TSBD Doorway man - Oswald or Lovelady?

[Albert Doyle]

No, you are being stupid and ridiculous. The shadow is from his head in the same way as this picture of the other man, in which you see shade on his neck and on his trapezius muscle. It is not coming from chin. How could his chin shade his trapezius muscle?

You're not a well person Ralph. Get the fuck off this board. You're nuts. (I didn't read the rest of what you wrote)

[Ralph Cinque]

Then I'll sum it up for you: With or without slivers, it's a vee.

[Albert Doyle]

Then I'll sum it up for you: With or without slivers, it's a vee.

You're a sick person Dr Cinque. If you read a few posts back you admitted it was chin shadow. Now can you please fuck-off!

[Ralph Cinque]

The fatigue is getting to you, Albert. The t-shirt is a vee. It is physically a vee. You're talking shadows, I'm talking t-shirts. I don't give a good God-damn about your fucking chin shadow. I care about the t-shirt. IT'S A VEE! NOW YOU FUCK OFF!

[LR Trotter]

Mr Cinque,
Actually I don't "see" a pocket, nor do I "not see" a pocket in the '71 color photo. The '63 b/w picture may have a pocket with cigarettes, or it may have no pocket, and possibly has a name tag in/near the shirt pocket area. As for the later pristine appearing work shirt, the info posted by Ms Moore indicates the shirt was put away and stored. That would certainly help preserve the condition of the shirt, and possibly the Nolan family realized the need to do that, all things considered. The main point of my "replica shirt" supposition was that it would not have been "to deceive", but to "reconstruct" an accurate scene of himself in the doorway. Apparently you are reading another meaning in my post, so I apologize for my lack of clarity. And, I believe I have posted all of the response needed, so believe what you wish, but take me at my word, not what you try to twist it into.
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[Don Jeffries]

Fuck off? Fuck you? Is that the level of debate you want? Are any of you sticking out your tongues as you write this?

I think Cinque has made a pretty good case here. The questions about the shirt alone ought to raise doubts in thinking minds. How can any shirt looker newer eight years down the road? I don't see a pocket in the '71 shirt. We know that Lovelady lied. We also know that the authorities had a very strong motive to force that person in the doorway to be someone else besides Oswald.

How many of you have ever worked with someone who was such a dead ringer for you that he could even fool your wife and kids? We know that there was an orchestrated campaign to impersonate Oswald in the weeks leading up to the assassination (whether or not one buys into the Harvey and Lee theory). Isn't it just too much of a coincidence that LHO happens to find employment, during the same time period, at a place where one of his co-workers appears to be eminently qualified to impersonate Oswald himself?

Not only does McKnight still believe Oswald was the figure in the doorway, so does well- respected critic David Wrone. I'd be surprised if Mark Lane still doesn't believe it. I don't think Harold Weisberg, Penn Jones, etc. ever came to the belief that it was Lovelady. Every aspect of the official story is dubious, and every CTer should be skeptical when the chorus becomes "THAT was solved. Move on!" Imho, the matter of the identity of the figure in the doorway hasn't been solved.

[Greg Burnham]

Fuck off? Fuck you? Is that the level of debate you want? Are any of you sticking out your tongues as you write this?

I think Cinque has made a pretty good case here. The questions about the shirt alone ought to raise doubts in thinking minds. How can any shirt looker newer eight years down the road? I don't see a pocket in the '71 shirt. We know that Lovelady lied. We also know that the authorities had a very strong motive to force that person in the doorway to be someone else besides Oswald.

How many of you have ever worked with someone who was such a dead ringer for you that he could even fool your wife and kids? We know that there was an orchestrated campaign to impersonate Oswald in the weeks leading up to the assassination (whether or not one buys into the Harvey and Lee theory). Isn't it just too much of a coincidence that LHO happens to find employment, during the same time period, at a place where one of his co-workers appears to be eminently qualified to impersonate Oswald himself?

Not only does McKnight still believe Oswald was the figure in the doorway, so does well- respected critic David Wrone. I'd be surprised if Mark Lane still doesn't believe it. I don't think Harold Weisberg, Penn Jones, etc. ever came to the belief that it was Lovelady. Every aspect of the official story is dubious, and every CTer should be skeptical when the chorus becomes "THAT was solved. Move on!" Imho, the matter of the identity of the figure in the doorway hasn't been solved.

If it has not been solved, Don, why do Fetzer and Cinque insist that NOW it has?

[Albert Doyle]

Fuck off? Fuck you? Is that the level of debate you want? Are any of you sticking out your tongues as you write this?

I think Cinque has made a pretty good case here.

Fool. Can't you see he's lying about the patches of skin.

[Bernice Moore]

and i think you need your mouth washed out with soap,Albert, you more than anyone else here comes across like a 12 year old standing in the middle of a school yard hollaring the new dirty words he has added to his garbage mouth....i understand in the temper of the moment at times such words take their place, but you have been throwing around name calling on this forum, as if you owned it and were in complete charge, it does not and never will ever contribute to any forum's good name, rather the opposite.. that's why i skip most of your posts..and why would you call Don a fool, if anything he has shown he above all certainly is the farthest from being such...i think you also have worn out your welcome seeing that is and has been thrown around, i choose to throw it at you.....how come you do not use words ike that in all your posts at Lancer why do you not also call all them names, why i guess it's against the rules and or deb would show you the door pretty quick, or one of them on the adm....but carry on your allowed to here, to which i object...b

[Charles Drago]

Mouth and, while you're at it, mind.