Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Albert

I suggest to ask Charles to explain you about the Corsican ruse, also you should read the booku "The Great Heroin Coup".
So it was Rosebaum and Ben Gurion who controlled Dulles, C.D.Jackson, Henry Luce, Curtis Lemay, Hunt, Phillips, the Paines, CIA and Anti-Castro agents, people like
Brundage, the Pews, the eastern establishment etc.
So your model will look like this:

SPONSORS
Israel, Ben Gurion, Tibor Rosenbaum

FACILITATORS
LBJ, Angleton, Lansky, Mossad, Permindex

MECHANICS
Corsicans, Mossad

Tisk tisk Vasilios. You're putting Sponsorship words in my mouth I've already been very clear in disclaiming.

I think you're avoiding recognizing/discussing the very real role this Mediterranean cabal played in the assassination.

Still though, I'm perplexed by the questioning of Israeli control seeing today's situation in comparison.

For instance do you think Mearsheimer and Walt, Carter, or Finkelstein are "Jews behind every bush" people???

To avoid putting Sponshorship words in your mouth, please present your own version of the model according to Piper's book

Shouldn't you answer Albert's question first, namely, do you consider that Mearsheimer and Walt, Carter, or Finkelstein are "Jews behind every bush" people?

Maybe Phil Dragoo might like to answer this one as well.

I would have answer it if i knew who these people are, but i am afraid i don't. Unfortunately i do not live in USA and i am not familiar with everyone there.

[Mark Stapleton]

Too much going on in my life right now to expand upon this, but I offer a brief query for your consideration:

Given that there were uber-powerful political, intelligence, military, cultural, and economic players on both sides of the Iron Curtain who, in George Michael Evica's memorable phrase, were "above Cold War differences," do you concede that there are similar players on both sides of the Jordan who are above Arab/Israeli and Islam/infidel differences?

Not sure whether this question was directed at me CD, but I would concede there would be, yes.

[Albert Doyle]

To do justice to this I'd have to re-read Final Judgment and I just don't have time because of other serious research.



However I agree with Mark that I shouldn't be the one answering the questions at this point. Even Braden tied directly in with the Mickey Cohen west coast gang and Rose Cheramie had advance knowledge that involved protected heroin smuggling routes.

[Albert Doyle]

Jim DiEugenio said to Rago in his response to being accused of not covering Final Judgment "Because we do not investigate BS that's why".


Hmm, methinks Jim has offered a somewhat deficient answer seeing how he has specialized in doing nothing other than exactly that for the last few decades. Sorry, but I think Jim is rattled about something. These answers bother me because they are beneath DiEugenio's regular standard which makes me think he's scared of something.


Edit: I just realized Rago's title says "Why Israel Assassinated The Kennedy's". That assigns primary sponsorship to Israel and violates the obvious Deeper Political aspects that automatically exclude "Israel assassinating the Kennedy's" (which is preposterous if you know even the slightest thing about the conspiracy). So, no, I didn't intend to endorse Rago's typical blundering. I just wanted to point out Final Judgment has some very valuable ingredients even if they might have been used to claim false sponsorship.

[Albert Doyle]

For those who are "agnostic" about Ben Gurion's possible role in JFK's assassination I find it difficult to ignore that Angleton was liaison to Israel, knew the main Mossad members from its conception, and was smuggling nuclear materials behind Kennedy's back to Dimona at the time Ben Gurion was forced out of office with a nervous brerakdown from his dealings with Kennedy.

[Bill Kelly]

For those who are "agnostic" about Ben Gurion's possible role in JFK's assassination I find it difficult to ignore that Angleton was liaison to Israel, knew the main Mossad members from its conception, and was smuggling nuclear materials behind Kennedy's back to Dimona at the time Ben Gurion was forced out of office with a nervous brerakdown from his dealings with Kennedy.

The Dealey Plaza operation was conducted by a domestic intelligence network, not a foreign one.

You really do have a CIA/Jew bug up your butt, don't ya?

BK

[Albert Doyle]

For those who are "agnostic" about Ben Gurion's possible role in JFK's assassination I find it difficult to ignore that Angleton was liaison to Israel, knew the main Mossad members from its conception, and was smuggling nuclear materials behind Kennedy's back to Dimona at the time Ben Gurion was forced out of office with a nervous brerakdown from his dealings with Kennedy.

The Dealey Plaza operation was conducted by a domestic intelligence network, not a foreign one.

You really do have a CIA/Jew bug up your butt, don't ya?

BK

You'll forgive me if I find that both an inadequate answer to what I wrote and a telling response at the same time. If you know CIA and how they operate they hide their doings behind safe political shields like the one you are hiding behind here. If you read Final Judgment you would understand how awfully inadequate that knee-jerk response was vs the Mediterranean underground network Piper exposes.

By the way, I'm curious to hear your explanation of Cuban exile Homer Echevarria's statement "we now have plenty of money - our new backers are Jews"?

It's important to avoid over generalizations where the person noting this situation is accused of saying Israel was behind the assassination. I think what is more appropriate is to note how Israel and its interests might have been used to further the backing for the assassination by those who carried it out. This isn't, then, a question of whether Israel was the Sponsor of the assassination but whether you can get away with bullying politically-motivated intimidation whose purpose is to erase their actual role. A role I believe Piper more than adequately outlines in their Lansky-CIA-Mossad troika embodied in the Mediterranean underground and French Connection.

And, gee, with all the CIA members involved like Hunt, Phillips, Morales, Harvey, Angleton etc imagine people having "a bug up their ass" about CIA? Those poor falsely-accused guys. Sorry, that's a rather unsophisticated answer considering the complex arrangement covered by Piper.

Why is it when it comes to Israel persons who are rather erudite and well researched suddenly get less so?

[Magda Hassan]

Why is it when it comes to Israel persons who are rather erudite and well researched suddenly get less so?

I agree.

[Mark Stapleton]

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....9206&st=90

My goodness I think the EF got it right. It wasn't just Israel, but they were a major player. I was partly righthock:

Jim Phelps and Miko Rago are impressive researchers, imo. Best JFK thread I've seen.

And some very interesting names appear in the troll sideshow.

[Magda Hassan]

Rago has already been covered here.