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India- interesting timing
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State orchestrated terror highly probable to me. Tediously, cui bono points towards the endless 'war on terror' originators. Look to see which military actions will be rationalized because of this or which additional freedoms will be diminished.

The lessening of security as noted above is a telltale sign. And the killing of the official terrorism expert ... ?
"Hemant Karkare, chief of the anti-terrorist squad in Mumbai, was also killed during the attacks, according to local reports."

In addition, the Wurlitzer pumping out the Al Qaeda chorus.

And some pointing to Pakistan as originators.

But I think the timing is not quite right for Biden's et. al, 20th of Jan or so dateline.

In addition, some news sources are pointing towards Mossad etc.

http://www.viamedianews.com/?p=247#comment-1376

I know nothing regarding these folks or this news org. But...

when there is a terrorist attack, I look first towards the CIA and then across the ocean at Mossad and MI6.

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by the way, Hi.

Now, if I could just figure out how to change the spelling of my name....
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#12
Hi Richard! Great to see you here.
I fixed the spelling of your name by the way.

I'm not sure that this is the one that Obama's handlers were talking about. I suspect all of this is to do with NATO's push into the area. The relentless eastern expansion of NATO continues. They were just the other week trying to dictate to Pakistan how to do things which ruffled some feathers in the Pakistani hierarchy. Just like the Eurovision song contest NATO is seeking to include Israel as a member too (see here for more: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1041360.html). NATO also sees itself as having a role in the policing of the pirate boats near the Horn of Africa. God forbid that the UN should be involved in anything. Too democratic and accountable.

Going back a few years when India and Pakistan were having their little pissing contest to see had the biggest A-bomb with out warning (or permission) the US sent in a missile from a ship which traveled over both nations airspace to land in Pakistan ostensibly to eliminate an Al Qaida camp. While this was happening the local US military and diplomatic talking heads had gathered the Pakistani and Indian military honchos for a meeting just to remind them who's really in charge.

They're looking to get/impose some sort of concession from India and Pakistan. Time will tell.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

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Richard Welser Wrote:State orchestrated terror highly probable to me. Tediously, cui bono points towards the endless 'war on terror' originators. Look to see which military actions will be rationalized because of this or which additional freedoms will be diminished.

The lessening of security as noted above is a telltale sign. And the killing of the official terrorism expert ... ?
"Hemant Karkare, chief of the anti-terrorist squad in Mumbai, was also killed during the attacks, according to local reports."

In addition, the Wurlitzer pumping out the Al Qaeda chorus.

And some pointing to Pakistan as originators.

But I think the timing is not quite right for Biden's et. al, 20th of Jan or so dateline.

In addition, some news sources are pointing towards Mossad etc.

http://www.viamedianews.com/?p=247#comment-1376

I know nothing regarding these folks or this news org. But...

when there is a terrorist attack, I look first towards the CIA and then across the ocean at Mossad and MI6.

------
by the way, Hi.

Now, if I could just figure out how to change the spelling of my name....

Hi Richard,

Both you and Dawn have pointed out the proximity of India to Pakistan. Given Obama's earlier saber rattling towards Pakistan I think it's reasonable to speculate that this could justify an attack against them if "the terrorists" are Pakistani. As far as the timing being a bit premature, that's true, but perhaps this is just the opening salvo.

I wonder if there is actually any such thing as "al-Qaeda."
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Quote:I wonder if there is actually any such thing as "al-Qaeda."

Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing.
Signed
James Moriarty.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#15
Magda Hassan Wrote:Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing.
Signed
James Moriarty.

Now I wonder if there's any such thing as James Moriarty.

:p
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#16
Why, yes indeed.
Professor Moriarty was last seen falling into the Reichenbach Falls as seen below with his mortal enemy Sherlock Holmes. It's true. I read it in The Strand magazine so it must be true.
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"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#17
Magda Hassan Wrote:Why, yes indeed.
Professor Moriarty was last seen falling into the Reichenbach Falls as seen below.

Wow, all these years of reading Sherlock Holmes and I never knew Prof Moriarty's first name. I assumed Professor was his first name.
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#18
It might be informative to see what the premier propaganda rags urge Obama to do.

That brings to mind the Wall Street Journal. According to them "Pressure Increases on Obama for a Regional Solution"--http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12278233...lenews_wsj
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#19
While I rarely suggest a BBC documentary, There is one worth seeing on background for this matter here: http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-...ation.html It is called The Power Of Nightmares.
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http://www.theage.com.au/world/experts-n...-6n0e.html

Experts not certain al-Qaeda to blame
Paisley Dodds London
November 29, 2008
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Commandoes get down from a chopper to the roof of a house owned by Israelis in Colaba, Mumbai. Photo: Saurabh Das
SPY agencies around the world had little warning of the terrorist attack in Mumbai, which bore some al-Qaeda hallmarks but appears unlikely to be linked to the group's core leadership.

Westerners in India's financial centre were targeted in the spectacular attack comprised of multiple simultaneous assaults — a signature of past al-Qaeda actions, including the September 11, 2001, attacks.

But the Indian attack was carried out by gunmen, not the suicide bombers frequently employed by al-Qaeda and its affiliates.

"We have been actively monitoring plots in Britain and abroad and there was nothing to indicate something like this was about to happen," a British security official said.

Western security experts believe attacks organised, directed and funded specifically by al-Qaeda's core leadership along the Afghan-Pakistan border are not frequent.

More common are incidents in which terrorists have either some limited contact with al-Qaeda leaders or are inspired to carry out attacks by the ideology of Islamic extremism.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told reporters it was "premature to talk about links to al-Qaeda" and that the intended targets still had not been identified.

"This is only the latest in a series of attacks in India over the last year or two," he said, adding: "Terrorism is not just a war against the West."

A US counterterrorism official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Lashkar-i-Taiba (Army of the Pure) and Jaish-i-Mohammed (Army of Mohammed) are what "people are starting to look at. But I can't caution enough to treat it as a theory, a working assumption.

"What the Indians have in their favour is that they've got some of these guys. It seems logical that they can expect to work their way back reasonably quickly."

Indian officials said several gunmen were captured.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" and the Indian navy said its forces were boarding a cargo vessel suspected of ties to the attacks. Navy spokesman Captain Manohar Nambiar said on Thursday that the ship, the MV Alpha, had recently come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan.

Pakistan's Port and Shipping Minister, Nabil Gabol, said Indian authorities had not asked him for information about what he called a "false allegation".

"They should not drag Pakistan into this just to overcome their own political problems," he said.

Major-General R. K. Hooda, the leader of the operation to flush out the militants, said that they had pretended to come from Hyderabad, in central India, but they had captured one man who spoke with a Punjabi accent and appeared to be from Pakistan.

Lashkar-i-Taiba is based in Lahore, in Pakistan's Punjab province, and was supported by the Pakistan Government's Inter-Services Intelligence agency during the 1990s.

It nearly sparked a war between India and Pakistan when it attacked the Indian parliament in 2001, along with Jaish-i-Mohammed.

Few terrorism experts have heard of the Deccan Mujahideen, who have claimed responsibility for the attacks.

"Initially, we saw violence in India imported from outside — with allegations of Pakistani Government support — but now we are seeing new, home-grown groups," said Nigel Inkster, director of Transnational Threats at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

"There is a possible link to al-Qaeda," he said. "Logically, it would be easier for al-Qaeda to get things done in India than in the US and Europe. Everyone's been expecting some type of pre-US election or post-US election spectacular, and there is some speculation that this is it."

Whoever was responsible, their demands have been vague.

A militant inside the Oberoi Hotel told Indian television by telephone: "Release all mujahideen, and Muslims living in India should not be troubled."

Another, inside the Jewish Chabad-Lubavitch centre, who called himself Imran, phoned an Indian television station to say: "Ask the Government to talk to us and we will release the hostages. Are you aware how many people have been killed in Kashmir? Are you aware how your army has killed Muslims?" he said

Six hours after the attack, Indian media received an email from this unknown group, claiming responsibility. Experts are sceptical. An Indian news channel reported that the email's sender was traced to Russia.

INDIAN MUJAHIDEEN

In May, the organisation, headed by Abdul Subhan Qureshi, known as "India's bin Laden" threatened to attack tourist sites unless the Indian Government withdrew its support for America. It has claimed responsibility for bombings in Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Delhi since July. But analysts believe it does not have the resources to have conducted the Mumbai operation alone.

CRIME SYNDICATES

Mumbai's most notorious crime boss, Dawood Ibrahim, was accused of masterminding the March 1993 blasts in Mumbai. At that time he lived in Dubai but later moved to Karachi. Indian intelligence alleges he is holed up in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

PAKISTANI TERROR GROUPS

Al-Qaeda-linked Lashkar-e-Taiba has been active in fighting Indian security forces in Kashmir since 1993. In the past, the group was alleged to have close links with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency. But from what is known, few believe Pakistan played a role in the Mumbai attacks.

AP, AGENCIES
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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