Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved..

[Phil Dragoo]

In my view, the most tragic omission of education is the correct history.

Every time we see Oswald or Sirhan or Ray mentioned in the literature, it is an indictment of the pyramid from eye to chalkboard, from corporate headquarters to ad fairy.

I am certain George Herbert Walker Bush or the prissy pissed-off Richard Helms could enunciate any orthographic or grammatical construction, but would they tell us who shot JFK and gave us this legacy of lies.

I think we can forgive anything but evil.

And the most evil resides in the former home of a "school book depository" repeating the propaganda.

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Charles' spirits raised in a toast to one opportune bolt of lightning on Elm Street.

[Charles Drago]

And my glass raised to Phil's execution of concept -- if you'll excuse the phrase.

[Seamus Coogan]

Believe it or not guys I was an ace speller when I was a kid. Where did all that go?

You've lost your incentive now that you don't get an elephant stamp any more? hutup:

It was a huge lack of incentive love lol!!!

[Dawn Meredith]

Of course Jim Di knows that stuff lol. But when you get Jim Di and Lisa Pease saying something is a crock of shite like Janney is. I'm sorry to say your going into chronic over kill mate! Crump could just have been a psychopath and Meyer could have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes as Magda says "A cigar is just a cigar".

Sorry, Seamus, but Jim and Lisa would be the last two people to endorse the logical fallacy of argument from authority.

And to continue your Deep Politics 101 and Logic 101 education: Even if they or anyone else could disprove convincingly Janney's hypothesis, it would tell us nothing about the nature of Mary Pinchot Meyer's demise other than it likely did not happen the way Janney describes.

The simplest explanation of Meyer's death that includes an appreciation of context: the murder was a deep political act.

This is what I have always thought as well. Now I am more on the fence after reading Lisa's review of Janney's book. I would like to hear more from you and Peter on this as I know too little about this matter to have any conclusion except that based on a hunch. I've heard the JKF/Mary Meyer LSD stories for decades and actually thought that was rather cool, if it occurred. And all the diary stuff lends itself to the notion of the murder being a "deep political act". Lisa's review pulled me one way now I am back in the middle. Open.

Dawn

[Seamus Coogan]

This is what I have always thought as well. Now I am more on the fence after reading Lisa's review of Janney's book. I would like to hear more from you and Peter on this as I know too little about this matter to have any conclusion except that based on a hunch. I've heard the JKF/Mary Meyer LSD stories for decades and actually thought that was rather cool, if it occurred. And all the diary stuff lends itself to the notion of the murder being a "deep political act". Lisa's review pulled me one way now I am back in the middle. Open.

Dawn

Yeah its funny sister. Note how I mispelt insentive oh god 'incentive'!!!! But yeah I had the same feeling that it was cool JFK was tripping out as well. Sadly, the sources for it just really aren't there or are very credible. I mean Leary has been proven to be such a stooge of the establishment, rather than counter culture guru (as we all know). I mean I couldn't trust a word from his mouth. Well before I'd read his involvement in the Meyer case, or even knew he was behind 'the cool' story. I'd come across a lot of shit that made me very cynical of him. When I saw Jim give him some grief years back about it all, I was like 'right on brother'!

The Diary stuff I assume will be discussed in Part II of this essay. I have not asked Jim what was going on. I think Peter from what I have seen is pretty pro the diary angle. I don't know how much you will learn from Pete and I going head to head. I mean up with Carl Ogelsbys commentary, The Posthumous Assassination of JFK article, was one of the things that really turned me 360 on JFK, not only that altered my perceptions of the assassination. I mean I can dig out the info or links I have discussing Leary. My angle on it all is really 'if', just 'if' it was a deep political act. It may not have anything to do with JFK or the assassination at all. A lot of people die for a lot of different things. The evidence accumulated by Lisa and Jim not to mention the poor sourcing of Janney, really do put a kaibosh for me on the JFK angle.

[Dawn Meredith]

This is what I have always thought as well. Now I am more on the fence after reading Lisa's review of Janney's book. I would like to hear more from you and Peter on this as I know too little about this matter to have any conclusion except that based on a hunch. I've heard the JKF/Mary Meyer LSD stories for decades and actually thought that was rather cool, if it occurred. And all the diary stuff lends itself to the notion of the murder being a "deep political act". Lisa's review pulled me one way now I am back in the middle. Open.

Dawn

Yeah its funny sister. Note how I mispelt insentive oh god 'incentive'!!!! But yeah I had the same feeling that it was cool JFK was tripping out as well. Sadly, the sources for it just really aren't there or are very credible. I mean Leary has been proven to be such a stooge of the establishment, rather than counter culture guru (as we all know). I mean I couldn't trust a word from his mouth. Well before I'd read his involvement in the Meyer case, or even knew he was behind 'the cool' story. I'd come across a lot of shit that made me very cynical of him. When I saw Jim give him some grief years back about it all, I was like 'right on brother'!

The Diary stuff I assume will be discussed in Part II of this essay. I have not asked Jim what was going on. I think Peter from what I have seen is pretty pro the diary angle. I don't know how much you will learn from Pete and I going head to head. I mean up with Carl Ogelsbys commentary, The Posthumous Assassination of JFK article, was one of the things that really turned me 360 on JFK, not only that altered my perceptions of the assassination. I mean I can dig out the info or links I have discussing Leary. My angle on it all is really 'if', just 'if' it was a deep political act. It may not have anything to do with JFK or the assassination at all. A lot of people die for a lot of different things. The evidence accumulated by Lisa and Jim not to mention the poor sourcing of Janney, really do put a kaibosh for me on the JFK angle.

Not sure exactly what you mean by "Carl Oglesby's commentary". Carl had different views at different times. He was one of my closest friends on planet earth from 1973 til he died last fall. But he got a bit fowled up on the JFK assassination. It began with Blakey, with whom he was impressed. God only knows why. But it was not really til the 90's that he began having difficulty with memory and began spouting the Mob did it bs. I used to think someone did something to his brilliant mind for him to spout that stuff. I don't think he ever commited that nonsense to paper. I just looked briefly at his chapter in Garrison's book on the matter and he was still making good sense. ( I finally figured out the memory lapses were from depression over his final divorce from the evil Sally). I see you have a quote of his as your tag line. It made me sad to see it...We talked on the phone regularily until I got the call...that he was ver very ill. He died three days later.

Of course I read Lisa's review. I read all of Jim and Lisa's stuff. And I regularily recommend his Posthumous article. It is a very important piece to understand just why these trash books come out. What the true motive is.

I also agree Crump could have been used. It seems that there is just much that is unknowable.

Dawn

[Seamus Coogan]

This is what I have always thought as well. Now I am more on the fence after reading Lisa's review of Janney's book. I would like to hear more from you and Peter on this as I know too little about this matter to have any conclusion except that based on a hunch. I've heard the JKF/Mary Meyer LSD stories for decades and actually thought that was rather cool, if it occurred. And all the diary stuff lends itself to the notion of the murder being a "deep political act". Lisa's review pulled me one way now I am back in the middle. Open.

Dawn

Yeah its funny sister. Note how I mispelt insentive oh god 'incentive'!!!! But yeah I had the same feeling that it was cool JFK was tripping out as well. Sadly, the sources for it just really aren't there or are very credible. I mean Leary has been proven to be such a stooge of the establishment, rather than counter culture guru (as we all know). I mean I couldn't trust a word from his mouth. Well before I'd read his involvement in the Meyer case, or even knew he was behind 'the cool' story. I'd come across a lot of shit that made me very cynical of him. When I saw Jim give him some grief years back about it all, I was like 'right on brother'!

The Diary stuff I assume will be discussed in Part II of this essay. I have not asked Jim what was going on. I think Peter from what I have seen is pretty pro the diary angle. I don't know how much you will learn from Pete and I going head to head. I mean up with Carl Ogelsbys commentary, The Posthumous Assassination of JFK article, was one of the things that really turned me 360 on JFK, not only that altered my perceptions of the assassination. I mean I can dig out the info or links I have discussing Leary. My angle on it all is really 'if', just 'if' it was a deep political act. It may not have anything to do with JFK or the assassination at all. A lot of people die for a lot of different things. The evidence accumulated by Lisa and Jim not to mention the poor sourcing of Janney, really do put a kaibosh for me on the JFK angle.

Not sure exactly what you mean by "Carl Oglesby's commentary". Carl had different views at different times. He was one of my closest friends on planet earth from 1973 til he died last fall. But he got a bit fowled up on the JFK assassination. It began with Blakey, with whom he was impressed. God only knows why. But it was not really til the 90's that he began having difficulty with memory and began spouting the Mob did it bs. I used to think someone did something to his brilliant mind for him to spout that stuff. I don't think he ever commited that nonsense to paper. I just looked briefly at his chapter in Garrison's book on the matter and he was still making good sense. ( I finally figured out the memory lapses were from depression over his final divorce from the evil Sally). I see you have a quote of his as your tag line. It made me sad to see it...We talked on the phone regularily until I got the call...that he was ver very ill. He died three days later.

Of course I read Lisa's review. I read all of Jim and Lisa's stuff. And I regularily recommend his Posthumous article. It is a very important piece to understand just why these trash books come out. What the true motive is.

I also agree Crump could have been used. It seems that there is just much that is unknowable.

Dawn

Yeah Dawn the quote below was seminal really. It really made me serious about the case, when I was day dreaming all kinds of baloney. To find the best sources I could and bingo I wound up here lol. But yeah he was a supporter of Blakey and I remember his justifications for supporting him. What you are saying is intriguing, because Initially he seemed to be quite pragmatic about it all and didn't seem to fully buy the idea. Hmmmm bloody interesting stuff in particularly his lady friend. Because the quote I got was from about phewwww 1991 or 2 and he seemed to be more or less agency did it with mob then. The Posthumous article is great isn't it.