Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book

[Dawn Meredith]

Jim,
I think that the lack of discussion about the "LBJ Mastermind" book was mostly because Frank Nelson managed to piss some people off for his put down comment of Robert Groden.From the "Robert Groden sues Dallas" thread on page two.See below:

http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/show...llas/page2



As Phil Dragoo responded,gusano translates as akin to worm or maggot.Didn't go over too well here.

That being said,welcome to DPF.I listen to BlackOpRadio every week,and enjoy your talks very much.And I'll add,I thought the last show where you were able to ask Jim Hougan questions to be one of my favorites.

Wow. What a horrible thing to say about Bob Groden. Bob is a hero as well as a friend since the early 70's. Seeing him in DP is always a major treat. Now I absolutely will not be getting this book. Instead I am going to order some copies of JFK and the Unspeakable to give to others. I have two copies. The one I ordered from Amazon and the one I got in Dallas in 09, where Jim Douglas wrote a lovely message.

That Nelson would say such a thing is rather telling, I think. I mean just whose side is he on here? The community is divisive enough.

And I do think LBJ was in on the plot from the get go. Not the master mind but he had the most to lose if 11/22 had not happened and the most to gain that it did. He went from almost wearing prison garb to the job he coveted his whole life. Means motive opportunity...but not at the top of that pyramid. Yes Jack. Absolute criminal mind.

Dawn

[Albert Doyle]

Edit: CTKA is basically the graveyard of Lone Nutters.

[David Guyatt]

Hello Jim,

First things first: I publicly thank you for the manner in which you championed (there's no better word to describe your actions) DPF during the hacking/hijacking melodrama of the past few weeks.

Your posts on EF in which you all but blunted the efforts of those jackels who sought to lie and disinform about DPF and its owners always will be deeply appreciated hereabouts.

Jim, I wish to add my hearty thanks also.

Welcome.

David

[Gil Jesus]

I think "mastermind" is too strong. I DO believe that there was a Texas-based right-wing conspiracy that involved friends and supporters of LBJ. I also believe that the conspiracy had the support of elements of the Federal Government.

Before the Democratic nomination of JFK, the LBJ forces tried hard to deny Kennedy the nomination on the first ballot. They got copies of Kennedy's medical records indicating that he had Addison's disease. Johnson cronies Johns Connally and India Edwards made that information public, leaking it to the press. ( Johnson later had to apologize to JFK for this, according to Bobby Baker ) Kennedy's doctors had predicted that he would not live beyond the age of 45, meaning that he would be dead by May 1962.
( When he reached 45, they threw an elaborate birthday party for him at Madison Square Garden -- highlighted by Marilyn Monroe singing "Happy Birthday " )

Johnson had continually said that he would not take the # 2 spot on the ticket, but once Kennedy's medical situation was known by him, his position, at least privately, changed. In an interview with Robert Gayland Ross, Madeline Brown said that three days before the convention, Joe Kennedy and H.L. Hunt had a meeting where it was agreed that JFK would offer the VP spot to Johnson.

Johnson wasn't even on the short list of candidates, but when Joe Kennedy ordered his son to offer it to Johnson, JFK must have figured LBJ would reject it anyway so no harm done. So he offered---and to everyone's surprise, Johnson accepted !!!!

Of course, this caused a major problem for Kennedy. Not only was the liberal wing of the party furious and threatening a floor fight, JFK now had a VP he didn't want. So he sent RFK to Johnson's suite to get him to drop out. Not only did Johnson refuse, he was using blackmail ( according to Evelyn Lincoln ) to stay on it.

The Kennedys had no choice but to push through the convention changes that would allow the VP to be acclaimed by voice vote.

Johnson was nominated amid the boos of about 50 % of the delegates.

Johnson jumped on the Kennedy ticket because he believed the reports of doctors that Kennedy would die of natural causes in his first term and saw this as an opportuniy to gain the Presidency that he had so dreamed about all his life.

In June of 1963, with Kennedy still alive and no indication that his health was waning, a meeting was set up at the Cortez Hotel in El Paso, Texas. The details of that meeting have been publicized by John Connally, the then Governor of Texas and former LBJ campaign manager. On my youtube channel, I have posted accounts by both Connally and others to show that Connally lied repeatedly about the details of that meeting, not the least of which was over whose idea the Texas trip was.

In addition, there were NUMEROUS warnings to the President to stay away from Dallas, including a letter from a woman received by Pierre Salenger, warning that "something terrible" would happen to him. Sen. Fulbright warned him not to go, as did Anne Brinkley, wife of NBC newsman David Brinkley and Stanley Marcus of the Neiman-Marcus chain.

And while there were other conspiracies in cities like Chicago and Miami, the law enforcement apparatus in those cities responded to those threats pretty much like you'd expect them to.

And no harm came to the President.

But in Dallas, it was a different story. In Dallas, you could kill the POTUS and get away with it because of the corruption of the law enforcement and prosecutory apparatus there. The extent of corruption is evident in the relationship between the Dallas Police, the DA's Office and Jack Ruby.

Over the years, I've written and placed in video form on the net, evidence that the officials LIED about this case and I continue to do so. Take some of the FBI reports and sworn affidavits from witnesses and read what they said they said. Then go on to the internet and hear a completely different story from those same witnesses themselves.

I wouldn't call LBJ a mastermind, but he covered up the crime to prevent those who handed him the only thing he ever wanted from ever facing justice. And he had the help of J. Edna Hoover to boot.

And that's my opinion based on what I know.

[Greg Burnham]

Good post, Gil. :thumbsup:

[Dawn Meredith]

Jim,
I think that the lack of discussion about the "LBJ Mastermind" book was mostly because Frank Nelson managed to piss some people off for his put down comment of Robert Groden.From the "Robert Groden sues Dallas" thread on page two.See below:

http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/show...llas/page2



As Phil Dragoo responded,gusano translates as akin to worm or maggot.Didn't go over too well here.


That being said,welcome to DPF.I listen to BlackOpRadio every week,and enjoy your talks very much.And I'll add,I thought the last show where you were able to ask Jim Hougan questions to be one of my favorites.

Keith: Was it "Frank" Nelson who made the negative comments about Robert Groden or Phil Nelson, author of "LBJ Mastermind"? I do not know who Frank Nelson is.
Thanks,
Dawn

[Keith Millea]

Keith: Was it "Frank" Nelson who made the negative comments about Robert Groden or Phil Nelson, author of "LBJ Mastermind"? I do not know who Frank Nelson is.
Thanks,
Dawn

Dawn

Thank you so much for pointing this out.I have indeed made a mistake and have confused the two Nelsons.I am sorry for this mistake,and for sure apologize especially to Phil Nelson.
I get the pie in the face on this one. :piethrow:

[Jan Klimkowski]

Dawn

Thank you so much for pointing this out.I have indeed made a mistake and have confused the two Nelsons.I am sorry for this mistake,and for sure apologize especially to Phil Nelson.
I get the pie in the face on this one. :piethrow:

Thank you for correcting the record, and establishing that it was not Phil Nelson who made the comments in post #7 in this thread.

Keith - we know and respect your insights and integrity.

[Charles Drago]

I think I know how Stalin would have responded to Nelson's laughable hypothesis:

"How many divisions did Lyndon have?"

[James H. Fetzer]

Keith,

Phil Nelson is not Frank Nelson and Charles and I had a fairly intense discussion of the term "mastermind", which, in my view, he exaggerates and thereby creates a straw man that is easier to attack. I don't see that discussion in reviewing the names of the threads. Perhaps Charles could add a link to our previous exchange.

Jim

Jim,
I think that the lack of discussion about the "LBJ Mastermind" book was mostly because Frank Nelson managed to piss some people off for his put down comment of Robert Groden.From the "Robert Groden sues Dallas" thread on page two.See below:

http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/show...llas/page2



As Phil Dragoo responded,gusano translates as akin to worm or maggot.Didn't go over too well here.

That being said,welcome to DPF.I listen to BlackOpRadio every week,and enjoy your talks very much.And I'll add,I thought the last show where you were able to ask Jim Hougan questions to be one of my favorites.