"What Happened to JFK--and Why it Matters Today"

[Myra Bronstein]

I thought many of these issues like the TRAMPS were settled
back in the 70s and 80s. Now, young newer researchers are
unaware of the works of earlier researchers who went over
these things years ago. I never dreamed that researchers in
2009 would be going over things like this as if they were newly
discovered issues.

Jack

Well argued, Jack.

The conspirators are well served by the shortsightedness, ignorance, and arrogance of certain "newer" researchers whom you reference.

I submit that the majority of "research" currently being conducted on this case is redundant, ego-driven, and/or wholly underinformed.

That the "how" -- as opposed to the "who" and "why" -- of JFK's murder continues to be investigated and argued brings peace and joy to the conspirators' black hearts.

Charles

I completely agree with what you're both saying. I would like to figure out how to identify a way to build on the findings of previous researchers and become an efficient research team. I have no patience for "researchers" who have well formed opinions yet are only willing to offer up vague tantalizing clues to others while claiming they want others to figure things out on their own. That is impractical. If they pull that crap on me I'll tune them out, fast. We are trying to solve a decades old murder case. This must be a cooperative venture.

Still, there are stumbling blocks to building on the research of others:

It's initially hard to know who to trust. This is, of course, by design. The perps divide and conquer most effectively. After a while it becomes more clear who to trust but it's always an issue. I'm mainly referring to disinformation agents like McAdams and Posner when I mention the trust issue. But there are even cases where a legit researcher reaches, IMO, a bizarre conclusion on an aspect of the case. I don't want to blindly follow them down a cul-de-sac.

There is SO much research out there: books, articles, websites, etc, that it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. We have to locate the good stuff. And no matter how good and definitive a piece of the puzzle is, there will always be some researchers who dispute it. So it becomes difficult to move forward.

Some people may want to hold back on their research and discoveries in the hopes of publishing a book. I would encourage them to look at the fate of Dorothy Kilgallen and not hold back.

Then again we have advantages we've never had before, like the internet. So let's use it to it's full potential.

I'd like to identify and implement a process that will allow us to agree on fundamental points of the JFK case, not just in principle but in practice, document those points, then move on to more nebulous areas of the case. To construct a framework MOST will agree on then flesh out the details. In other words solve the damn crime.

Do you guys think it's a practical goal? If so, how can we go about it?

[Phil Dragoo]

Charles, I think you voice a desire of earnest delvers to form a composite of the knowable.

I had seen the photos of the tramps, at first presented without identification, only a questioning of their appearance and disappearance in anonymity and with such seemingly lax police guard.

Then I purchased the Weberman-Canfield Coup and studied their overlays of Hunt, Sturgis and Carswell.

Then I purchased and doubted the LaFontaines. It didn't seem they were identifying the three tramps, only three others of many caught up in the net that day.

Now I see the Chauncey Holt claim that they are he (Holt), Harrelson and "Richard Montoya" whom Lois Gibson said was Richard Rogers.

We have here photo professionals like Jack, and shrewd diamond buyers such as yourself. I keep coming back to these races and watching the golden apples Ciana throws down to distract.

And I learn something each time. I've seen the Lansdale hand phenomenon and find it fascinating. We've seen Mark Lane turn Hunt's alibi for the day into paperdolls for a jury. Even Phillips is said to have confessed at the midnight hour to being in the big D.

The half-dozen grinning spook-alikes hanging on the lampost are suggestive. The algebra of one in a million to the sixth power is compelling.

Proofs of the presque vu type abound. In poring over the Robin Unger gallery last night above JFK is Mainman, and in another frame, intruding on the waving First Couple is the Only Umbrella Open During the Motorcade.

In another photo it looks like Kellerman is looking right at Umbrella Man.

Raking the sand, it still seems so contrived to have Mainman "identified" by a just-discovered "plaque"--as if to say, oh, the dog has regurgitated my homework and I have it after all--just as so much attention has been drawn to the identification of photos not suppressed.

Hany F.B.I. Farid failed to convince me Oswald was lying when he said it was his head on another body. I think Hunt's ears' imperfect removal suggest the "old" tramp was Hunt. Although Fedora Topcoat Man crossing Elm is also nice.

Have the various tramp identifications been subject to comparison in a study I've missed. I could say they ran the toystand on the midway, they're Corky, and Moonshine, and C.G. (Clint Gaines), but they're not.

They present as relevant, whether actors or distractors.

[Bernice Moore]

quote jack...
Originally Posted by Jack White
I thought many of these issues like the TRAMPS were settled
back in the 70s and 80s. Now, young newer researchers are
unaware of the works of earlier researchers who went over
these things years ago. I never dreamed that researchers in
2009 would be going over things like this as if they were newly
discovered issues.

Jackend quote...

jack i have asked that of a few of the new generation of photo researchers ...their answers were all aimilar they want to see for themselves to prove such on their own findings...but also they do not ignore the old studies as far as i know when asked they mentioned that when done some.. they compare findings etc manys a time they come to the same conclusion at times nought...when i think about it they want to do what you and others did for themselves as you did at the time as it was knew to you now it is new to them and also as we have been reminded manys a time by dr.jim and to not believe anyone in all this to do your own research your own critical thinking and see for yourselves and come to your own conclusions, and that is what they are doing....ta..hope you and Sue had a lovely evening and the red coatedrollypolly man is very good to you...have a great day tomorrow..stay safe best b..

[Jack White]

quote jack...
Originally Posted by Jack White
I thought many of these issues like the TRAMPS were settled
back in the 70s and 80s. Now, young newer researchers are
unaware of the works of earlier researchers who went over
these things years ago. I never dreamed that researchers in
2009 would be going over things like this as if they were newly
discovered issues.

Jackend quote...

jack i have asked that of a few of the new generation of photo researchers ...their answers were all aimilar they want to see for themselves to prove such on their own findings...but also they do not ignore the old studies as far as i know when asked they mentioned that when done some.. they compare findings etc manys a time they come to the same conclusion at times nought...when i think about it they want to do what you and others did for themselves as you did at the time as it was knew to you now it is new to them and also as we have been reminded manys a time by dr.jim and to not believe anyone in all this to do your own research your own critical thinking and see for yourselves and come to your own conclusions, and that is what they are doing....ta..hope you and Sue had a lovely evening and the red coatedrollypolly man is very good to you...have a great day tomorrow..stay safe best b..

Bernice...in Fort Worth Texas it SNOWED all day Christmas
eve...the first time in the recorded history of the weather
bureau here (dating back to the 1880s) that Fort Worth will
have a WHITE CHRISTMAS. Now will somebody explain
global warming to me again? I just don't get it.

Happy holidays!

Jack

[Bernice Moore]

quote jack...
Originally Posted by Jack White
I thought many of these issues like the TRAMPS were settled
back in the 70s and 80s. Now, young newer researchers are
unaware of the works of earlier researchers who went over
these things years ago. I never dreamed that researchers in
2009 would be going over things like this as if they were newly
discovered issues.

Jackend quote...

jack i have asked that of a few of the new generation of photo researchers ...their answers were all aimilar they want to see for themselves to prove such on their own findings...but also they do not ignore the old studies as far as i know when asked they mentioned that when done some.. they compare findings etc manys a time they come to the same conclusion at times nought...when i think about it they want to do what you and others did for themselves as you did at the time as it was knew to you now it is new to them and also as we have been reminded manys a time by dr.jim and to not believe anyone in all this to do your own research your own critical thinking and see for yourselves and come to your own conclusions, and that is what they are doing....ta..hope you and Sue had a lovely evening and the red coatedrollypolly man is very good to you...have a great day tomorrow..stay safe best b..

Bernice...in Fort Worth Texas it SNOWED all day Christmas
eve...the first time in the recorded history of the weather
bureau here (dating back to the 1880s) that Fort Worth will
have a WHITE CHRISTMAS. Now will somebody explain
global warming to me again? I just don't get it.

Happy holidays!

Jack

I do not either Jack itcannotmake up it's mind..then again i cannot blame mother nature for being confused...well that's where ours went we have very little just amounts to a ground cover but a storm coming our way up from the states hey perhaps it will meet up with your left overs really it is a badun and into the states they are having some serious problems with drivers being advised to take along emergency kits with them..that many are stranded.btw members it's ok jack and i are gardeners so weather is a natural subject with us.now and again...and ..now for a treat for all, jack if you would fill in the details in reference to the photo below... thank you...and all the best wishes jack and SUE coming yourway for an exceptionally good new year..

best b..btwthe title of the photo below is one of jack White's finest works of art....

[Charles Drago]

It looks like Conein to me.

Albeit with two widow's peaks.

[Dawn Meredith]

Happy holidays all. Jack I use the term climate change. I think HAARP holds many clues. It was sooo cold last night I felt like I was back in Boston or Nova Scotia. Austin is not supposed to get like this. No snow however.

Dawn

[Jack White]

quote jack...
Originally Posted by Jack White
I thought many of these issues like the TRAMPS were settled
back in the 70s and 80s. Now, young newer researchers are
unaware of the works of earlier researchers who went over
these things years ago. I never dreamed that researchers in
2009 would be going over things like this as if they were newly
discovered issues.

Jackend quote...

jack i have asked that of a few of the new generation of photo researchers ...their answers were all aimilar they want to see for themselves to prove such on their own findings...but also they do not ignore the old studies as far as i know when asked they mentioned that when done some.. they compare findings etc manys a time they come to the same conclusion at times nought...when i think about it they want to do what you and others did for themselves as you did at the time as it was knew to you now it is new to them and also as we have been reminded manys a time by dr.jim and to not believe anyone in all this to do your own research your own critical thinking and see for yourselves and come to your own conclusions, and that is what they are doing....ta..hope you and Sue had a lovely evening and the red coatedrollypolly man is very good to you...have a great day tomorrow..stay safe best b..

Bernice...in Fort Worth Texas it SNOWED all day Christmas
eve...the first time in the recorded history of the weather
bureau here (dating back to the 1880s) that Fort Worth will
have a WHITE CHRISTMAS. Now will somebody explain
global warming to me again? I just don't get it.

Happy holidays!

Jack

I do not either Jack itcannotmake up it's mind..then again i cannot blame mother nature for being confused...well that's where ours went we have very little just amounts to a ground cover but a storm coming our way up from the states hey perhaps it will meet up with your left overs really it is a badun and into the states they are having some serious problems with drivers being advised to take along emergency kits with them..that many are stranded.btw members it's ok jack and i are gardeners so weather is a natural subject with us.now and again...and ..now for a treat for all, jack if you would fill in the details in reference to the photo below... thank you...and all the best wishes jack and SUE coming yourway for an exceptionally good new year..

best b..btwthe title of the photo below is one of jack White's finest works of art....

Bernice...It was in front of our company in the 1960s. After an overnight
snow of about 6 inches, only four of us with lots of work to do made it
into the office. Not much was going on, so we decided to make a big
snowman. About halfway through somebody suggested that we make it
a snowlady instead. With four of us working on it and using a janitorial
bucket as a scoop we decided we could make her bigger by having her
sit. Then it dawned on us that she was NAKED. So I went inside and
got some black and red spray paint. With the black we painted a
bikini and hair and face, and the red was for lipstick. When finished,
I took a bunch of photos. This is the only one without the sculptors.

Merry Christmas.

Jack

[Keith Millea]

It looks like Conein to me.

Albeit with two widow's peaks.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[James H. Fetzer]

Charles,

At last we agree! Two "widow's peaks", indeed!

Best for the hoidays!

Jim