21-01-2012, 07:25 PM (This post was last modified: 21-01-2012, 07:41 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Adele Edisen Wrote:Peter said:
....America is all but lost now forever, if we don't get real traction on Dallas by the 50th or Occupy or some similar movement doesn't start the revolution in the next year or two, America will soon be no better than was the third Reich...that bad, I fear is in the near offing!!!!!
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Your statement got my attention, and I'd like to add a comment or two. I think we are now already in the same state as was Nazi Germany and fascist Italy in the 1920s and 1930s. Rich DellaRosa often quoted Benito Mussolini's definition of the fascist state, calling it the Corporate State. This means that the corporations are the government. The Citizens United decision of our US Supreme Court has now literally legalized it. In my opinion, the journey toward fascism most visably began in this country in 1933-34 when Wall Street conspirators tried to overthrow our government and a democratically elected president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and install a dictator. A major movement to further this was the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and all the others murdered as he was. We now, almost 50 years later, should be able to recognize our country's current political and economic status if we have studied any world and US history of the last 100 years or so. I am also very mindful of the year 1913, when the Federal Reserve Banking system was created, which was a step toward financial private control of the government, and which President Kennedy tried to minimiize by having the Treasury Department issue interest-free monies by Executive Order. Had this continued, it eventually would have eroded the Federal Reserve Banking system.
Adele
As did Greg, I also applaud your comments here and their content!~ I have NO arguement with your analysis...none, whatsoever. That the son and grandson of a plotter and financier of the 33-34 plot were Presidents shows how rotten to the core the system is...but there is no part now that isn't rotten and no President since JFK even close. That they chose to assassinate him shows how antithetical he was to their 'system'...which grinds on grinding up the Planet and the People on it, sadly...... Percevere! Thanks Adele!
NB - There is a very interesting book by Gross called 'Friendly Fascism' written about America under RayGun. It is still on the mark and explains how the new fascism tries hard to be cryptic and not the old 'angry' type that was the Third Reich! PR make-over and Disneyesque touches keep it 'all American and 'friendlier', but still FASCISM!!....my initial comment was understated to not scare the chickens or newbees. As you correctly, IMO, point out, the march or goose-step toward fascism started long ago and the icing on the cake, so to speak was Dallas...and the cherry on top was 911 and its 'Enabling Act' [the unPatriot Act]. America can not withstand yet another such, and I believe they are cooking up yet another such as we speak! But, yes, the USSA passed the 'threshold' of fascism some time back. Huey Long was so right to predict that when it did, it would come wrapped in an American flag!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
You may be a victim -- caught in the crossfire of a long, savage war.
You've effectively been profiled -- there's no other term that fits so well. But in the wake of evaluation powered by a deep understanding of deep political systems, I and others have concluded that your actions, in their totality to date and in their timing, make you suspect.
Most telling case-in-point: On cue, you began to attack the "legitimacy" of what has been posted on DPF and, by logical extension, the motives of this forum's founders.
This is precisely what an agent provocateur tasked with penetrating and marginalizing DPF would have done.
Get it?
The DPF welcomes new members and encourages productive debate. We argue willingly and quarrel only as a last resort.
You may be a victim. You may be a bad guy. And you only think you know which way I'm leaning.
Adele Edisen Wrote:Peter said:
....America is all but lost now forever, if we don't get real traction on Dallas by the 50th or Occupy or some similar movement doesn't start the revolution in the next year or two, America will soon be no better than was the third Reich...that bad, I fear is in the near offing!!!!!
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Your statement got my attention, and I'd like to add a comment or two. I think we are now already in the same state as was Nazi Germany and fascist Italy in the 1920s and 1930s. Rich DellaRosa often quoted Benito Mussolini's definition of the fascist state, calling it the Corporate State. This means that the corporations are the government. The Citizens United decision of our US Supreme Court has now literally legalized it. In my opinion, the journey toward fascism most visably began in this country in 1933-34 when Wall Street conspirators tried to overthrow our government and a democratically elected president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and install a dictator. A major movement to further this was the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and all the others murdered as he was. We now, almost 50 years later, should be able to recognize our country's current political and economic status if we have studied any world and US history of the last 100 years or so. I am also very mindful of the year 1913, when the Federal Reserve Banking system was created, which was a step toward financial private control of the government, and which President Kennedy tried to minimiize by having the Treasury Department issue interest-free monies by Executive Order. Had this continued, it eventually would have eroded the Federal Reserve Banking system.
Adele
As did Greg, I also applaud your comments here and their content!~ I have NO arguement with your analysis...none, whatsoever. That the son and grandson of a plotter and financier of the 33-34 plot were Presidents shows how rotten to the core the system is...but there is no part now that isn't rotten and no President since JFK even close. That they chose to assassinate him shows how antithetical he was to their 'system'...which grinds on grinding up the Planet and the People on it, sadly...... Percevere! Thanks Adele!
NB - There is a very interesting book by Gross called 'Friendly Fascism' written about America under RayGun. It is still on the mark and explains how the new fascism tries hard to be cryptic and not the old 'angry' type that was the Third Reich! PR make-over and Disneyesque touches keep it 'all American and 'friendlier', but still FASCISM!!....my initial comment was understated to not scare the chickens or newbees. As you correctly, IMO, point out, the march or goose-step toward fascism started long ago and the icing on the cake, so to speak was Dallas...and the cherry on top was 911 and its 'Enabling Act' [the unPatriot Act]. America can not withstand yet another such, and I believe they are cooking up yet another such as we speak! But, yes, the USSA passed the 'threshold' of fascism some time back. Huey Long was so right to predict that when it did, it would come wrapped in an American flag!
Right on, Peter! Thanks for your expanded comments on the steps toward Fascism in this country. People, young and old, need to know these things to understand what is happening and to not be fooled by all the advertising and propaganda about the "friendly fascism" lurking behind the US flag. And thank you for recommending the book, Friendly Fascism. I shall look for it.
Mr Drago,
If I am the LR that you are referring to, I don't recall posting anything that would question the legitimacy of this forum, as I feel as though it is a great place to view, and post, various thoughts regarding the JFK assassination. I don't get involved with 911 discussions, or any other areas of the Deep Politics Forum, and although new to this forum I have studied the JFK assassination for a number of years, but I am somewhat limited to those studies and do no direct or indirect research myself. So if something that I have posted needs attention, I will be glad to review anything I have said as it may have been a disguised, by mistake, question. Over the years, I have from time to time gone by my initials as the mood struck me. But, I am not part of any group and to my knowledge am not aquainted with any other posters, and only recognize a few names from reading about the assassination. But, in any event, this is a great forum and it is my hope that the hard work, and what I consider as success, continues. The leaders and founders of the Deep Politics Forum deserve that success. And, thanks for allowing me to post this note.
Quote:Right on, Peter! Thanks for your expanded comments on the steps toward Fascism in this country. People, young and old, need to know these things to understand what is happening and to not be fooled by all the advertising and propaganda about the "friendly fascism" lurking behind the US flag. And thank you for recommending the book, Friendly Fascism. I shall look for it.
Adele
I'm not sure if the entire book is available on the internet [it is possible], but I know that some parts of it are on the website here.
Amazon is selling the book, I see, and it seems it may be on Google Books too....hmmm...and he has lots on Rockefeller you might enjoy! And page 170 is an interesting table comparing 'classical' fascism with 'friendly' fascism. I read the book when it came out. RayGun was our first openly friendly fascist President in the recent era...but we had others before my time.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
22-01-2012, 03:21 PM (This post was last modified: 22-01-2012, 04:11 PM by Charles Drago.)
LR Trotter Wrote:Mr Drago,
If I am the LR that you are referring to, I don't recall posting anything that would question the legitimacy of this forum, as I feel as though it is a great place to view, and post, various thoughts regarding the JFK assassination. I don't get involved with 911 discussions, or any other areas of the Deep Politics Forum, and although new to this forum I have studied the JFK assassination for a number of years, but I am somewhat limited to those studies and do no direct or indirect research myself. So if something that I have posted needs attention, I will be glad to review anything I have said as it may have been a disguised, by mistake, question. Over the years, I have from time to time gone by my initials as the mood struck me. But, I am not part of any group and to my knowledge am not aquainted with any other posters, and only recognize a few names from reading about the assassination. But, in any event, this is a great forum and it is my hope that the hard work, and what I consider as success, continues. The leaders and founders of the Deep Politics Forum deserve that success. And, thanks for allowing me to post this note.
Best regards,
Larry Randolph (LR) Trotter
Dear Mr. Trotter,
Thank you for your kind words.
If my remarks on this forum have been bellicose, it is because I and others realize that what we discuss on the JFK pages and elsewhere are not historical abstractions but rather aspects of an ongoing, brutal war.
I mean no offense to you. The "JC Mahoney" entity demonstrated many of the attributes of the agents provocateur who are tasked with penetrating, surveilling, marginalizing, and/or bringing down sites such as DPF. "Mahoney" constructed "his" user name as you present your own; such mimicry is redolent of what I've termed the "doppelganger gambit" -- THE example of which is the so-called two (or more) Oswald phenomena. Most tellingly, the timing of "his" overt attempt to marginalize ALL DPF content (see below) could not be more indicative of hostile intent.
If I have unfairly brought you into this discussion, I beg your pardon. By all means please continue to read and post on DPF. Like all of us -- including myself -- you will see that your work is judged solely on its merits.
Quote: Most tellingly, the timing of "his" overt attempt to marginalize ALL DPF content (see below) could not be more indicative of hostile intent.
Well yeah,the same exact conduct that I just recently had to bring to the attention of Mr.Fetzer.This could be contagious...........:loo:
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.â€
Buckminster Fuller
I certainly miss my former title at JFKresearch Assassinaton Forum: Sgt-At-Arms. My job was smoking out agents provocateur PRIOR to their having played out their hand. Since Rich passed away, I haven't had occasion to exercise my skill in this area...that is, until you came along.
By the way, "ENTITY" is much too lofty a title for you. An "apologist for the bug" is perhaps more accurate.
GO_SECURE
monk
"It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."
