Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened

[Jim DiEugenio]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about the alleged lunch room encounter between Baker, Truly, and Oswald?

Why is someone allowed to hijack the thread to work off his own frustrations about the Prayer Man issue?

And why does this person have to drag me into it, just like he did over at that SBT Oswald endorsing fruit, Duncan McRae's?

My last comment was about why I think Frazier was suborned about the rifle story--that was it.

But this person is so jaundiced and poisoned against everyone who disagrees with him, that he needs to strike out at even tangential comments when they do not go his way.

I hope he doesn't find out where i live. Maybe I should alert the FBI? ::

[Mark A. O'Blazney]

Oh, Jim !!! Albert has lost all his respect for you. What shall you ever do? How can you recover?

2nd floor encounter? It was a dude taking pictures with a camera!! Nobody stays on topic here, so why does it matter? Totally convoluted.

[Jim DiEugenio]

They are not at all misplaced words.

I posted at that PM thread simply to indicate the problems with Frazier's testimony about the gun sack, which probably originate from his arrest, detention, and lie detector test.

That was it. And I invite anyone here to go look at what I wrote there. I did not comment at all on the PM issue. If someone can show I did in that post, please extract the evidence.

As per the issue that Doyle has gone over the edge about, I wrote a long time ago that I was not going to participate in it anymore since it had become politicized and polarized due to the efforts of Duncan McRae. I will not go through all of that anymore, since anyone can find out about it if they wish.

So as far as I am concerned, the issue is muddled until someone extracts a better copy of the films. Which people at ROKC are trying to do. I know that for a fact. Are Mr. Doyle and Duncan trying to do this? Please show us how?

My question remains: Why is Doyle allowed to hijack this thread for his own purposes to argue his PM ideas when this thread is not about PM? Its about the second floor lunch encounter.

[Lauren Johnson]

My question remains: Why is Doyle allowed to hijack this three for his own purposes to argue his PM ideas when this thread is not about PM? Its about the second floor lunch encounter.

Good point. No more direct or indirect references to the subject matter in that Bear Pit thread.

[Lauren Johnson]

Oh, Jim !!! Albert has lost all his respect for you. What shall you ever do? How can you recover?

::hobbyhorse:: ::noblesteed::::

I've been moving those posts to the PM thread.

[Albert Doyle]

Where we were in the lunchroom encounter is Bill Miller did a pretty good job of showing that Baker and Truly did run in to the Depository immediately as seen in the films. Joe Molina was the key witness who placed Truly entering 20-30 seconds after the shots. Miller did a good job of showing Piper and West then saw Truly and Baker run-in in a continuation of Molina's witnessing. Ochus Campbell made a clear description of seeing Baker and Truly run in to the Depository. Some say that Campbell never specifically said "Baker" but said "officer" instead. This is the kind of disingenuous assertion that is being honored by the less than honest posters. To sensible people it was obviously Baker because Baker was the only officer it could possibly be. A denial of reality is being entertained and enforced because the films show Baker was the only officer in range for that 20-30 second witnessing.

[Jim DiEugenio]

Thanks Lauren.

Mark, thanks for the humor.

[LR Trotter]

Oh, Jim !!! Albert has lost all his respect for you. What shall you ever do? How can you recover?

2nd floor encounter? It was a dude taking pictures with a camera!! Nobody stays on topic here, so why does it matter? Totally convoluted.

WHEN was WHAT dude taking pictures ​WHERE with ​WHICH camera?

[LR Trotter]

[size=12]Why couldn't the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter have happened? LeeHarveyOswald said it happened. RoySansomTruly said it happened. DPD Officer MarrionLewisBaker said it happened. Has anyone who was in or within view of the 2nd floor lunchroom at about 12:32pm, CST, 11/22/'63 testified/stated that it did not happen?[/SIZE]

I continue to wonder, as I forever wander, and listen to the sounds...of silence.

As I continue to wander, I continue to wonder at the roar... of silence.

[Ray Mitcham]

[quote=LR Trotter][quote=LR Trotter][size=12]Why couldn't the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter have happened? LeeHarveyOswald said it happened. RoySansomTruly said it happened. DPD Officer MarrionLewisBaker said it happened. Has anyone who was in or within view of the 2nd floor lunchroom at about 12:32pm, CST, 11/22/'63 testified/stated that it did not happen?[/SIZE]

Perhaps you can tell us where Oswald said the encounter happened in the second floor lunchroom.


This was from Holmes.
Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?
Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule.
Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule?
Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
...
Mr. HOLMES. There was a commotion outside, which he later rushed downstairs to go out to see what was going on. He didn't say whether he took the stairs down. He didn't say whether he took the elevator down.
But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.
He mentioned something about a coke. But a police officer asked him who he was, and just as he started to identify himself, his superintendent came up and said, "He is one of our men." And the policeman said, "Well, you step aside for a little bit."
Then another man rushed in past him as he started out the door, in this vestibule part of it, and flashed some kind of credential and he said, "Where is your telephone, where is your telephone, and said I am so and so, where is your telephone."
And he said, "I didn't look at the credential. I don't know who he said he was, and I just pointed to the phone and said, 'there it is,' and went on out the door."

Ochus Campbell
"Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside watching the parade. We saw him (Oswald) in a small storage room on the ground floor. Then we noticed he was gone." Mr Campbell added: "Of course he and the others were on their lunch hour but he did not have permission to leave the building and we haven't seen him since."

Since there was nobody else on the second floor, other than Truly and Baker (if they were ever there), how could there be any other testimony? And Baker's first day affidavit said the encounter took place on the third or fourth floor and the guy was "walking away from the stairway" not in the lunchroom. How did that change to seeing him through the window in the lunchroom door?