiser]

Not sure what you are showing there Tom since they are different names.

Tom and his wondrous work never seems to amaze me.

You are right Albert, the real Poyle still lives in Fla. and is 83-84.

Tom just doesn't get it but then again, I always prove him to be wrong and I've gotten very good at it, in-fact, it's now become fun and enjoyable.

[Scott Kaiser]

Well, that was the last time I checked, I do know he's in his mid to upper 80s now. Not quite as old as Eugenio, he's 93.

[Scott Kaiser]

Tom is trying to prove that Poyle was first married to Georgina then divorced her in 67. Then re-martied Anita, lol...

Nice try Tom! But seriously nice try.