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It is fairly well documented that the large amounts [total not revealed to public] of gold in several vaults in WTC 6, I believe were emptied JUST before the 'events' = foreknowledge. One truck still loaded with gold, but with the drivers gone = foreknowledge was found underground. Too bad David Guyatt is not here now anymore. He's an expert on Gold and would explain that most gold is in fact stolen or subject to magic accounting, etc. This is one of the more important and least researched aspects of 911. More attention has been paid to the stock and futures trading, which I consider less important. Follow the gold!
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:It is fairly well documented that the large amounts [total not revealed to public] of gold in several vaults in WTC 6, I believe were emptied JUST before the 'events' = foreknowledge. Sure, WTC 4 actually, one can find a good writeup on that here. However, what about the supposed "between 6,000 and 280,000 tonnes of...gold...stolen from the national treasuries of the Philippines, Soviet Union, France, and Czechoslovakia"? How in the world is that claim derived?
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:It is fairly well documented that the large amounts [total not revealed to public] of gold in several vaults in WTC 6, I believe were emptied JUST before the 'events' = foreknowledge. One truck still loaded with gold, but with the drivers gone = foreknowledge was found underground. Too bad David Guyatt is not here now anymore. He's an expert on Gold and would explain that most gold is in fact stolen or subject to magic accounting, etc. This is one of the more important and least researched aspects of 911. More attention has been paid to the stock and futures trading, which I consider less important. Follow the gold!
I agree with you in re: David Guyatt but, in his absence, one thing we can do is to go on over to History Commons and their 9/11 timeline and do a search for the simple word "gold". Here, already done, are the three primary entries (there may be others far deeper)...:
Large amounts of gold are stored in vaults in the massive basement below the WTC, and some of this is being transported through the basement this morning. Several weeks later, recovery workers will discover hundreds of ingots in a service tunnel below WTC 5, along with a ten-wheel lorry and some cars (which were, presumably, transporting the gold) (see (Mid-October-mid November 2001)). The lorry and cars had been crushed by falling steel, but no bodies will be reported found with them, so presumably they were abandoned before the first WTC collapse, at 9:59 a.m. [NEW YORK DAILY NEWS, 10/31/2001; LONDON TIMES, 11/1/2001]
Workers at Ground Zero discover large amounts of gold and other precious metals stored below the ruins of the WTC. As debris is removed they are able to access parts of the 16-acre WTC basement, which drops 70 feet below ground level. Precious metals are stored in numerous vaults within this area. The London Times says the quantity of these "has been a carefully guarded secret," but estimates $750 million of gold and silver in vaults belonging to the Comex metals trading division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. There appears to have been an attempt, since 9/11, to break into a Comex vault containing $200 million of precious metals belonging to the Bank of Nova Scotia. A government official involved in the recovery work says, "It looked like they used a blowtorch, a crowbar," but a bank spokeswoman denies there has been any attempted break-in. The banks later states that "All of the silver, gold, platinum, and palladium stored in its vaults at 4 World Trade Center" has been relocated to a depository in Brooklyn. Other gold is discovered in a service tunnel below WTC 5. According to the London Times, this was being transported through the tunnel on the morning of 9/11 (see (Before 9:59 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [NEW YORK DAILY NEWS, 10/31/2001; LONDON TIMES, 11/1/2001; NEW YORK TIMES, 11/1/2001; REUTERS, 11/17/2001]
New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani angers firefighters when he decides to severely reduce the number of them that can search for remains at Ground Zero. Until now, up to 300 firefighters at a time have been involved in the search and recovery effort. Giuliani's decision will mean no more than 25 at a time can do so in future. The International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) later alleges that, also at this time, Giuliani makes "a conscious decision to institute a scoop-and-dump' operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains." So far, the bodies or remains of 101 firefighters have been recovered, out of the 343 who died at the World Trade Center on 9/11. According to the IAFF, the mayor refuses to even meet with local union presidents about the decision. Due to the ensuing public outcry, Giuliani will modify his policy and allow firefighters back on the pile at Ground Zero. The remains of another 113 firefighters will subsequently be found. The IAFF later alleges that "the mayor's switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers" (see (Mid-October-mid November 2001)). "Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment." [FIREFIGHTING NEWS (.COM), 3/8/2007; BLOOMBERG, 3/9/2007; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 3/10/2007] IAFF President Harold Schaitberger later says, "in my opinion, it was more important for him [to] find the gold than it was to continue to find and recover remains." [MSNBC, 7/12/2007]
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Research on the writings of Catherine Austin Fitts, or direct inquiry of her through her website at Solari, might assist in some understanding; she was one of the very first people to "go public" on the 9/11 attacks with the claims that it was a financial crime first and foremost. In addition to the questions about the gold, there are the insider trading allegations, the hard drives buried in the rubble and then in Convar (which underwent a series of acquisitions by companies alleged to have been involved in the crimes, thus closing off any disclosure of their findings in re-constructing the hard drives), the Enron matter then in litigation and whose records were supposedly stored in WTC7, etc. Much of this is not necessarily indicative of who organized the endeavor so much as the activities that were undertaken ("collateral crimes") once the endeavor was known to be going down.
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From "Black Eagle Trust Fund":
"Emboldened by the lack of consequences for subverting the U.S. constitution and breaking international law during the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s, a Bush administration group known as "the Vulcans" planned a bigger drive to crush Communism once and for all. They waged war against the Soviet Union and Iraq under George H.W. Bush, and against Iraq and Afghanistan under George W. Bush. Belonging to this group were Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Armitage, and Condoleezza Rice."
"The Vulcan's drive to bring an end to the Cold War was fueled by a covert war chest invisible to congressional oversight. This war chest would be known by several names: Black Eagle Trust, the Marcos gold, Yamashita's Gold, the Golden Lily Treasure, the Durham Trust or Project Hammer. The program also seems to have lined the pockets of the individuals that executed this policy. This was done to the tune of a staggering $240 billion dollars in covert and allegedly illegal bonds, which appear to have been replaced with Treasury notes backed by U.S. taxpayers in the aftermath of September 11."
"To this key group of senior National Security officials called the Vulcans, who had participated in the victory of the economic cold war in 1991, the WTC, the Pentagon, the four airliners and their occupants would became collateral' damage in the ending of the Cold War. Their deaths were required to hide the existence of the Black Eagle Trust, and the covert activities it had funded for over 50 years. The destruction of these lives and buildings constituted a cover-up of continued lawlessness by a fraternity or brotherhood of businessmen and criminals often referred to as the Enterprise' in the 1980s, though it has remained in the shadows since."
"Numerous sources have documented that at the end of WWII, the treasury of the Japanese Empire was discovered in the Philippines by a staff member of General Charles Willoughby, [Edward Lansdale], who was General MacArthur's chief of Intelligence. Then known as the Golden Lily Treasure, this mass of wealth had been accumulated by the Japanese through over fifty years of pillaging by its army in Southeast Asia and China. It was deposited in the Philippines due to the U.S. submarine blockade of Japan. Reports vary, but documents in the public domain suggest the recovered treasure was in excess of 280,000 metric tonnes of gold, not including jewels and diamonds. After the War [Lansdale] tortured Major Kojima Kashii General Yamashita Tomoyuki's driver until he revealed and created a map of the gold sites."
"Lansdale briefed Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy about the findings, and a U.S. Cabinet level decision was made to confiscate the gold and cover-up its discovery. The gold would be added to the Black Eagle Trust fund. It was McCloy, along with Secretary of the Navy Robert B. Anderson and Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson who created the Black Eagle Trust.
John McCloy, who had shared a box at the 1936 Olympics with Adolph Hitler, went on to become President of the World Bank. Robert Anderson would go on to operate the Commercial Exchange Bank in the British West Indies, be convicted of running illegal banking operations and tax evasion, and be sentenced to prison. A fourth member of that group William Wild Bill' Donovan would go on to found the CIA and distribute the gold to key banks represented by his staffers.
The trust they created takes its name from the Nazi Black Eagle stamped on the gold bars of the Third Reich. Gold bullion confiscated from the Reich and not returned to its rightful owners and their heirs was the original source of funding for this trust. Over the years, the significance of the Nazi gold would pale in comparison to the confiscated Japanese treasure."
Kyle Burnett Wrote:James, starting from the top of the "circumstances leading to" the stated conclusion, do you have any idea how the claim that "There are between 6,000 and 280,000 tonnes of illegal, stolen gold stored in bullion banks throughout the world" was derived?
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James Lewis Wrote:From "Black Eagle Trust Fund": More unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner don't rightly do anything to substantiate unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner. Who is E.P. Heidner anyway?
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http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Collatera..._trust.pdf
Read the footnotes at the end of the article.
Kyle Burnett Wrote:James Lewis Wrote:From "Black Eagle Trust Fund": More unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner don't rightly do anything to substantiate unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner. Who is E.P. Heidner anyway?
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Of course, the Ed Lansdale mentioned in the piece is the same General Edward Lansdale who has been fingered by more than one JFK researcher, chief among them Fletcher Prouty, as being one of the main forces behind JFK's assassination. And Prouty was in a position to know.
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James Lewis Wrote:Read the footnotes at the end of the article. Ah, I didn't expect footnotes in the article since the book lacks them, but now I see the claim "documents in the public domain suggest the recovered treasure was in excess of 280,000 metric tonnes of gold" has a book listed as it's source rather than naming any actual documents, another book lacking footnotes no less. The Google preview of the book unfortunately doesn't contain the page cited, and what can be seen of does nothing to inspire confidence in it as a legitimate source of information.
James Lewis Wrote:Of course, the Ed Lansdale mentioned in the piece is the same General Edward Lansdale who has been fingered by more than one JFK researcher, chief among them Fletcher Prouty, as being one of the main forces behind JFK's assassination. Yeah, that is one of the things that has me suspecting "E.P. Heidner" might just be a pseudonym for a disinformation operation, as while mention of Lansdale is bound to perk the ear of anyone familiar with deep politics, the source cited for that mention is dubious at best.
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Well, if you don't think Heidner is reliable, maybe you should check out David Guyatt's piece on the same matter. And he would be in a position to know what he's talking about.
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_spoils_of_war.htm
Kyle Burnett Wrote:James Lewis Wrote:Read the footnotes at the end of the article. Ah, I didn't expect footnotes in the article since the book lacks them, but now I see the claim "documents in the public domain suggest the recovered treasure was in excess of 280,000 metric tonnes of gold" has a book listed as it's source rather than naming any actual documents, another book lacking footnotes no less. The Google preview of the book unfortunately doesn't contain the page cited, and what can be seen of does nothing to inspire confidence in it as a legitimate source of information.
James Lewis Wrote:Of course, the Ed Lansdale mentioned in the piece is the same General Edward Lansdale who has been fingered by more than one JFK researcher, chief among them Fletcher Prouty, as being one of the main forces behind JFK's assassination. Yeah, that is one of the things that has me suspecting "E.P. Heidner" might just be a pseudonym for a disinformation operation, as while mention of Lansdale is bound to perk the ear of anyone familiar with deep politics, the source cited for that mention is dubious at best.
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