Let Us Treat Jim Fetzer with Kindness

[Magda Hassan]

WARNING: CONTAINS COURSE LANGUAGE!

Won't some one please think of the children!!!!
No problem. We're cool about freedom of expression here. We know it is frustrating dealing with the same old crap time and time again. We're more interested in content than form in any case.

I just checked out the two most recent Fetzer/Cinque threads over at the Swamp. I can't find the thread where Dawn's CD post was deleted. Could you possibly post the link/s.

Yeah, things disappear there all the time.....like the Bermuda Triangle......But still it is a Bastion of Free Speech, so they tell me any way....but when we questioned that over there all those posts disappeard along with a few people.

I find it all quite incredible.

Yes indeed. A feeling shared by many here I would say.

Despite not finding what I sought, I went and over and had a look. All I have to say is what a freaking mess! I really don't know how Don Jeffries can keep a straight face or decry those of us at DPF who are far less tolerant of the crap voices he so loves to hear over yonder. In particularly when you see the utterly f***** thread he and Tom Scully recently presided over they had to shut down.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....opic=19089

Yeah, it really is quite sad to see what could be a great place with some very good people there reduced to a side show of freaks and snake oil salesmen.

I've got to say something is pretty f***** wrong guys, when it seems that a total fink like Cinque can be protected by mods who advocate for his right to speak. Don and Tom still believe that all researchers are equal under God, all have a right to speak and they want us all to embrace bullshit on a level playing field.

Might be fine if there was such a thing as a level playing field and all researchers were equal. Meanwhile, in the real world....Hence the need for the DPF to provide a place for researchers to work with out the bullshit.

Okay thats fine if your into touchy feely.

It's bad enough what goes on there with out being all touched up and felt as well :poke:Let's be grateful it is just an internet venue.

But please explain to me guys why Fetzer can make some horrific calls about say GB and others over there without any form of recourse. Yet Dawns post get's deleted with CD's message after a single complaint from this massive, psychotic conspirahypocritical asswipe?

Well, that has been many people's experience there. Inconvenient people disappear, inconvenient posts disappear, some times whole bodies of work and their maker disappear.....But it seems only those who question the strange moderation practices that occur there disappear. Meanwhile Leni Riefenstahl and his Big Tobacco smoke signals, Popeye, honeytraps and a few other loons manage to continue uninterrupted for years....under the guise of Freedom of Speech.

What kind of jive ass Forum is Spartacus anyway? Don and Tom would likely call it a 'fair and democratic one'. Please don't make me laugh with that sanctimonious crap.

What can I say? Best not get me started. hutup:

All it does nowadays is house the rejects and refugees of Lancer, Black Op Radio and dare I say the DPF.

Well, in the same way that bikie clubs and the British National Party exist for the angry losers of the world to find a place to belong and some validation for their weird ideas I suppose there must be a place for the irrational, Mockingbirds, military censors and snake oil salesmen to gather and make some sense of their lives. I just feel sorry for the newbies who wander in unsuspectingly and for those who have contributed their long years and good research waiting for the shit storm to pass there. Which it will when hell freezes over.

When good guys and decent researchers like GB, Greg Parker, Lee Farley, Glenn Viklund and others get harrassed for giving a guy like Cinque jib. You have a problem of elephantitis proportions.

Well, there are other places for them and they are welcome here. Everything but Kitchen Cinque and the lone nutters here. Makes life so much more easy not having those sorts of distractions.

Good god if Don or Tom was modding here lemme tell you. I'd be kicked out, Albert, Vas and probably Lauren would follow. However, its not to worry we'd all be replaced by John Hankey, Cinque, Greg Douglas, Scully, Morrow, Nelson and any other war criminal of logic you could name.

Yes, they're all too worried about the children, lured there in their thousands under the false pretence that it is about 'education', who may be reading the EF who may be exposed to the words which must never be spoken. So much for free speech. We even use all the words which the Department of Himeland Security doesn't want you talk about either. As Bob 'The Boner' notes the membership is falling and except for a few die hards determined not to give in (and good for them too) it is probably only children left there to be concerned about. We accept that there may be passions involved, that we are human here and that swear words have their legitmate place in communication. We are more interested in the meat not the dressing.

What's so funny in the above thread is Boner Morrow's pondering 'why oh why their membership was falling'. Can you believe that? I mean this is the skill level of the people running that joint. They can't see by allowing frauds like Morrow and Cinque to run with gay abandon (Boner the boob man will like that) they turn people off and destroy the credibility of said forum as a place of research, learning and proper debate. Which it actually used to be.

It has turned into Side Show Alley now. Mission Accomplished for some.

Here I'm proud to say I don't mind the fact a person has to earn the respect of the owners and the mods to be allowed to post regularly. CD may be a little obtuse but I hasten to say, it's the weeding out of the chaff that makes the DPF a great place to get peer review from. You have to earn you're right to citizenship, this may not work in overall society. But it sure as f*** works in a genuinely well run and organised forum!

As you know it hasn't always been an easy road here. It has had its ups and downs, twists and turns :rofl: but you deliver the goods. The goods are not always accepted in full 100%. And I know that goes vis a versa too. Differences of opinions and emphasis exist. And that is fine when it is between people who are seeking the answers in an open and honest way. We can all respect that and live with that. What we wont respect or tolerate is is the sort of crap that snake oil salesmen try to foist on us all. They piss on us and tell us it is raining.

I hate pissing in their pockets but thank god for the DPF not to mention Dawn, CD, Jan and Magda!

Just don't tell me its raining :humble:

[Seamus Coogan]

Seamus,

I continue to be amazed that those of you who don't post at the EF are so concerned with what's going on there, to the extent that you critique the performance of moderators like me. I don't claim to be a "great" moderator, however one would define "great" for such a position. I do the best I can, and my policy is usually to be hands-off, regardless of how I feel about the individual poster.

It is quite sad to see Jim Fetzer's performance on the Cinque thread. I share most of your feelings about this. However, I don't think it's proper for anyone to publicly speculate about his mental state, or to quote the alleged feelings of his brother, as was done in an earlier post. The mods at EF catch flack from all sides, but we do the best we can. There are a lot of posts that offend somebody.

You include Glenn Viklund as a "good researcher." Are you aware that he is a lone nutter? I assure you that I wouldn't want to ban you, or Albert, or Charles, or any other poster here you can think of. I do object when nasty personal attacks that go over the line are posted, but it's difficult to distinguish that from the general unpleasant tone of too many regular posters.

At this point, there isn't very much to like about the research community. Difficult personalities, bombastic egos, intolerance and arrogance seem to be everywhere. I've given up on ever getting any decent number of people to coalesce together behind the general premise that Oswald didn't do it. But despite it all, I remain utterly engrossed in this subject.

My bad with Mr V. lol I hardly think it takes away from EF entertaining a horde of the most inane cretins in JFK history.

[Dawn Meredith]

Seamus,

I continue to be amazed that those of you who don't post at the EF are so concerned with what's going on there, to the extent that you critique the performance of moderators like me. I don't claim to be a "great" moderator, however one would define "great" for such a position. I do the best I can, and my policy is usually to be hands-off, regardless of how I feel about the individual poster.

It is quite sad to see Jim Fetzer's performance on the Cinque thread. I share most of your feelings about this. However, I don't think it's proper for anyone to publicly speculate about his mental state, or to quote the alleged feelings of his brother, as was done in an earlier post. The mods at EF catch flack from all sides, but we do the best we can. There are a lot of posts that offend somebody.

You include Glenn Viklund as a "good researcher." Are you aware that he is a lone nutter? I assure you that I wouldn't want to ban you, or Albert, or Charles, or any other poster here you can think of. I do object when nasty personal attacks that go over the line are posted, but it's difficult to distinguish that from the general unpleasant tone of too many regular posters.

At this point, there isn't very much to like about the research community. Difficult personalities, bombastic egos, intolerance and arrogance seem to be everywhere. I've given up on ever getting any decent number of people to coalesce together behind the general premise that Oswald didn't do it. But despite it all, I remain utterly engrossed in this subject.

Don I appreciate your sentiments about speculating about one's mental state, and in most instances agree with you. But when old friends of a person see their former friend fall into such a state do you think it should not be mentioned? Simply ignored? I am sure Jim was contacted privately by some.
That people CARE about his mental state shows that people who know him care. And feel frustrated and sad to see the decline.
I appreciate the job you do at EF. Moderation is time consuming and lacking in reward.
Perhaps at some point the mods will elect to lock that thread.
Dawn

[Albert Doyle]

Here comes Don to spray bathroom perfume on a sewer tank.


You won't change Fetzer until you hold him accountable for his stupid input with site action. That goes for our government too.

[Shelby_DellaRosa]

I was missing my husband tonight, more than is usual, so I popped over here, visited the archive that bears his name and so much of the work of the last years of his life, and thought I'd come and see what's what in the research community. Research was always Rich's bailiwick; I was his cheerleader.

I am deeply saddened to see such dissension regarding Dr. Fetzer and more saddened yet to hear that he is different from whom he was in terms of what he espouses. My husband's name is forever linked with his and I guess that now concerns me.

As to the original topic of this thread, I think that kindness, compassion and prayer (or whatever you might believe in) are always appropriate responses when someone seems to suddenly change or "go off the rails."

Just my thoughts. Best regards to you all,

Shelby DellaRosa

[David Healy]

I was missing my husband tonight, more than is usual, so I popped over here, visited the archive that bears his name and so much of the work of the last years of his life, and thought I'd come and see what's what in the research community. Research was always Rich's bailiwick; I was his cheerleader.

I am deeply saddened to see such dissension regarding Dr. Fetzer and more saddened yet to hear that he is different from whom he was in terms of what he espouses. My husband's name is forever linked with his and I guess that now concerns me.

As to the original topic of this thread, I think that kindness, compassion and prayer (or whatever you might believe in) are always appropriate responses when someone seems to suddenly change or "go off the rails."

Just my thoughts. Best regards to you all,

Shelby DellaRosa

not sure you have anything to worry about regarding the DellaRosa-Fetzer relationship of yore, Shelby. Today there's not much difference between the controlled and uncontrolled anarchy
factions in the JFK assassination research community. Just the same old turf wars... I miss Rich and his sensabilities.... hope all is well with you and yours.
David Healy

[Albert Doyle]

Defenders of JFK probably get to hang-out with JFK in a wood paneled room watching fools like Fetzer in a vision pool and laughing.



McAdams and Von Pein will probably end up in a place hanging-out with Dulles and Angleton...

[Dawn Meredith]

Defenders of JFK probably get to hang-out with JFK in a wood paneled room watching fools like Fetzer in a vision pool and laughing.



McAdams and Von Pein will probably end up in a place hanging-out with Dulles and Angleton...

What?

Are you referring to some after life?

Shelly my good friend Terry Mauro speaks most fondly of you and Rich.

Dawn

[Dawn Meredith]

I believe this is a typo...but one that is telling of why kindness is the best option:

James H. Fetzer, on 03 June 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:
You seem to have no understanding of how to go about TESTING the official account and FALSIFYING IT. Ralph and I are in the business of TESTING AND FALSIFYING.

Dawn

[Charles Drago]

I believe this is a typo...but one that is telling of why kindness is the best option:

James H. Fetzer, on 03 June 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:
You seem to have no understanding of how to go about TESTING the official account and FALSIFYING IT. Ralph and I are in the business of TESTING AND FALSIFYING.

Dawn

Actually, Jim is referencing the principle put forward by Karl Popper: "Falsifiability or refutability of an assertion, hypothesis or theory is the logical possibility that it can be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of a physical experiment. That something is "falsifiable" does not mean it is false; rather, that if it is false, then some observation or experiment will produce a reproducible result that is in conflict with it."

Cinque's and Fetzer's assertions vis a vis Altgens 6 have been tested and falsified. Over and over again.
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