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Oswald in Minsk
#51
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:One reason people might be denied travel permission is that they have not yet done their required time in their occupation for which they have been trained.

Around 1967, my dad's cousin, who was born and lived in communist Poland, was in her early twenties, was married with a five-year-old son, and had just been through Polish medical school to train as an anaesthetist. She decided to try to travel to England. The Polish communist authorities refused to allow her to travel with her son and husband, and my mother, as the English citizen, had to invite and "sponsor" her visit, guaranteeing that would have a place to live and would not be a financial drain on the state. The Polish authorities were so concerned at losing their investment in a newly trained doctor that they effectively kept her son hostage in Poland as a guarantor of her return.
Exactly. That would be one of those circumstances. As one sees it is all futile in any case.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:In short, I am suspicious of the ease with which Marina was allowed to leave the USSR.
I just think she was of more potential use to the USSR state out than in.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I am even more suspicious of the lack of officially disclosed debriefing of LHO and Marina, and the lack of official monitoring of this couple, after their arrival in the USA.
Oh, yes, me too on this one. Very suspicious.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:The involvement of the emigre White Russain community in l'affair Oswald strongly suggests that LHO was being played. By more than one party.
Definitely.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#52
"Sometimes in the dark of night I begin to think. And I wonder if Lee started all this violence. Each time somebody else died…that way…Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Wallace shot…it was a new dagger stuck in me. All this blood. All this dying. Did Lee bring this down on America?"

Oh tell me of looking through the reflex camera at the famous weapon of Lee Oswald; I lawv it ven joo tawk dur-tee to me.

Robert Webster, oops.

Robert Oswald: oops, I did it again.

Oh he beat me so.

(How am I doink?)

Phil here:

I posit Armstrong nailed it, as did Newman, and the series of Poirot's "very good dog[s]"--

What do we see in US sending Lee, and USSR sending Marina?

Think now, is it not a "Package" deal?

The Evica-Drago model: "above Cold War differences"

We have Leonid Brezhnev replacing Nikita:

LBJ v Huggy Bear

Now, that's a better business model

Throw the I-Kaching and let the silver train roll
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#53
Phil - quality.

Here's some Pynchon:

"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#54
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:13:50 -0400
From: copa@starpower.net
To: xxxxxxxx@msn.com
Subject: COPA 2013 Keynote Speaking Facing Visa Problems - Please Send Letters

Friends,
One of our scheduled and confirmed keynote speakers for this year's COPA conference in Dallas, Ernst Titovets, was Oswald's best friend in Minsk and has written a fascinating book about that period, Oswald: Russian Episode. He got a surprisingly hostile reception at his interview at the American Conuslate in Minks, Beylarus for his travel visa to the US for our conference. He has asked that polite letters be sent to the Consulate and Embassy on his behalf by people attending COPA who want to hear his talk. It has been a month since the interview with no response. I wrote and got an unsigned letter saying it was under consideration, a form letter. I asked two former Congress Members to write, and several prominent people. Please do not be hostile or critical in the letters, just send your support for him getting the visa. Thanks - John Judge

United States Embassy in Belarus
46 Starovilenskaya St.
Minsk 220002, Belarus
Telephones: +375 17 210-12-83
+375 17 217-7347
+375 17 217-7348
Fax: +375 17 234-78-53
After hours or in emergency call +375 17 226-16-01
E-mail: webmaster@usembassy.minsk.by

Consular Section
Chargé d'Affaires ad interim (Chief of Mission) Ethan A. Goldrich

Address: 46 Starovilenskaya St.
Minsk 220002, Belarus
Telephone: +375 17 210-12-83 or +375 17 334-77-61
Fax: +375 17 217-71-60
E-mail: ConsularMinsk@state.gov
Working hours: Monday-Friday from 8.30 to 17.30 except Belarusian and American holidays.

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I just wrote a polite, but strongly worded email to Goldrich. Please do the same and pass this message above to other JFK-related persons and websites! Titovets who I've long been in contact with is hardly controversial, IMO, but obviously something he knows is for the USG 'official version'. I can't guess what it is, but have my suspicions. It is possible, but HIGHLY unlikely that Belarus is asking this favor of the US.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#55
Peter

Per your invitation subsequent to John Judge's action alert, re two addressees provided

Done, and done.
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#56
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Peter

Per your invitation subsequent to John Judge's action alert, re two addressees provided

Done, and done.

Thanks Phil. To my amazement, my email received a reply [not a form reply!] within ten minutes of sending it...apparently they are VERY aware of Titovits' Visa request. Here is a part of the reply I received:

Dear Mr. Lemkin,

Thank you for your message. Mr. Titovets' visa application is still pending as it required additional administrative processing. Unfortunately, we are unable to advise you how long this processing may take. Naturally, as soon as we are notified that Mr. Titovets' application processing has been completed, we will inform him immediately.

Sincerely,

Consular Section
US Embassy Minsk

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It sounds to me that SD or CIA are doing the 'deciding' and adding to the 'additional administrative processing' back in D.C.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#57
By NO standard [even the supporters of the 'official version'] is Titovets highly controversial in his views and remembrances of Oswald - whether Lee or Harvey of there was only one....unless there is something I don't know and couldn't find in his book or in his and my email exchanges. What I am sure they are afraid of, however, is that he might meet Marina and exchange information on 'things past'; as well as meet with other researchers and piece together some piece of the puzzle not yet known. It would be only decent to let him come and speak and to allow him to see the places his friend of several years lived, worked and was murdered.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#58
To my surprise the BBC World Service actually did a piece on some of the people Oswald knew in Minsk [it is getting near the 50th!]; not surprisingly they had the speaker call him 'the lone assassin of JFK', without even a mention of anyone considering otherwise.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#59

Is US Effort to Block Oswald Friend and his Revelations Itself a Further Deception?

By Milicent Cranor on Aug 27, 2013
[Image: Titovets-198x300.jpg]In one of a continuing series of obstructions affecting the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination, the US government is preventing a visit to a research conference by a man who apparently got very close to Lee Harvey Oswald during Oswald's USSR days.
This development comes on top of the Obama Administration's failure to release 50,000 documents relating to the assassination, as previously reported by WhoWhatWhy.
Ernst Titovets, author of the 2010 book "Oswald: Russian Episode", had been invited to be the keynote speaker at the yearly Dallas conference held by the Coalition on Political Assassinations (COPA), a loose-knit organization of researchers who study political assassinations.
But Titovets got a cold reception from the American Consulate in Minsk (capital of White Russia, a part of the USSR now called Belarus) when he applied for a visa to travel to Americaand has been waiting to hear from them for over a month. He has asked that polite letters of support be sent to the Consulate and Embassy in his behalf by those who want to hear him speak. Contact information appears at the end of the article.
Titovets's highly detailed book humanizes the alleged assassinand many Americans would like to hear more about it from the author himself. But Titovets's role itself is seen as problematical by some observers in a saga that has remained mired in controversy, bizarre twists and turns, and allegations of government cover-ups and endless distractions and disinformation.
Allegedly
According to a diary Oswald allegedly wrote, Titovets was his "oldest existing acquaintance." Readers familiar with the facts in the case of the Kennedy assassination will understand the liberal use of the word "allegedly"almost everything about Oswald and his doings remains in doubtincluding whether he went to the USSR on his own, or was one of a number of servicemen with access to information of interest to the Soviets who many believe were part of a "false defector" program run by US intelligence. (Evidence of one such caseanother American run by an agent who like Oswald married a Russian woman, can be found here.) For those who find this alternative scenario credible, everything from the true authorship and purpose of his diary to the agendas of those who befriended him require close scrutiny.
Titovets may have been Oswald's good friend. On the other hand, he may have been a KGB agent assigned to keep an eye on
[Image: Titovets_dream_book_1.jpg]
Oswald, as some say. Titovets could even have been both. Many non-spooky Russians, especially intellectuals, were pressedagainst their willinto service by the KGB.
Oswald, who publicly attempted to defect to the Soviet Union in October 1959 but was viewed with skepticism by the authorities there before he returned to the United States, was of intense interest to the Russians. We know from released KGB files that Soviet spies watched Oswald and his wife in their bedroom through a peephole in the thin wall, and listened to the through a microphone in the celling, and who knows what else they did?
Titovets, an MD, PhD, is an interesting man himself, as you can see from his website. There, he describes his research on brain chemistry, as well as his memoir on Oswald, whom he met when Oswald moved to Minsk and got a job at the radio factory where Titovets worked. The two got together often. As Titovets puts it,
". . . The book is based mainly on the author's first-hand experience of knowing Oswald. It also includes the author's interviews with many Russians who met Oswald, there are documents with Oswald's longhand never published before, unique transcripts of the audio recordings of Oswald and Titovets reading stories, enacting plays, giving mock interviews to one another."
The never-before-published documents written in Oswald's handwriting, and the audio recordings, should be especially interesting to researchers of the Kennedy assassination.
Only Two Possibilities?
Who was Lee Harvey Oswald, Titovets asks? In his preface, he presents two possibilities:
(1) a "lone gunman, a maniac presidential killer, and a scheming villain of a conspirator"; or
(2) the "patsy he proclaimed himself to be, the greatest goof of our time, an all-round good guy and a completely innocent man. The unbiased researcher unencumbered with proving or disproving theories might point out that there is enough evidence to seriously consider Oswald as a student of sociology and self-educated philosopher looking forward to building a perfect society."
Titovets promotes the second possibility: completely innocent, and with no connections to any intelligence organization.
A Third Possibility
Many believe in a third possibility: that Oswald was neither a lone assassin nor an unconnected innocentbut was an American intelligence agent who thought he was serving his country as part of an elaborate subterfuge.
Consider this possibly telling incident: when officials at the US Embassy tried to talk Oswald out of renouncing his citizenship, he threatened to reveal to the Russians information obtained in his role as an aviation radio electronics operator. This included what he knew about U-2 reconnaissance planes. The U-2, Titovets notes, was the "highest priority target of Soviet intelligence."
"A defector about to supply the Soviets with classified information, and, in particular, information about U-2 flights would be very unwise to have revealed his intentions before the staff of the American Embassy. It would be suicidal to do so; accidents did happen, Moscow or no Moscow."
Assuming this well-known and long publicized account of Oswald's actions is true, why didn't security at the Embassy seize Oswald then and there? Surely, if Oswald were a bona fide defector and threat to American interests, he would not have been treated so gentlynor would he have been given the assistance he was given by American authorities when he decided to come back to the States.
[Image: minsk2-300x207.jpg]Lee and his bride Marina in Minsk's main square

Titovets does not seem to even find the passivity of the American authorities in Moscow strange. This, and other aspects of his analysis should make one curious about Titovets himself.
All of which is to recommend caution in wondering why the US, fifty years later, is turning Titovets from a relatively obscure character into someone of public interest by denying him a visa. Not to suggest anything wrong with the consulate staff in Minsk. But, assuming that this matter, on such a sensitive topic, would naturally be kicked upstairs to high levels in the US intelligence firmament, one has to wonder whether they were the ones to hold back the visa, and if so, why?
Given how the American people have been treated to one distraction after another from the vast body of evidence pointing at intelligence connections in Kennedy's death, is it so crazy to wonder if the purpose of denying Titovets a visit is actually not to prevent him from being heard, but instead to make his bland "revelations" seem somehow more noteworthy? Any public relations professional would understand such a subterfuge.
Whether or not that is what is going on here, it is indisputable that Titovets is very helpful in casting Oswald as nothing more than the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Notably, Titovets often focuses on Oswald's "naiveté." For example: regarding Oswald's "surprise"as recorded in his diaryat being questioned by Soviet officials wary of this would-be defector and his motives, Titovets says:
"Had Oswald obtained special training he would not have failed to see through that unsophisticated game. He wouldn't have been surprised that they made him go over his story again and again…"
What Titovets does not seem to recognize, or will not acknowledge, is that an intelligence officer playing a role would almost certainly act naïve, and claim to be surprised by things an agent would know to be commonplace.
Cutting the Wires
Some see Oswald as a broken marionette. Though discarded, the wires are still attached, however translucent, and could lead right back to those who were pulling them.
[Image: russia-300x218.jpg]Oswald in Minsk with friends

Was Oswald one of the recruits in the CIA false defector program? Is this why so many documents about him remain classified? Is this why the US government, even under Obama, continues to hold back those 50,000 documents?
If he were indeed proven to have been working for US intelligence at the time of the Kennedy assassination, then his alleged role in a presidential murder could further shake the confidence of Americans in the trustworthiness of our vast secret intelligence apparatusand even lead to a reappraisal of the reliability of our governance system itself.
It would hardly be surprising that someone like Titovets and his "revelations" of an Oswald who was an innocent naïf, completely unconnected with the US government, are welcomed by the establishment. The New York Times, which for the last half-century has notoriously dismissed or ignored thousands of revelations pointing to Oswald's involvement in covert operations, has written approvingly of Titovets.
A Closer Look at Titovets Himself
Titovets considers the idea that Oswald was connected to either American or Russian intelligence the "wildest speculation." "A James Bond fantasy." He ignores the evidence of Oswald's connections to American intelligence as revealed in many books, and seems to hope his readers will ignore it as well, thereby effectively cutting the marionette's wires.
This, of course, raises questions of why the US government would not welcome his visit. Skeptics might note that the government's refusal in itself creates media interest in Titovetsand makes his contribution to the discussion more credible: if the US government is against him, he must be doing something right. Whether or not the US ends up allowing his visit or not, he gains new visibility.
Titovets seems anxious to prove that he was not only a friend of Oswald's but a close onea person qualified to say he had no connection to any intelligence agency. From the preface of his book:
"There is at least one fact that has never been in dispute. The author of this book has consistently been viewed in the literature as a close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald, indeed one of his closest companions in Minsk…. [Refers to books by Patricia McMillan, Edward Jay Epstein, and Norman Mailer.] And to have it straight from Oswald himself: Erich [Ernst Titovets] is my oldest acquaintance…a friend of mine who speaks English very well.' I have but to bow my head in this collective opinion. To be Oswald's close friend became my unsolicited role in the JFK drama."
Oswald wrote detailed descriptions of many people in his diaryeven those with whom he met only brieflyyet, he had little to say about Titovets. His diary contains only four brief entries, reproduced below, complete with spelling errors. (Note: Titovets also called himself "Erich.")
[1960] "Nov 15 in Nov I make the acquaintance of 4 girls rooming at the for. Lan. domatory . . . I usually go to the institute domatory with a friend of mine who speaks English very well. Eraich Titov is in the forth year at the medical institute. Very bright fellow. At the domatory we 6 sit and talk for hours in Russian."
[1961] "Mar 17 . . . I and Erich went to trade union dance." [There, he met Marina.]
[1961] "Sept-Oct 18. During this time I am lonely but I and Erich go to the dances and public places for enitanment."
[1962] "March. The last communiques are exchanged between myself and Embassy. . . . I have still not told Erich who is my oldest existing acquaitance,that we are going to the State, he's o.k., but I'm afraid he is too good a young communist leage member so I'll wait till last min.
There is no question that the two men spent a great deal of time together but if Oswald had a secret life it's not at all clear that Titovets would have been aware of it. In fact, Oswald's March 1962 diary entry shows that, even though he had known Titovets for two years already, Oswald felt he could not confide in his oldest "acquaintance."
In the meantime, Ernst Titovets is still waiting for his travel visa.
Dr. Titovets has asked that polite letters of support be sent to
United States Embassy in Belarus
46 Starovilenskaya St.
Minsk 220002, Belarus
Telephones: +375 17 210-12-83
+375 17 217-7347
+375 17 217-7348
Fax: +375 17 234-78-53
After hours or in emergency call +375 17 226-16-01
E-mail: webmaster@usembassy.minsk.by
Consular Section
Chargé d'Affaires ad interim (Chief of Mission) Ethan A. Goldrich
Address: 46 Starovilenskaya St.
Minsk 220002, Belarus
Telephone: +375 17 210-12-83 or +375 17 334-77-61
Fax: +375 17 217-71-60
E-mail: [EMAIL="ConsularMinsk@state.gov"]ConsularMinsk@state.gov
[/EMAIL]Working hours: Monday-Friday from 8.30 to 17.30 except Belarusian and American holidays.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#60
Peter Lemkin Wrote:
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Peter

Per your invitation subsequent to John Judge's action alert, re two addressees provided

Done, and done.

Thanks Phil. To my amazement, my email received a reply [not a form reply!] within ten minutes of sending it...apparently they are VERY aware of Titovits' Visa request. Here is a part of the reply I received:

Dear Mr. Lemkin,

Thank you for your message. Mr. Titovets' visa application is still pending as it required additional administrative processing. Unfortunately, we are unable to advise you how long this processing may take. Naturally, as soon as we are notified that Mr. Titovets' application processing has been completed, we will inform him immediately.

Sincerely,

Consular Section
US Embassy Minsk

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It sounds to me that SD or CIA are doing the 'deciding' and adding to the 'additional administrative processing' back in D.C.....

Just wanted to alert all that Ernst Titovets did finally get his visa and will attend at COPA. He has been in regular email contact with me. He's bringing lots of his book to sell and sign. He really surprised me that he was also bringing WRITINGS of Lee Oswald, as well as other things owned by Lee, photos, audio tapes, etc! These will be for sale, but I'm awaiting an outline description of what these all are before advising him what to do with them. Any suggestions welcome.

Does anyone know what the book selling 'scene' will be at COPA - i.e. do any real or internet book dealers now attend? I take it Andy W. doesn't any longer. From the materials Ernst has requested I send him, his talk should be interesting! Has there ever been a talk by anyone who actually had met LHO before?! I'm sure the MSM will ignore him entirely, which is sad. Anyone in the Dallas area who can alert the media, might want to consider that uphill task. Better would be someone who does internet mediacasting to do some interviews with Ernst, as he has much more to say than he can fit into his talk.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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