TSBD Doorway man - Oswald or Lovelady?

[Ralph Cinque]

Mr.James Gordon has now realized that he made a misjudgement on his original post.He has reversed his stance on the subject.

That's true, but I'm engaged in discussion with him about it, and we'll see where he winds up.

[Albert Doyle]

Shade is shade. If shade from the lintel causes the t-shirt to darken without obliterating the margins of it, without making the material vanish, why should it be any different for the chin-shade?

You're obviously a moron. Because the lintel is a solid object it can only produce one type of shade. In an over-contrasted photo this variety of shade is clearly seen in the blackened-out areas in the portal. This area and the area that is obliterated on Black Tie Man and Raised Arms Man is the clear dividing line for the lintel shade that I've already elaborated to you at length in another discussion. So the Altgens shot already defines what is lintel shade and what isn't.

Your input is inherently moronic because, from what you write, you obviously don't even understand your own arguments. Not only that, I asked you to please answer my specific points in my previous post and you return with yet another cross-eyed evasive filibuster of incoherent crap. The answer to your confused nonsense above is that the lintel shade is registered as creating total darkness in Altgens as seen in the photo. Your reference to lightly shaded areas as being lintel shade is incorrect, hence everything you wrote is invalid AND you once again fail to answer my coherent points. You are using this bullshit to avoid answering my points. The answer to your craziness above (as was clear before) is that the shade from the lintel is not causing the coloration in the "sliver". It is not shaded at all as I made clear and you ignored. For you to return with an answer that ignores this and claims it is shaded is an actionable violation of site rules that should be acted upon. In other forums what you are doing is commonly called "trolling". You are just re-entering retarded input as a form of crude obfuscation exactly because you can't answer my points.

And even if it were true that chin shade could have that effect- which I say it can't- what are the chances that the shape of the chin-shade would conform so perfectly to what was needed to make a round t-shirt look vee? Aren't you being presumptuous? For instance, it could have undershot or overshot or been offset in some way. But, in this case, according to you, the shadow fell in such a way as to exactly duplicate Oswald's vee-necked t-shirt that he wore that day. Wouldn't that be another amazing coincidence?

You haven't answered my previous points. Your intellectually delinquent diversions do not serve as a credible answer to what I wrote. This is now the second time you have flagrantly avoided answering a very simple question. I will put that question again:


What is the explanation for the difference between the coloration seen in the sliver and the coloration of the "V" area? Why is the sliver lighter-colored and the V area darker?


"Shade is shade" is not a credible or acceptable answer and your evasive counter that a chin shadow could not make a perfect "V" is not a credible replacement. The chin shadow obviously could make a perfect "V" because it is doing it right there in front of you as my differential argument that you couldn't answer proves. In fact the argument that the angles and surfaces involved were not capable of making a perfect "V" is not valid.


My question was posed in a very specific technical way that was clearly put. Either answer it according to those terms or concede.

[Ralph Cinque]

You're the one who brought up the lintel, not me. I don't think it's lintel shade. But, it's definitely shade that is causing the slivers of darkness that you see on both sides of his t-shirt. About that there is no question. What else could they be? Stains? And they do not obliterate the material of the shirt. They darken it but do not obliterate it. And the same is true in the midline.

Here's a picture of guy with shade on his t-shirt that is similar to what we see on Doorman. All I'm saying is that previously you and others tried to argue that that shade on Doorman was something else, in your case, skin. That's what you said, Doyle, so don't deny it. But, it's shade; it's darkening the shirt but we can still easily see the margins of it, and you are dreaming if you think that shade from the chin or the lintel or anywhere else is causing that t-shirt to look vee-shaped. The t-shirt looks vee-shaped because it is vee-shaped.

You seem to be headed for a nervous breakdown, Doyle. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[Charles Drago]

"Cinque,"

Get the fuck off this forum, you phony, simple-minded agent provocateur wanna-be!

Hmmm ...

Was that out loud?

[Albert Doyle]

You're the one who brought up the lintel, not me. I don't think it's lintel shade. But, it's definitely shade that is causing the slivers of darkness that you see on both sides of his t-shirt. About that there is no question. What else could they be? Stains? And they do not obliterate the material of the shirt. They darken it but do not obliterate it. And the same is true in the midline.

Here's a picture of guy with shade on his t-shirt that is similar to what we see on Doorman. All I'm saying is that previously you and others tried to argue that that shade on Doorman was something else, in your case, skin. That's what you said, Doyle, so don't deny it. But, it's shade; it's darkening the shirt but we can still easily see the margins of it, and you are dreaming if you think that shade from the chin or the lintel or anywhere else is causing that t-shirt to look vee-shaped. The t-shirt looks vee-shaped because it is vee-shaped.

You seem to be headed for a nervous breakdown, Doyle. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Edit: He didn't answer the question.


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[Ralph Cinque]

I have checked online and found that you can still buy men's flannel shirts with flap pockets. There are plenty of them, and I've looked at quite a few. And, I found that most, but not all, have either buttons or snaps associated with the flaps. So, that is definitely the style today. I'll attach a couple of samples.

So, then it occurred to me to look again at 63 Lovelady to see if there was any indication of a button or snap on his flap. And sure enough, above the white crescent line, which is the lower margin of the flap, there is a mark right in the midline.

I have sent these images out to a lot of people, including people unrelated to this dispute, and asked them and render an opinion, and so far, overwhelmingly, the vote has been that that mark represents a button or snap. Here are the three images. See what you think.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Cinque - this is a serious research site, not a haberdashery boutique.

This thread has exposed your offerings as pure snake oil.

I suspect that, to adopt Greg's phraseology, you're done here.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

When you have wasted 21 pages in this thread to talk about shirts, then you have made what
cinque is saying important.
Now if we would like to talk about shirts let's talk about the latest Armani or Moschino collections.

[Ralph Cinque]

The funny thing is that you can see that button or snap without even blowing the picture up. It stares right at you.

And compare it to the shirt that Lovelady wore later when posing as Doorway Man.

There, you can't see a button on the flap over the pocket.

Come to think of it, you can't see a flap over the pocket.

Come to think of it, you can't see a pocket.

[Charles Drago]

In the color photo I see a man with a bulbous nose wearing a crash helmet.