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TSBD Doorway man - Oswald or Lovelady?
Here are some comments on your "six points", where none of you has even ever "explained away" the four major proofs of alteration, even before we reach the points of comparison. If you can't account for the obfuscated face, the missing shoulder, BTM being in front of and behind Doorman at the same time, and the black man's profile, it comes as no surprise you don't have anything serious to contribute.

[B]1) [/B]Doorman's hair is more abundant, like Oswald's, and you can clearly see it going up from the top center of his head in Altgens6 and coming around from the left side of his temple; Doorman's hair is not real short and fuzzy like Lovelady's FBI photo. Lovelady's round dome topped head does not match the flat topped cranium of Doorman (Lee Oswald).

2) The picture shown, of Oswald in the elevator, has his left cuff pushed up because he is in handcuffs. The photo of the bogus Lovelady at the Dallas PD is not legit. How can anyone take you seriously when you can't even distinguish between Billy Lovelady and this guy who looks like a gorilla? It's pretty embarrassing, since we have emphasized it so many places.

3) Doorman's (Oswald) T-shirt is a thumb-tugged V-neck, which we have shown in many photos and collages, which was confirmed not to be a shadow by Ralph Cinque during the Dallas photo shoot, which no one here is discussing.

4) The bone structure of Doorman's head and face match Oswald; the Lovelady FBI photo was altered, where the bone structure was softened to look like Oswald.

5) Doorman's left cheek bone and ear are not clearly visible because the area is a mess of sloppy touch-up applied to Doorman's left cheek all the way over into Black Tie Man's neck.

6) Doorman's nose is crooked because it was altered; there are cut marks, in the shape of a cresent, across his nose bridge to his right ear and back under his nose to his left ear. The crescent cut-out was not centered correctly.

KEY: Moreover, Lovelady was wearing a short sleeve red and white stripe shirt on 22 November 1963, as he told the FBI, was photographed in, told researcher Jones Harris, was quoted saying such in The Herald Tribune, and was also quoted as saying as much in the Warren Commssion record. Check out "The Lovelady Caper" chapter by Harold Weisberg, which Larry Rivera noticed.

I don't understand the game you are playing, David Josephs. We have established the sameness of the right ear, the left eye, the shape of the skull and even the hairline. We have 50 points of identification, which would have a miniscule probability by chance. There is a special destiny for those, like you, who use your talents, such as they may be, to conceal truths and promote falsehoods.

David Josephs Wrote:Between my analysis showing 6 items of MISMATCH which lowers the possibility they are the same shirt to ZERO...
Also showing that Oswad changed his clothes with the same authenticity as he was out front with Shelley...
AND that the inventory from Beckley includes said clothes...

How again can a shirt Oswald puts on at 1:00pm at his room be the same short in the photo Altgens photo?

(btw - how many ofus have a nimber of similiar shirts that we wear religiously? Guys like their favorite clothes... there is no reason to believe that Oswald did not have a number of similiar shirts... sure be nice to see photos of ALL the clothes brought from Beckley...)

That an entire website and a handful of "supporters" are buying into this charade is the scary part...

How is this any different from Tom Hanks' desire to tell a fraudulent story about the assassination?

Guess I should just post my rebuttal on JF's site? Think he'd allow counterpoint? :banghead:

Cheers
DJ
James H. Fetzer Wrote:There is a special destiny for those, like you, who use your talents, such as they may be, to conceal truths and promote falsehoods.

There's an interesting pathology on display here -- a form of transference.

[EDIT: The proper clinical term, as Greg Burnham accurately points out below, is projection.]

Fetzer, unwilling or unable to confront his demons, is chastising another for his own sins.

Is there no one left who loves the declining, chimera-chasing professor and is willing to secure for him the medical treatment he so clearly and tragically requires?

Flagellation, witting or otherwise, is never pretty.

But at times it's funny -- not to mention appropriate.

Mark Stapleton Wrote:
Charles Drago Wrote:And what's the Latin translation of, " Here is an idiot who cannot distinguish between Spanish and Italian"???

Communicating in a foreign language on an English language site is simply showing off.

So is walking a straight line at the Special Olympics.


Mark Stapleton Wrote:Because a person can't speak Spanish or Italian doesn't make them an idiot.

Rather, it makes the accuser an elitist poseur.

Ahh, the "elitist" argument rears its ugly head.

To the illiterate, the "elite" is comprised of readers.
Quote:Charles Drago said: There's an interesting pathology on display here -- a form of transference.

I believe the clinical term is: Projection.
GO_SECURE

monk


"It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."

James Hepburn -- Farewell America (1968)
Greg Burnham Wrote:
Quote:Charles Drago said: There's an interesting pathology on display here -- a form of transference.

I believe the clinical term is: Projection.

Thank you.

This fact should be of some comfort to Fetzer as he seeks post-therapy employment. Local movie houses are always on the lookout for new talent.
BTW: Happy Birthday to Jim Fetzer who turned 72 today. Although we have grave disagreements, I wish you the best.
GO_SECURE

monk


"It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."

James Hepburn -- Farewell America (1968)
Charles,

You really have a great deal of audacity questioning someone else's mental stability. Since I had the gall to admonish you for using offensive, juvenile terms like "short bus," you have kicked it up a gear. "Walking a straight line at the Special Olympics?" You do understand, do you not, that the Kennedy family is responsible for starting the Special Olympics?

Before Eunice Kennedy especially brought a new awareness to the subject, those who weren't fortunate enough to be born "normal" had to endure the ugly taunts of "retard." Do you call people "retard?" If you'd ever loved someone who rode the "short bus," believe me, you wouldn't find all this to be humorous.

I can't believe that a middle aged JFK assassination researcher would feel comfortable in cavalierly bandying about terms like "short bus" and using the Special Olympics for his own brand of lame "comedy." Do you laugh at children with Down's Syndrome? I broached this subject before, but again- to some of us this form of humor is akin to the "n" word.

How is no one else here offended by Charles' posts?
By "the 'n' word," do you mean "nitwit" or "nincompoop" or "neanderthal"?

"The 'n' word" my olive green ass!

Childhood must have been hell for you.

Peddle your "I'm offended" bullshit where someone is likely to buy it, Miss Manners.

If what I write offends you ...

STOP READING IT!

Then again, where am I going to find a replacement for you and your easy-to-push buttons?
Janus guardian of doorways doing a duet version of Piece O My Shirt Germany 68 live:



David Josephs' six points in Doorman is Lovelady.jpg:

1) Oswald's hair is more abundant at the top middle of his head while Lovelady's dome matches
2) Lovelady's sleeve almost reaches his hand, even when his arm is bent… Oswald's sleeve barely reaches his wrist
3) The T shirt does NOT have a V neck
4) Lovelady has CHEEK BONES L&R match pretty good compared to Oswald's cheeks.
5) Left cheekbone obscures ear, Oswald has no such pronounced cheekbone
6) Lovelady's nose bends right just like Doorman

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...#post61698

Robert Groden reports the secretary's account of giving Oswald change for the Coke machine.

The Girl on the Stairs found he wasn't there.

Baker and Truly had to unsee the Coke.

His presence in the lunchroom supported; doorway, not--not by one of the many there.

In the auras and penumbras of a square of Algens6 is a vortex of misdirection.

Outside which Lee Oswald remains untried, the preponderance of evidence lying in broken chains.

The sand, the scoop, the geometric proof, but they pretended not to see:





A special present for Miss Manners:

"It would be like finding a normal person who would lose at the Special Olympics."

Start at 3:50.


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