The LBJ-Did-It Operation Continues to Unfold

[Charles Drago]

Indeed, Magda.

Actors, directors, producers, executive producers, "angels," and ultimately the Studio.

From treatment to drafts to shooting (pun intended) script, to premiere, promotion, critic bribes, industry awards, to, alas, spin-offs and sequels.

What else might we expect from an operation that was inherently theatrical?

The Grandest of Grand Guignol, I'd say.

[Seamus Coogan]

Well, let me quote from Richard E. Sprague's book, The Taking Of America 1-2-3, and you'll see where I'm coming from.
1. Nixon was White House action officer on Cuban invasion plans in 1960.
2. Nixon was in contact with Hunt and others during the Bay of Pigs planning.
3. Nixon lied to the American people by his own admission about the Bay of Pigs during his TV debates with Kennedy in 1960.
4. Nixon was financially linked to the Mafia and to Cuban casino operations before Castro took over.
5. Nixon was acquainted with Hunt, Baker, Martinez, Sturgis, Carlos Prio Socarras, and other Watergate people and anti-Castro people in Florida, and he was financially linked to Baker, Martinez and Socarras.
6. Hunt, Baker, Sturgis and Socarras were connected with the assassination group in the murder of JFK.
7. Nixon was in Dallas for three days, including the morning of the JFK assassination. He was trying to stir up trouble for Kennedy.
8. Nixon went to Dallas under false pretenses. There was no board meeting of the Pepsi Cola Company as he announced his law firm had had to attend.
9. Nixon did not admit being in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot and did not reveal the true reason for his trip. He held two press conferences on the two days before the assassination, attacking both Kennedy and Johnson and emphasizing the Democratic political problems in Texas.
10. Research indicates that Nixon either knew in advance about assassination plans, or learned about them soon after the assassination.
11. Nixon proposed to Lyndon Johnson that Gerald Ford serve on the Warren Commission.

That's just a summary of Nixon's connections to the assassination before the fact. When you add in the Watergate tapes, the "Bay Of Pigs", and Ford's pardon of Nixon, what you have is a picture of a man who: Knew many of the people connected to both the Kennedy assassination and Watergate (the parallels between the incidents is chilling), lied about being in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and knew many of the people on the Warren Commission, and tried to hire many of the same people to defend him during Watergate. Maybe I'm wrong, but that and what I talked about in my first post on the subject are just too many coincidences for me. And yes, he may have been a puppet in the end, but I think the evidence clearly shows that Nixon pulled more than a few strings himself.

I don't see that Nixon had access to the confidences of any sponsors. And he and his careeer do not strike me as particularly worthy of any confidences either. Nixon was a man who knew where the action was and who the important players were and he sought their patronage. He was and remained an outsider. Sure, he benefitted personally and he may have had a lot of useful information. But again, he didn't place LHO in the book depository or get him in and out of the USSR. Ultimately he was dispensable. As was LBJ. Just another pawn on the chessboard.

I agree Magda totally and the rest of em.

If you wanna go and check out what really happened and how miniscule Nixon was in the grand scheme of things read Jim Di's reveiw of Hogans Secret Agenda, in fact actually get the book from Andy at the Lasy Hurrah and then go to CTKA and do a search on Nixon to understand how flawed the thesis of Nixon as king pin is not only dated but off by a country mile as well.

[James Lewis]

Let me get one thing absolutely straight. I did NOT say that Nixon was a "kingpin" or anything like that concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I DID say that their were many "coincidences" and connections between Nixon and players on the Warren Commission, the Cuban exile community, and other who had either motive or were used by others with greater motives to get rid of Kennedy. I DID say that Nixon was apparently intimately familiar with deep details of the plot, as the Watergate tapes clearly show that Nixon was using the assassination to blackmail Richard Helms into cooperating with the White House in the coverup. And the ONLY way that he would have known to; attempt to blackmail the CIA in general, and Richard Helms in particular, by using the assassination as a lever, is if he knew about the plot or was somehow involved. And THAT is the reason that the "powers that be", as I'll refer to them, exposed Nixon and forced him to resign. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's precious notions about the conspiracy, the group(s) behind it, or anything like that. I'm just stating that Nixon had to have known about the plot either in advance, or he found out what happened later. I understand that many of the people in this forum have cherished notions about what actually happened, and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended any of those notions. I WILL unapologetically say one thing: I don't believe in coincidence, except in very rare circumstances. And there are too many "coincidences" involving Nixon for me to believe that he wasn't involved in the plot in some way, shape, or form. Yes, Nixon was used by forces who were stronger than he was. And when he attempted to use the details of the assassination to cover up Watergate, he had to be removed by those same forces lest the ugly underbelly of the "American dream" be exposed, like a gorilla's bare ass climbing up a tree. They couldn't just shoot Nixon, because by then, most of the nation had become hip to the politics of assassination, and would have suspected something amiss much quicker than they did with Kennedy. Hence the later work of the so-called "media" in character assassination - much easier and less messy in most cases. And, if you want to know the REAL power behind Kennedy's murder, read (as I hope most of you already have) Mae Brussell's "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination. I would hope this has clarified my position just a bit.

Well, let me quote from Richard E. Sprague's book, The Taking Of America 1-2-3, and you'll see where I'm coming from.
1. Nixon was White House action officer on Cuban invasion plans in 1960.
2. Nixon was in contact with Hunt and others during the Bay of Pigs planning.
3. Nixon lied to the American people by his own admission about the Bay of Pigs during his TV debates with Kennedy in 1960.
4. Nixon was financially linked to the Mafia and to Cuban casino operations before Castro took over.
5. Nixon was acquainted with Hunt, Baker, Martinez, Sturgis, Carlos Prio Socarras, and other Watergate people and anti-Castro people in Florida, and he was financially linked to Baker, Martinez and Socarras.
6. Hunt, Baker, Sturgis and Socarras were connected with the assassination group in the murder of JFK.
7. Nixon was in Dallas for three days, including the morning of the JFK assassination. He was trying to stir up trouble for Kennedy.
8. Nixon went to Dallas under false pretenses. There was no board meeting of the Pepsi Cola Company as he announced his law firm had had to attend.
9. Nixon did not admit being in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot and did not reveal the true reason for his trip. He held two press conferences on the two days before the assassination, attacking both Kennedy and Johnson and emphasizing the Democratic political problems in Texas.
10. Research indicates that Nixon either knew in advance about assassination plans, or learned about them soon after the assassination.
11. Nixon proposed to Lyndon Johnson that Gerald Ford serve on the Warren Commission.

That's just a summary of Nixon's connections to the assassination before the fact. When you add in the Watergate tapes, the "Bay Of Pigs", and Ford's pardon of Nixon, what you have is a picture of a man who: Knew many of the people connected to both the Kennedy assassination and Watergate (the parallels between the incidents is chilling), lied about being in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and knew many of the people on the Warren Commission, and tried to hire many of the same people to defend him during Watergate. Maybe I'm wrong, but that and what I talked about in my first post on the subject are just too many coincidences for me. And yes, he may have been a puppet in the end, but I think the evidence clearly shows that Nixon pulled more than a few strings himself.

I don't see that Nixon had access to the confidences of any sponsors. And he and his careeer do not strike me as particularly worthy of any confidences either. Nixon was a man who knew where the action was and who the important players were and he sought their patronage. He was and remained an outsider. Sure, he benefitted personally and he may have had a lot of useful information. But again, he didn't place LHO in the book depository or get him in and out of the USSR. Ultimately he was dispensable. As was LBJ. Just another pawn on the chessboard.

I agree Magda totally and the rest of em.

If you wanna go and check out what really happened and how miniscule Nixon was in the grand scheme of things read Jim Di's reveiw of Hogans Secret Agenda, in fact actually get the book from Andy at the Lasy Hurrah and then go to CTKA and do a search on Nixon to understand how flawed the thesis of Nixon as king pin is not only dated but off by a country mile as well.

[Magda Hassan]

I DID say that their were many "coincidences" and connections between Nixon and players on the Warren Commission, the Cuban exile community, and other who had either motive or were used by others with greater motives to get rid of Kennedy.

Definitely.

I DID say that Nixon was apparently intimately familiar with deep details of the plot, as the Watergate tapes clearly show that Nixon was using the assassination to blackmail Richard Helms into cooperating with the White House in the coverup.

Not too deep though. As the outcome shows Nixon was an amateur. But he gave it his best shot.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's precious notions about the conspiracy, the group(s) behind it, or anything like that. I'm just stating that Nixon had to have known about the plot either in advance, or he found out what happened later. I understand that many of the people in this forum have cherished notions about what actually happened, and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended any of those notions.

I hope we've all got some thick skin around here. Alternative ideas and views are welcomed and can be rigourosly tested :poke: and explored:e=mc2:and debated . The only thing rejected here out of hand is the Lone Nut scenario and its variants as it is long since proven beyond a doubt there was a conspiracy before and after the fact.

I WILL unapologetically say one thing: I don't believe in coincidence, except in very rare circumstances.

:flypig: Yes, a rare bird in these parts.

And, if you want to know the REAL power behind Kennedy's murder, read (as I hope most of you already have) Mae Brussell's "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination. I would hope this has clarified my position just a bit.

Yes, the late Mae Brussell is sadly missed. A great researcher.

[Seamus Coogan]

Let me get one thing absolutely straight. I did NOT say that Nixon was a "kingpin" or anything like that concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I DID say that their were many "coincidences" and connections between Nixon and players on the Warren Commission, the Cuban exile community, and other who had either motive or were used by others with greater motives to get rid of Kennedy. I DID say that Nixon was apparently intimately familiar with deep details of the plot, as the Watergate tapes clearly show that Nixon was using the assassination to blackmail Richard Helms into cooperating with the White House in the coverup. And the ONLY way that he would have known to; attempt to blackmail the CIA in general, and Richard Helms in particular, by using the assassination as a lever, is if he knew about the plot or was somehow involved. And THAT is the reason that the "powers that be", as I'll refer to them, exposed Nixon and forced him to resign. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's precious notions about the conspiracy, the group(s) behind it, or anything like that. I'm just stating that Nixon had to have known about the plot either in advance, or he found out what happened later. I understand that many of the people in this forum have cherished notions about what actually happened, and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended any of those notions. I WILL unapologetically say one thing: I don't believe in coincidence, except in very rare circumstances. And there are too many "coincidences" involving Nixon for me to believe that he wasn't involved in the plot in some way, shape, or form. Yes, Nixon was used by forces who were stronger than he was. And when he attempted to use the details of the assassination to cover up Watergate, he had to be removed by those same forces lest the ugly underbelly of the "American dream" be exposed, like a gorilla's bare ass climbing up a tree. They couldn't just shoot Nixon, because by then, most of the nation had become hip to the politics of assassination, and would have suspected something amiss much quicker than they did with Kennedy. Hence the later work of the so-called "media" in character assassination - much easier and less messy in most cases. And, if you want to know the REAL power behind Kennedy's murder, read (as I hope most of you already have) Mae Brussell's "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination. I would hope this has clarified my position just a bit.

Well, let me quote from Richard E. Sprague's book, The Taking Of America 1-2-3, and you'll see where I'm coming from.
1. Nixon was White House action officer on Cuban invasion plans in 1960.
2. Nixon was in contact with Hunt and others during the Bay of Pigs planning.
3. Nixon lied to the American people by his own admission about the Bay of Pigs during his TV debates with Kennedy in 1960.
4. Nixon was financially linked to the Mafia and to Cuban casino operations before Castro took over.
5. Nixon was acquainted with Hunt, Baker, Martinez, Sturgis, Carlos Prio Socarras, and other Watergate people and anti-Castro people in Florida, and he was financially linked to Baker, Martinez and Socarras.
6. Hunt, Baker, Sturgis and Socarras were connected with the assassination group in the murder of JFK.
7. Nixon was in Dallas for three days, including the morning of the JFK assassination. He was trying to stir up trouble for Kennedy.
8. Nixon went to Dallas under false pretenses. There was no board meeting of the Pepsi Cola Company as he announced his law firm had had to attend.
9. Nixon did not admit being in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot and did not reveal the true reason for his trip. He held two press conferences on the two days before the assassination, attacking both Kennedy and Johnson and emphasizing the Democratic political problems in Texas.
10. Research indicates that Nixon either knew in advance about assassination plans, or learned about them soon after the assassination.
11. Nixon proposed to Lyndon Johnson that Gerald Ford serve on the Warren Commission.

That's just a summary of Nixon's connections to the assassination before the fact. When you add in the Watergate tapes, the "Bay Of Pigs", and Ford's pardon of Nixon, what you have is a picture of a man who: Knew many of the people connected to both the Kennedy assassination and Watergate (the parallels between the incidents is chilling), lied about being in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and knew many of the people on the Warren Commission, and tried to hire many of the same people to defend him during Watergate. Maybe I'm wrong, but that and what I talked about in my first post on the subject are just too many coincidences for me. And yes, he may have been a puppet in the end, but I think the evidence clearly shows that Nixon pulled more than a few strings himself.

I don't see that Nixon had access to the confidences of any sponsors. And he and his careeer do not strike me as particularly worthy of any confidences either. Nixon was a man who knew where the action was and who the important players were and he sought their patronage. He was and remained an outsider. Sure, he benefitted personally and he may have had a lot of useful information. But again, he didn't place LHO in the book depository or get him in and out of the USSR. Ultimately he was dispensable. As was LBJ. Just another pawn on the chessboard.

I agree Magda totally and the rest of em.

If you wanna go and check out what really happened and how miniscule Nixon was in the grand scheme of things read Jim Di's reveiw of Hogans Secret Agenda, in fact actually get the book from Andy at the Lasy Hurrah and then go to CTKA and do a search on Nixon to understand how flawed the thesis of Nixon as king pin is not only dated but off by a country mile as well.

Unlike the last post where my writing was rushed and horrific. Let me go again. I agree with Magda once more but I have to say your manner implies that people here have'nt covered an angle that you by some 'miracle of miracles' have. At least that's what I read into this whole thing sadly. As much as I admire a lot of Brussells stuff myself, she is hardly the be all and end all of the Kennedy assassination and she likely would have said so herself.

Putting this whole thing on Nazi's was a pretty popular thing to do in the seventies. And yes I confess, there's certainly connections in terms of ideology not to mention the CIA and the US govt nefarious employment right throughout the defence apparatus and no one can deny Dulles connections to Farben. However, this whole thing can fall into the realms of the utterly fraudulent 'Torbitt Document' very quickly. There's a lot of disinformation concerning the Agency being taken over by Nazi's and even Communists themselves. I think its all bunk, the agency use whom they want when they want, be you Christian, Jew, Muslim, Socialist, Capitalist, Black, White, Nazi, Moony. The list is endless.

I do suggest you check out what's here on DPF and Lancer and the articles over at CTKA. I have an interesting outtake from Nixon dealing with Helms from Stones 'Nixon' which never made it into the film which I'll put up. I think its a fair indication of the the relationship between the too.

[James Lewis]

Actually, I wasn't putting the whole thing on Nazis at all. I was merely giving some background on some of the various types of people who may have been involved. As to how the actual way the assassination could have been put in motion, read Fletcher Prouty's "The Sabotaging Of The American Presidency". Opened my eves for sure. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/SAP.html

Let me get one thing absolutely straight. I did NOT say that Nixon was a "kingpin" or anything like that concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I DID say that their were many "coincidences" and connections between Nixon and players on the Warren Commission, the Cuban exile community, and other who had either motive or were used by others with greater motives to get rid of Kennedy. I DID say that Nixon was apparently intimately familiar with deep details of the plot, as the Watergate tapes clearly show that Nixon was using the assassination to blackmail Richard Helms into cooperating with the White House in the coverup. And the ONLY way that he would have known to; attempt to blackmail the CIA in general, and Richard Helms in particular, by using the assassination as a lever, is if he knew about the plot or was somehow involved. And THAT is the reason that the "powers that be", as I'll refer to them, exposed Nixon and forced him to resign. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's precious notions about the conspiracy, the group(s) behind it, or anything like that. I'm just stating that Nixon had to have known about the plot either in advance, or he found out what happened later. I understand that many of the people in this forum have cherished notions about what actually happened, and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended any of those notions. I WILL unapologetically say one thing: I don't believe in coincidence, except in very rare circumstances. And there are too many "coincidences" involving Nixon for me to believe that he wasn't involved in the plot in some way, shape, or form. Yes, Nixon was used by forces who were stronger than he was. And when he attempted to use the details of the assassination to cover up Watergate, he had to be removed by those same forces lest the ugly underbelly of the "American dream" be exposed, like a gorilla's bare ass climbing up a tree. They couldn't just shoot Nixon, because by then, most of the nation had become hip to the politics of assassination, and would have suspected something amiss much quicker than they did with Kennedy. Hence the later work of the so-called "media" in character assassination - much easier and less messy in most cases. And, if you want to know the REAL power behind Kennedy's murder, read (as I hope most of you already have) Mae Brussell's "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination. I would hope this has clarified my position just a bit.

Well, let me quote from Richard E. Sprague's book, The Taking Of America 1-2-3, and you'll see where I'm coming from.
1. Nixon was White House action officer on Cuban invasion plans in 1960.
2. Nixon was in contact with Hunt and others during the Bay of Pigs planning.
3. Nixon lied to the American people by his own admission about the Bay of Pigs during his TV debates with Kennedy in 1960.
4. Nixon was financially linked to the Mafia and to Cuban casino operations before Castro took over.
5. Nixon was acquainted with Hunt, Baker, Martinez, Sturgis, Carlos Prio Socarras, and other Watergate people and anti-Castro people in Florida, and he was financially linked to Baker, Martinez and Socarras.
6. Hunt, Baker, Sturgis and Socarras were connected with the assassination group in the murder of JFK.
7. Nixon was in Dallas for three days, including the morning of the JFK assassination. He was trying to stir up trouble for Kennedy.
8. Nixon went to Dallas under false pretenses. There was no board meeting of the Pepsi Cola Company as he announced his law firm had had to attend.
9. Nixon did not admit being in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot and did not reveal the true reason for his trip. He held two press conferences on the two days before the assassination, attacking both Kennedy and Johnson and emphasizing the Democratic political problems in Texas.
10. Research indicates that Nixon either knew in advance about assassination plans, or learned about them soon after the assassination.
11. Nixon proposed to Lyndon Johnson that Gerald Ford serve on the Warren Commission.

That's just a summary of Nixon's connections to the assassination before the fact. When you add in the Watergate tapes, the "Bay Of Pigs", and Ford's pardon of Nixon, what you have is a picture of a man who: Knew many of the people connected to both the Kennedy assassination and Watergate (the parallels between the incidents is chilling), lied about being in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and knew many of the people on the Warren Commission, and tried to hire many of the same people to defend him during Watergate. Maybe I'm wrong, but that and what I talked about in my first post on the subject are just too many coincidences for me. And yes, he may have been a puppet in the end, but I think the evidence clearly shows that Nixon pulled more than a few strings himself.

I agree Magda totally and the rest of em.

If you wanna go and check out what really happened and how miniscule Nixon was in the grand scheme of things read Jim Di's reveiw of Hogans Secret Agenda, in fact actually get the book from Andy at the Lasy Hurrah and then go to CTKA and do a search on Nixon to understand how flawed the thesis of Nixon as king pin is not only dated but off by a country mile as well.

Unlike the last post where my writing was rushed and horrific. Let me go again. I agree with Magda once more but I have to say your manner implies that people here have'nt covered an angle that you by some 'miracle of miracles' have. At least that's what I read into this whole thing sadly. As much as I admire a lot of Brussells stuff myself, she is hardly the be all and end all of the Kennedy assassination and she likely would have said so herself.

Putting this whole thing on Nazi's was a pretty popular thing to do in the seventies. And yes I confess, there's certainly connections in terms of ideology not to mention the CIA and the US govt nefarious employment right throughout the defence apparatus and no one can deny Dulles connections to Farben. However, this whole thing can fall into the realms of the utterly fraudulent 'Torbitt Document' very quickly. There's a lot of disinformation concerning the Agency being taken over by Nazi's and even Communists themselves. I think its all bunk, the agency use whom they want when they want, be you Christian, Jew, Muslim, Socialist, Capitalist, Black, White, Nazi, Moony. The list is endless.

I do suggest you check out what's here on DPF and Lancer and the articles over at CTKA. I have an interesting outtake from Nixon dealing with Helms from Stones 'Nixon' which never made it into the film which I'll put up. I think its a fair indication of the the relationship between the too.

[LR Trotter]

I don't recall ever seriously entertaining the thought that either LBJ or RMN were in control of the JFK assassination. And, following this discussion has only made me more confident of my opinion that has been developed over the years of study. So, I tend to agree with the thought that both LBJ and RMN at some point became aware of the facts, and possibly assisted in covering up the truth for various reasons, but they were not "in charge".

[James Lewis]

I have checked out what you suggested, and I agree with its basic premise. As far as Mae Brussell goes, from what I've read of her stuff (and that's a lot), she was right far more than she was wrong. What I was saying was that Nixon seemed to know a LOT about the assassination, and he tried to use that info to blackmail the CIA...and that was the root reason he was removed from office. Kingpin, no - but very informed observer, yes.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussel...Power.html

Let me get one thing absolutely straight. I did NOT say that Nixon was a "kingpin" or anything like that concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I DID say that their were many "coincidences" and connections between Nixon and players on the Warren Commission, the Cuban exile community, and other who had either motive or were used by others with greater motives to get rid of Kennedy. I DID say that Nixon was apparently intimately familiar with deep details of the plot, as the Watergate tapes clearly show that Nixon was using the assassination to blackmail Richard Helms into cooperating with the White House in the coverup. And the ONLY way that he would have known to; attempt to blackmail the CIA in general, and Richard Helms in particular, by using the assassination as a lever, is if he knew about the plot or was somehow involved. And THAT is the reason that the "powers that be", as I'll refer to them, exposed Nixon and forced him to resign. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's precious notions about the conspiracy, the group(s) behind it, or anything like that. I'm just stating that Nixon had to have known about the plot either in advance, or he found out what happened later. I understand that many of the people in this forum have cherished notions about what actually happened, and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended any of those notions. I WILL unapologetically say one thing: I don't believe in coincidence, except in very rare circumstances. And there are too many "coincidences" involving Nixon for me to believe that he wasn't involved in the plot in some way, shape, or form. Yes, Nixon was used by forces who were stronger than he was. And when he attempted to use the details of the assassination to cover up Watergate, he had to be removed by those same forces lest the ugly underbelly of the "American dream" be exposed, like a gorilla's bare ass climbing up a tree. They couldn't just shoot Nixon, because by then, most of the nation had become hip to the politics of assassination, and would have suspected something amiss much quicker than they did with Kennedy. Hence the later work of the so-called "media" in character assassination - much easier and less messy in most cases. And, if you want to know the REAL power behind Kennedy's murder, read (as I hope most of you already have) Mae Brussell's "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination. I would hope this has clarified my position just a bit.

Well, let me quote from Richard E. Sprague's book, The Taking Of America 1-2-3, and you'll see where I'm coming from.
1. Nixon was White House action officer on Cuban invasion plans in 1960.
2. Nixon was in contact with Hunt and others during the Bay of Pigs planning.
3. Nixon lied to the American people by his own admission about the Bay of Pigs during his TV debates with Kennedy in 1960.
4. Nixon was financially linked to the Mafia and to Cuban casino operations before Castro took over.
5. Nixon was acquainted with Hunt, Baker, Martinez, Sturgis, Carlos Prio Socarras, and other Watergate people and anti-Castro people in Florida, and he was financially linked to Baker, Martinez and Socarras.
6. Hunt, Baker, Sturgis and Socarras were connected with the assassination group in the murder of JFK.
7. Nixon was in Dallas for three days, including the morning of the JFK assassination. He was trying to stir up trouble for Kennedy.
8. Nixon went to Dallas under false pretenses. There was no board meeting of the Pepsi Cola Company as he announced his law firm had had to attend.
9. Nixon did not admit being in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot and did not reveal the true reason for his trip. He held two press conferences on the two days before the assassination, attacking both Kennedy and Johnson and emphasizing the Democratic political problems in Texas.
10. Research indicates that Nixon either knew in advance about assassination plans, or learned about them soon after the assassination.
11. Nixon proposed to Lyndon Johnson that Gerald Ford serve on the Warren Commission.

That's just a summary of Nixon's connections to the assassination before the fact. When you add in the Watergate tapes, the "Bay Of Pigs", and Ford's pardon of Nixon, what you have is a picture of a man who: Knew many of the people connected to both the Kennedy assassination and Watergate (the parallels between the incidents is chilling), lied about being in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and knew many of the people on the Warren Commission, and tried to hire many of the same people to defend him during Watergate. Maybe I'm wrong, but that and what I talked about in my first post on the subject are just too many coincidences for me. And yes, he may have been a puppet in the end, but I think the evidence clearly shows that Nixon pulled more than a few strings himself.

I agree Magda totally and the rest of em.

If you wanna go and check out what really happened and how miniscule Nixon was in the grand scheme of things read Jim Di's reveiw of Hogans Secret Agenda, in fact actually get the book from Andy at the Lasy Hurrah and then go to CTKA and do a search on Nixon to understand how flawed the thesis of Nixon as king pin is not only dated but off by a country mile as well.

Unlike the last post where my writing was rushed and horrific. Let me go again. I agree with Magda once more but I have to say your manner implies that people here have'nt covered an angle that you by some 'miracle of miracles' have. At least that's what I read into this whole thing sadly. As much as I admire a lot of Brussells stuff myself, she is hardly the be all and end all of the Kennedy assassination and she likely would have said so herself.

Putting this whole thing on Nazi's was a pretty popular thing to do in the seventies. And yes I confess, there's certainly connections in terms of ideology not to mention the CIA and the US govt nefarious employment right throughout the defence apparatus and no one can deny Dulles connections to Farben. However, this whole thing can fall into the realms of the utterly fraudulent 'Torbitt Document' very quickly. There's a lot of disinformation concerning the Agency being taken over by Nazi's and even Communists themselves. I think its all bunk, the agency use whom they want when they want, be you Christian, Jew, Muslim, Socialist, Capitalist, Black, White, Nazi, Moony. The list is endless.

I do suggest you check out what's here on DPF and Lancer and the articles over at CTKA. I have an interesting outtake from Nixon dealing with Helms from Stones 'Nixon' which never made it into the film which I'll put up. I think its a fair indication of the the relationship between the too.

[Seamus Coogan]

I have checked out what you suggested, and I agree with its basic premise. As far as Mae Brussell goes, from what I've read of her stuff (and that's a lot), she was right far more than she was wrong. What I was saying was that Nixon seemed to know a LOT about the assassination, and he tried to use that info to blackmail the CIA...and that was the root reason he was removed from office. Kingpin, no - but very informed observer, yes.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussel...Power.html

Let me get one thing absolutely straight. I did NOT say that Nixon was a "kingpin" or anything like that concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I DID say that their were many "coincidences" and connections between Nixon and players on the Warren Commission, the Cuban exile community, and other who had either motive or were used by others with greater motives to get rid of Kennedy. I DID say that Nixon was apparently intimately familiar with deep details of the plot, as the Watergate tapes clearly show that Nixon was using the assassination to blackmail Richard Helms into cooperating with the White House in the coverup. And the ONLY way that he would have known to; attempt to blackmail the CIA in general, and Richard Helms in particular, by using the assassination as a lever, is if he knew about the plot or was somehow involved. And THAT is the reason that the "powers that be", as I'll refer to them, exposed Nixon and forced him to resign. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's precious notions about the conspiracy, the group(s) behind it, or anything like that. I'm just stating that Nixon had to have known about the plot either in advance, or he found out what happened later. I understand that many of the people in this forum have cherished notions about what actually happened, and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended any of those notions. I WILL unapologetically say one thing: I don't believe in coincidence, except in very rare circumstances. And there are too many "coincidences" involving Nixon for me to believe that he wasn't involved in the plot in some way, shape, or form. Yes, Nixon was used by forces who were stronger than he was. And when he attempted to use the details of the assassination to cover up Watergate, he had to be removed by those same forces lest the ugly underbelly of the "American dream" be exposed, like a gorilla's bare ass climbing up a tree. They couldn't just shoot Nixon, because by then, most of the nation had become hip to the politics of assassination, and would have suspected something amiss much quicker than they did with Kennedy. Hence the later work of the so-called "media" in character assassination - much easier and less messy in most cases. And, if you want to know the REAL power behind Kennedy's murder, read (as I hope most of you already have) Mae Brussell's "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination. I would hope this has clarified my position just a bit.

I agree Magda totally and the rest of em.

If you wanna go and check out what really happened and how miniscule Nixon was in the grand scheme of things read Jim Di's reveiw of Hogans Secret Agenda, in fact actually get the book from Andy at the Lasy Hurrah and then go to CTKA and do a search on Nixon to understand how flawed the thesis of Nixon as king pin is not only dated but off by a country mile as well.

Unlike the last post where my writing was rushed and horrific. Let me go again. I agree with Magda once more but I have to say your manner implies that people here have'nt covered an angle that you by some 'miracle of miracles' have. At least that's what I read into this whole thing sadly. As much as I admire a lot of Brussells stuff myself, she is hardly the be all and end all of the Kennedy assassination and she likely would have said so herself.

Putting this whole thing on Nazi's was a pretty popular thing to do in the seventies. And yes I confess, there's certainly connections in terms of ideology not to mention the CIA and the US govt nefarious employment right throughout the defence apparatus and no one can deny Dulles connections to Farben. However, this whole thing can fall into the realms of the utterly fraudulent 'Torbitt Document' very quickly. There's a lot of disinformation concerning the Agency being taken over by Nazi's and even Communists themselves. I think its all bunk, the agency use whom they want when they want, be you Christian, Jew, Muslim, Socialist, Capitalist, Black, White, Nazi, Moony. The list is endless.

I do suggest you check out what's here on DPF and Lancer and the articles over at CTKA. I have an interesting outtake from Nixon dealing with Helms from Stones 'Nixon' which never made it into the film which I'll put up. I think its a fair indication of the the relationship between the too.

Absolutely bang on. I think Nixon felt he had the cards in his pocket and he really didn't know what he was up against. Nixon certainly knew a lot and he wasn't messing with that 'Bay of Pigs Thing' The fascinating thing is of course that he didn't even know Hunt was on his staff. Boy oh boy. Jim Hougans stuff on all this really interesting. Nixon complex SOB.

[Ed Jewett]

On the very last page (it's unnumbered, and in the Reading Group Guide section of the Simon and Schuster/Touchstone 2008 edition of JFK and the Unspeakable) (my copy is inscribed and signed by the author), Douglass answers this question:

"Is there anything else you uncovered about the JFK assassination conspiracy that you wish had been included in [the book], or were you able to fit all of your findings in the book?"

He answered:

"I included only what I could back up with solid sources that the reader could check out. Hence all the endnotes. There is far more than this beneath the surface. Yet we know enough, and have known enough for a long time, to see the truth. I believe that what is written here is only a tiny, visible piece of a systemic evil that continues to reach into the depths of our world. But grace also abounds. Peace is possible."

Color emphasis is mine.