Liz Smith on the JFK Assasination

[Dawn Meredith]

Adele,
When I attempted to view those links I was not able unless I was a member, which I am not interested in becoming. (I thought- perhaps eronously so- that one could view all assassination forums, just not post unless one joins)??

Dawn

[Adele Edisen]

Dawn.
I copied the print form of the first posting for you. Part II will follow.

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Main Forum => Multimedia Clips -- Video => Topic started by: aedisen on February 09, 2008, 05:41 PM

Title: Where Was LBJ on Thursday, November 21, 1963?
Post by: aedisen on February 09, 2008, 05:41 PM
Where Was LBJ on Thursday, November 21, 1963?

I found the following VIDEOS on Google which are records of part of the Texas trip undertaken by President John Kennedy and Vice-President Lyndon Johnson in November of 1963.

Later, I shall post further information concerning their whereabouts on the evening of Thursday, November 21, and the early morning of Friday, November 22, 1963.

(1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2tQRfyucKY

President Kennedy's Fort Worth visit on November 22, 1963. - Find ...
The visual packet- are clips of the President in Fort Worth on the morning of November 22, 1963 as he shakes hands with people outside the Hotel Texas where ...

(2) http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item...82403.aspx

YouTube - President Kennedy in San Antonio on November 21, 1963.
It was going to be San Antonio to Houston to Fort Worth on November 21, then Fort Worth to Dallas to Austin on November 22, 1963). This is the section which ...

(3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep1ihYkemMY

November 22, 1963: Death of the President - John F. Kennedy ...
Rice Hotel, Houston, Texas, 21 November 1963. President Kennedy speaks at rally in Fort Worth, Texas, 22 November 1963. Fort Worth rally, 22 November 1963 ...

(4) Document http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Res...sident.htm

Adele

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[Adele Edisen]

Part II of Where Was LBJ on Thursday, November 21, 1963?

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Main Forum => Multimedia Clips -- Video => Topic started by: aedisen on February 09, 2008, 07:13 PM

Title: Where Was LBJ on Thursday, November 21, 1963? Part II
Post by: aedisen on February 09, 2008, 07:13 PM
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/prin...=110004330

A Day To Remember
By James M. Perry
The Wall Street Journal
Friday, Novemer 21, 2003

EXCERPT:
Those who were traveling with President Kennedy those two fateful days 40 years ago remember little things. I remember Thursday night, when he appeared with Jackie at a meeting in the Rice Hotel in Houston of the League of United Latin American Citizens. "I am going to ask my wife to say a few words to you also," the 46-year-old president said. Mrs. Kennedy began speaking, very slowly, in Spanish. "Estoy muy contenta de estar en el gran estado de Texas." As far as we could tell, she did, indeed, seem to be happy in the great state of Texas. The crowd roared again. "Olé! Olé!"

We flew late that night from Houston to Fort Worth. All the high-rises in Fort Worth had been trimmed in yellow lights to welcome the Kennedys. They didn't get to their Texas Hotel suite until 12:30 a.m. It amused all of us to discover that Vice President and Mrs. Lyndon Johnson, traveling with the first couple, had managed to secure the hotel's most expensive suite. It cost $100 a day, we were told, $25 more than the Kennedys'.

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http://www.informationonliberation.com?id=15167

LBJ Night Before JFK Assassination: "Those SOBs Will Never Embarrass Me Again"
By Paul Joseph Watson
August 30.\, 2006

http://www.informationonliberation.com?id=15167
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The Full Video - Takes a little while to get started, so be patient.

VIDEO - Madeleine Duncan Brown's Full Interview by Robert Gaylon Ross
on June 22, 2002 - VIDEO - 81 minutes long

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...5635576415

Adele

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[Linda Minor]

I listened to the Madeleine Brown interview about the meeting and was amazed that the interviewer didn't ask about what John J. McCloy was doing there and what she knew about him. McCloy, besides being on the Warren Commission, was attorney for the seven sisters oil companies--the majors. Hunt, Murchison and Sid Richardson were supposedly independent oil men.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...feed&hl=en

McCloy was attorney for the Rockefellers, who were Republicans. She didn't mention anyone being at the meeting who were connected to Humble Oil, such as Bush's friend Farish. She didn't mention the Liedtkes, who were Bush's partners and whose father had been a career attorney for the Mellons in Gulf Oil. I can't figure out what McCloy would have been doing there.

[Myra Bronstein]

I listened to the Madeleine Brown interview about the meeting and was amazed that the interviewer didn't ask about what John J. McCloy was doing there and what she knew about him. McCloy, besides being on the Warren Commission, was attorney for the seven sisters oil companies--the majors. Hunt, Murchison and Sid Richardson were supposedly independent oil men.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...feed&hl=en

That interviewer was awful. He just asked his canned list of questions without listening to the answers so he could follow up when she said something interesting.

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McCloy was attorney for the Rockefellers, who were Republicans. She didn't mention anyone being at the meeting who were connected to Humble Oil, such as Bush's friend Farish. She didn't mention the Liedtkes, who were Bush's partners and whose father had been a career attorney for the Mellons in Gulf Oil. I can't figure out what McCloy would have been doing there.

Because McCloy is a "person of interest" in the assassination of President Kennedy, and because I want to know more about the role of each of the insiders on the WC, I did a brief summary of McCloy's connections. I can sure see why he was called "Chairman of the American Establishment."

• Attended Harvard and fraternized w Rockerfellers. Lawyer.
  
• Dates?--Legal counselor to the major German chemical combine I. G. Farben; pro-German.
  
• 1936--Shared a box with Hitler at the Olympics
  
• 1941-1945--Assistant Secretary of War for Roosevelt under Henry Stimson; crucial voice in setting U.S. military priorities; refused to endorse USAAF bombing raids on the rail approaches to Auschwitz concentration camp that would have saved Nazi Holocaust victims.
  
• Name partner at Milbank law firm that worked for Rockefeller family & Chase Manhattan bank.
  

In this capacity he acted for the "Seven Sisters", the leading multinational oil companies, including Exxon, in their initial confrontations with the nationalisation movement in Libya—as well as negotiations with Saudi Arabia and OPEC.

• 1946-1949--Trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation
  
• 1947-1949--First President of the World Bank President (Truman).
  
• 1949-1952--U.S. Military Governor & U.S. High Commissioner for Germany; oversaw the creation of the Federal Republic of Germany; pardoned/commuted sentences of Nazi criminals took place, including those of the prominent industrialists Friedrich Flick and Alfried Krupp.
  
• 1953-1958--Trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation
  
• 1958-?--Member of Draper Committee
  
• 1953-1960--Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank (working closely w D Rockefeller)
  
• Member of Georgetown Set
  
• 1954-1970--Chairman Council on Foreign Relations (before D Rockefeller); (CFR study groups helped to lay the framework of thinking that led to the Marshall Plan & NATO). Mentored Henry Kissinger?
  
• 1958-1965--Chairman of the Ford Foundation
  
• Advisor to advisor to John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan
  
• 1963—Warren Commission
  

He was selected by Johnson to serve on the Warren Commission in 1963. Notably, he was initially sceptical of the lone gunman theory, but a trip to Dallas with Allen Dulles, an old friend also serving on the Commission, in the spring of 1964 to visit the scene of the assassination convinced him of the case against Oswald. The only prominent lawyer among the seven commissioners, with the posssible exception of U.S. Chief Justice Earl Warren, he brokered the final consensus — avoiding a minority dissenting report — and the crucial wording of the primary conclusion of the final report. He stated that any possible evidence of a conspiracy was "beyond the reach" of all of America's investigatory agencies — principally the FBI and the CIA — as well as the Commission itself.

• 1963—Recipient Sylvanus Thayer Award by the United States Military Academy at West Point.
  
• 1966-968--Honorary Chairman of the Paris-based Atlantic Institute for NATO
  
• 1978--Honorary German citizen
  

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[Adele Edisen]

Dr, Donald Gibson, Professor of Sociology, in his books, The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up and The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up Revisited refers to the Warren Commission as the McCloy-Dulles Commission. These two Wall Street lawyers controlled the work of the Commission by having selected the lead counsel, determining which witnesses would be called, and in other ways took over the direction of the Commission's work.

Three of the seven members of the Commission disagreed with its published conclusions. They were Hale Boggs, Representative from Louisiana; John Sherman Cooper, Senator from Kentucky; and Richard Russell, Senator from Georgia.

Adele

[Linda Minor]

Dr, Donald Gibson, Professor of Sociology, in his books, The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up and The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up Revisited refers to the Warren Commission as the McCloy-Dulles Commission. These two Wall Street lawyers controlled the work of the Commission by having selected the lead counsel, determining which witnesses would be called, and in other ways took over the direction of the Commission's work.Three of the seven members of the Commission disagreed with its published conclusions. They were Hale Boggs, Representative from Louisiana; John Sherman Cooper, Senator from Kentucky; and Richard Russell, Senator from Georgia.
Adele

In a related thread, David Teacher has joined the Forum and is ready to discuss his work on Le Cercle. I began reading it yesterday after listening to the Brown interview and noticing her mentioning the presence of McCloy at the meeting with LBJ on Nov. 21, 1963. What began to stand out to me was that McCloy was the only man there with any power, and his power went back to his representation of Big Oil, not independent oil men who had gotten rich in East Texas oilfields. McCloy also had internationalist connections to the group David Teacher has written about--especially to Jean Monnet. I think people will never understand the Texas mentality until they figure out how important Texans have been in setting up this international trade infrastructure in Washington accomplished by Col. House, who was actually the person who set up the Allied Maritime Transport Council for which Jean Monnet was employed.

Assassination researchers often seem to forget the need to study history in order to understand the forces that were at play before 1963.

[David Guyatt]

That's interesting about Colonel House Linda. Can't wait till your book is out...

[Bill Kelly]

While Ms. Brown and McLoy are interesting, I'd like to bring this thread back around to Liz Smith and her article on Legacy of Secrecy.

David quotes Jung, who was a periphial player in the Valkyrie Plot to assassinate Hitler.

Liz Smith mentions the Valkyrie Plot was studied by those in the CIA and US military who were trying to pull off a coup in Cuba, but I can't find it anywhere in Legacy of Secrey.

There is a mention of this angle in Russo's book, Brothers In Arms, and I think she might be getting them confused, or am I wrong, and there is a mention of the Valkyrie Plot in Waldron's book?

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/...plaza.html

Thanks,

Bill Kelly

[David Guyatt]

Hi Bill, I'm intrigued by your reference to Jung being involved in the Valkyrie plot. I have a fairly extensive library on Jung and have never come across this and would be grateful if you can elucidate this a bit more for me.

I know he was on a nazi list to be liquidated when the Nazi's invaded Switzerland, which they planned to do (but stopped short of a day or two before kicking off).