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Max Holland and Donald Carpenter vs Jim Garrison and the ARRB
#41
Truth or consequence? Did Willard organize and fund the assassination? Just what the hell are you trying to say Scully?
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#42
Jim, wasn't it McCord running FPCC? Wasn't Banister reporting to McCord? And, while everyone is running around searching for what they can find wasting time in N.O.? It all started in Miami. Even Watergate started in Miami.
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#43
It was, after all, inevitable, certain to happen for Garrison, that Garrison would get discredited with his investigations, but why? If you think the United States is having problems with Russia NOW over Syria. Can you imagine how things would have been over Cuba 50 plus years ago? Try plugging that into your thought processor?

New Orleans was nothing more than [smoke & mirrors] when it came to investigating Oswald and connecting anything in N.O. to Oswald, it's like trying to fit a size 12 foot into a size 10.5 tennis shoe, you're trying to make something out of nothing, and it just doesn't fit.

It's like saying we have a tape of Oswald calling the Russian Embassy, we have photos of Oswald at the Embassy, but when it's time to produce, it's all smoke and mirrors, nothings there, but... You keep searching anyways.
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#44
I wish Scully would explain what he means more clearly. If the Country Club was a safe sanctuary for Intel cooperators what does that have to do with anything?
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#45
Albert Doyle Wrote:I wish Scully would explain what he means more clearly. If the Country Club was a safe sanctuary for Intel cooperators what does that have to do with anything?

Scully's work is to dump a bunch of information all over the place as if there's something there. Then!... You're suppose to figure out what the hell he's saying, unlike someone I know who just provides information.
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#46
First of all, the guy's name is Willard Robertson and he was a car dealer in New Orleans.

He did not organize and fund INCA. And you can find that out by reading, among other things, the work of New Orleans historian and archivist Arthur Carpenter. Or going to the Royal New Orleans Collection and looking at the papers of Dr. Alton Ochsner.

The guy who originated INCA was former advertising executive Ed Butler. Butler was transitioning from that field to being an anti communist propaganda expert. Ochsner was a reactionary wealthy physician who was eager to enlist for such causes. He was the original funder. And if you look at those documents at the Royal New Orleans Collection, you will see that is how it got started with Butler pitching Ochsner. I was there, sitting down with boxes of that stuff. Carpenter had also done it.

Willard Robertson was not anywhere near as wealthy or influential or powerful or connected as Ochsner was. He ended up being a contributor to INCA, as did other wealthy New Orleanians--and it was at the behest of Ochsner. I have seen the letters. When Garrison began to discover the connections between Butler and Banister and Clay Shaw, Butler left New Orleans for Los Angeles. He then did propaganda work to cover up the RFK case. Meanwhile, Ochsner formed a secret group made up of media people, plus former FBI agent Aaron Kohn, that now began to target Garrison in the local press, because Ochsner feared he would be called before the grand jury.

As for Truth and Consequences, this group lasted about a month or two. Garrison was operating for months before them, and he operated for years after them. They are absolutely inconsequential to Garrison's inquiry. Tom fell for some heavy disinformation from Carpenter. About who, Wallace Milam said to me, "I knew where he was headed from the beginning." As anyone can from reading his completely obsolete and worthless article.
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#47
See, I had no knowledge of what any of this information is about. I suppose I patiently waited to find out, and with the help from Jim, he clearly exposed what I revealed above, bottom-line, and according to Jim's research Jim says;

Quote:Butler was transitioning from that field to being an anti communist propaganda expert.

If I were to take an educated guess, I'd say it has something to do with Cuba, bottom-line? Maybe?
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#48
Butler began his leadership role with INCA by propagandizing against Castro and the Soviet Union. These were the targets of his so called Truth Tapes.

When he went to Los Angeles, he targeted the whole hippie movement and counterculture.

After Garrison was out of the DA's office, he returned to New Orleans. There, he founded a rightwing radio show which targeted the Sandinistas. It was at this time that Ed Haslam visited his station, and quite by accident, he discovered that Butler had possession of some of Banister's files. Garrison was correct. For if one recalls, Butler was instrumental in the so called radio debate with Oswald and Bringuier. Where Oswald was "exposed" as a defector and more importantly, he slipped up and said he was supported by the State Department while in Russia.

While Bringuier was bringing this up in the local press within 24 hours of the assassination, Butler had been flown up to Washington, and was talking to the Senate version of the Unamerican activities committee, Thomas Dodd's SISS, which investigated such things as the FPCC. The obvious intent was to make the assassination look like it was communist inspired.
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#49
I think I remember reading all that in Destiny Betrayed...
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#50
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:First of all, the guy's name is Willard Robertson and he was a car dealer in New Orleans.

He did not organize and fund INCA. And you can find that out by reading, among other things, the work of New Orleans historian and archivist Arthur Carpenter. Or going to the Royal New Orleans Collection and looking at the papers of Dr. Alton Ochsner.

The guy who originated INCA was former advertising executive Ed Butler. Butler was transitioning from that field to being an anti communist propaganda expert. Ochsner was a reactionary wealthy physician who was eager to enlist for such causes. He was the original funder. And if you look at those documents at the Royal New Orleans Collection, you will see that is how it got started with Butler pitching Ochsner. I was there, sitting down with boxes of that stuff. Carpenter had also done it.

Willard Robertson was not anywhere near as wealthy or influential or powerful or connected as Ochsner was. He ended up being a contributor to INCA, as did other wealthy New Orleanians--and it was at the behest of Ochsner. I have seen the letters. When Garrison began to discover the connections between Butler and Banister and Clay Shaw, Butler left New Orleans for Los Angeles. He then did propaganda work to cover up the RFK case. Meanwhile, Ochsner formed a secret group made up of media people, plus former FBI agent Aaron Kohn, that now began to target Garrison in the local press, because Ochsner feared he would be called before the grand jury.

As for Truth and Consequences, this group lasted about a month or two. Garrison was operating for months before them, and he operated for years after them. They are absolutely inconsequential to Garrison's inquiry. Tom fell for some heavy disinformation from Carpenter. About who, Wallace Milam said to me, "I knew where he was headed from the beginning." As anyone can from reading his completely obsolete and worthless article.

All of the other Volkswagen regional distributors were, to say the least, a cut above Robertson, both in wealth and in imported automobile marketing and servicing.
Charles Urschel, Jr. was step-brother of Tom and Earl F Slick. Willard E Robertson, Jr. was the employee of failing Steelcraft Boats of West Haven, CT in 1952.
He is buried in New Hampshire.

Quote:Philip Robertson and Patricia Anne Robertson Miller v. Willard E ...

https://www.courtlistener.com/.../philip...son-miller-...



Oct 22, 1986 - Willard E. Robertson, Jr., and Marlin Head, 803 F.2d 136. ... Willard Robertson, Sr. marriedSally Moss Robertson in 1935 and lived with her in Connecticut. ... In 1947, the family moved to New Orleans, Louisiana, where ...

I guess you dismissed Robertson and you are not curious as to how he came to be selling used boats in NOLA in 1953 after Steelcraft, the employer who sent him
south had failed financially, yet was ferrying the new Louisiana governor on a couples vacation in his private plane in 1964?

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Quote:https://books.google.com/books?id=9_8LAAAAYAAJ
Harold J. Bingham - 1962 - ‎Snippet view
In 1953 a larger plant became available, that which had previously been occupied by the Churchward Company in West Haven. There Steelcraft ... fully utilized. One reason for the growing popularity for Bilco basement doors CONNECTICUT 15.
Quote:Bilco Co. to leave West Haven after 62 years, move back to New Haven

www.nhregister.com/article/NH/20150320/NEWS/150329967



Mar 20, 2015 - WEST HAVEN >> The Bilco Co., a fixture in West Haven for 62 years, is leaving its longtime home at [B]37 Water St.[/B] for new ... Bilco, a family business, is best known for its metal basementdoors, sidewalk doors and roof hatches.

Quote:https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/219917526/
WillardE. Robertson SHREVEPORT Private Kimilv services (or Willord E. Robertson, a recent resident o Shreveport, were held at 11 a m, on Mondav October 31, at the tomilv home Grevstone on Beaver Lake near Rogers, Ark. Mr Robertson died at Ochsner Foundation Hosoitol in New Orleans ot 10 a m on Saturday, October 29. 1983, (oliowingashort Illness Interment will be in the family mausoleum. Mr. Robertson, born on May 16, 1908 in Conwov, NH, was a well-known business and civic leader in Shreveport as well as in Rogers, Ark. and New Orleans, La. He was educated in Exeter, N.H. and Northeast University of Low in Boston, Mass. Mr. Robertson wos assistant to the president ot Church, Ward & Co. in New Haven, Conn. In 1948. he went to New Orleans with Church, Ward & Co., as marine engineer. In 1949, he entered the automobile business in New Orleans and for 22 vear s was a Volkswogen distributor, covering the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee, with 68 dealers. For 4 years he was the Porsche and Audi distributor for the some territory, with 14 dealers. In addition to business affiliations, he was involved in public and civic organizations, to list a few: 8 years, chairman, Louisiana Motor Vehicle Commission, Vi years, choir-man of the Housing Authority of New Orleans (rated by federal government as best Housing Authority in United States) , 8 years. Commissioner, Mississippi River Bridge Authority, 3 years, chairman. New Bridge Authority, 4 years. Metropolitan Crime Commission of New Orleans, Inc., 15 years. The Information Council of the Americas, Inc. (INCA), vice president, New Orleans Goals Foundation, member. Mayor's Citizens' Advisory Committee - Housing Authority, Advisory Board, Salvation Army, founder, Howard Johnson Tragedy Fund; board of directors: Citizens' Housing Council, International House, International Trade Mart, Metropolitan New Orleans Safety Council; member: Association of the United States Army, Chamber of Commerce, New Orleans Metropolitan Area, United States Chamber of Commerce, Committee of SO New OrleansPublic Safety, Louisiana State Science Foundation 5 years, Public Affairs Research Council of Louisiana (PAR), Gulf South Research Institute, 1968, Louisiana Chairman of Democrats for Nixon, 1972, Louisiana Finance Chairman of Committee to Re Elect President Nixon, 1978 80, Arkansas Finance Chairman, United States Olympic Committee, 1981, Republican Presidential Advisory Board, 1982, Republican Presidential Task Force. Mr. Robertson is survived by his widow, Marlin Head Robertson of Rogers, Ark.; three sons, Willord "Robbie" E. Robertson, Jr. and James Christopher Robertson, of Shreveport, and Senator Philip S. Robertson of New Haven, Conn.; o daughter, Patricio Miller of New Haven; ond three grandchildren. The family reauests that onv memorials be made to the Alton Ochsner Heart Fund of New Orleans or to the Amerlcon Heart Association.

Willard E. Robertson's occupation in 1942, at age 34.:

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The following is the 1942 New Haven directory entry of Robertson s employer at the time,indicating Robertson was manager of a restaurant located at 100 College St.

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In 1944, Willard E Robertson, Jr. , age 35, was working on the factory floor on war time production address at Churchward & Co......
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Steelcruisers Steelcraft History page

www.steelcruisers.com/steelcrafts.html


The company known as Churchward & Company began business in New Haven ... At this time we began to manufacture welded steel boats known as Steelcraft.



Where did Willard Robertson come by his Louisiana contacts and influence....building the trust resulting in his wealth and stature in such a short time?
Ordinary mortals, especially Yankees in 1950's New Orleans, should have to earn or build trust. Was no one actually successful in the imported auto sales
business, individuals of local influence and wealth, as was the case and the selection in all other U.S. regional markets, uninterested in competing with
outsider, inexperienced and unwealthy Willard Robertson for the opportunity of exclusive south central states Volkswagen distribuion, circa 1955?

Consider that the principle CIA NOLA agents and almost everyone of any influence in NOLA, aside from Garrison, was born in Louisiana or at least was a southern
native. CIA agent Dorothy Brandao had in 1939 married a V.P. of Standard Fruit and moved to his Honduras residence. Her husband was the brother of Augusto P. Miceli, Standard Fruit in house counsel, while Garrison former law partner and mentor Eberhard P. [/FONT]Deutsch was outside counsel.

Quote:http://www.honduras.com/banana-trade-in-honduras/12/……..
The 1920's were a real challenge for division managers. After the passing away of Vicente D'Antoni, the division was managed by both Carmelo D'Antoni and by John Miceli, who did so, along with their other responsibilities on an off and on basis. This went on until 1922, when Biagio D'Antoni was assigned the position.

John Miceli http://specialcollections.tulane.edu/arc...bletheme=1
Neighbor's of Carlos Marcello :
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html...ch=biaggio

John Miceli's sister is married to Carmelo D'Antoni,(1)(1a) brother of Biaggio and Standard Fruit chairman, Dr. Joseph S. D'Antoni.
In 1939, John Miceli married Dorothy Agnes Brandao.(2) His brother, Augusto was counsel for Standard Fruit.
Times-Picayune, The (New Orleans, LA) Saturday, July 5, 2003
Dorothy Agnes Brandao, a retired Central Intelligence Agency field agent, died Sunday at Chateau de Notre Dame. She was 92. Ms. Brandao was a lifelong resident of New Orleans. She was a graduate of Newcomb College and the University of Iowa. She was a member of St. Charles Avenue Presbyterian Church and the Orleans Club. After retiring from the CIA, she worked for the New Orleans Tourist Commission for several years. There are no survivors. A private service was held Thursday. Burial was in Metairie Cemetery. Lake Lawn Metairie Funeral Home handled the arrangements.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html...hy_brandao
(1) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AfvZr...Miceli.jpg
(1a) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-II-Zk...randao.jpg
(2) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1E2tD...Miceli.jpg

Butler's first cousin Rance was Gordon Novel's partner and Novel was ushered into this saga by Robertson.

Quote:. ADMIN FOLDER-Z9: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, LHO NEW ORLEANS AIRTEL TO DIR 5/30/67, pg 15
Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders
Zany knowledge NOVEL and his partner had concerning ant i-CAST RO assassination camps in the Slidell and Covington, Louisiana, area. NOVEL quoted GARRISON
GARRISON also questioned NOVEL concerning quick ways of making I ERRIE confess and mentioned the use of sodium penathal. According to NOVEL, GARRISON is obsessed
in the assassination. NOVEL advised that he had been contacted during the late afternoon on February 21, 1967, by WILLARD ROBERTSON, a New Orleans businessman....

Quote:ADMIN FOLDER-S5: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, GORDON D. NOVEL, pg 347
Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders
William Gurvich was there. Louis Ivon was in and out of the office. Q Was Rance Ehlinger in the office during the entire period of this meeting? A Yes. Q
statement you iden- tified the other day? A Yes. Q It had interjections by Novel and you said you may have said some of those things and so on. A Yes. Was

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http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/11/01/O...436510800/
Nov. 1, 1983
ROGERS, Ark. Willard E. Robertson, 75, a four-state automobile distributor who died this past weekend in a New Orleans hospital, was buried Monday on his Beaver Lake estate.

Robertson served on the Republican Presidential Advisory Board in 1981 and on a Republican presidential task force in 1982.
Survivors include his wife, Marlin Head Robertson; three sons, Sen. Phillip S. Robertson of New Haven, Conn., Willard E. Robertson Jr. and James C. Robertson, and a daughter, Patricia Miller of New Haven, Conn.
The 1940 US Census indicates Willard was a $35 per week restaurant manager who had married Sally Moss of New York. In 1964 he was appointed by Gov. McKeithen as DMV commissioner of Louisiana.
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appe...36/381311/
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When Willard E. Robertson, Sr. died at Ochsner Foundation Hospital in October, 1983, he left an estate worth approximately $30 million, a will leaving the bulk of his assets to his wife and the children of his third marriage, and modest bequests to two children of his first marriage. The children of the first marriage contend that they are entitled to a larger portion of their father's estate than is granted them under his will because he died a domiciliary of Louisiana subject to that state's forced heirship laws…..

http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pag...=114647472
Death: 1983 New Orleans Orleans Parish Louisiana, USA

Burial: Conway Village Cemetery Conway Carroll County New Hampshire, USA

American success story, Robertson a late bloomer, or a cut out?

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It took me a while to accept that it is accurate to conclude that Garrison never suffered any permanent career set back from either his investigation of and prosecution of Clay Shaw, or as a result of the two failed prosecutions of Garrison by the U.S. Attorney's office.


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Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
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