Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

It's obvious that "The Joos did it" is well below the level of credible information Piper has provided in his book and has been argued here.



It's also obvious that those who have dismissed Piper (that is the valid facilitator information he provides) can't back their reasons for doing so in sincere rational arguments.

[Seamus Coogan]

Shite GB I had it in my head you were always in Miami.

Charles please calm down, I was merely taking the piss out of you fretting about me calling Albert 'Al'. If you can recall I said if Albert is guilty as charged then it is fine by me. I also said along the lines that if he is 'that bad' and he is being dishonest 'then kick him off'.

The underlining point I am making, is that while I may disagree with some of the ways you have gone about things. I do ultimately trust yours and GB's judgements if you think something is up with AD (what an asshole I am in agreeing with you).


I have had some good exchanges with AD in the past. You all know I was actually quite fond of him, yet I always tried to keep him a little at arms-length...it was his running around with Jimi Hendrix shit, his inane pestering of Jim over Janney, not to mention his growing and blatant anti-Semitism that made myself go hmmmmmm.

However, it was not enough for me to get the creeps about him though.

Thus, I have to give Dawn full credit for asking a very plain question pertaining to AD. This concerned where he lived and so on. It was simple yet effective. Albert's lack of a coherent reply and putting images of himself up during this time was telling.
Sometimes, the best approach is the direct one.

As said earlier AD impressed me going after Cinque, Nelson and JF. He certainly found my weak spot ROFL.

Nonetheless, cheers for outing him. After looking at the posts (unless something truly dramatic happens), it looks like you guys have done a fine job.

CD I also owe you an explanation. My comments concerning the 'paranoia' aspect were to do with the passage about 'AD' as Jim Fetzer. Like Don, I was not down with this angle. In saying that, I found GB's appraisals of a Fetzer type 'doppelganger' very, very interesting. In fact, if this has anything to do with JF, I think there may well be something within Greg's observations. Hence, I would have done well pointing out... A) That I had seen GB's take. B) Not to mention your opinions.

I did note CD that in your earlier verve' to jump on the Fetzer pulpit (which you wisely seem to have moderated). You forget that it was actually little old me who was probably the first person anywhere, too voice concerns that Fetzer may have been impersonating or acting out different people i.e. 'Ron' on the Ventura show. I did so well over a year ago, yet you call me 'naive' or 'ignorant'. I will now re-translate that as "Seamus you delightful cherub. You truly were ahead of the pack, how does one praise thee?'" ROFL.

I do not need to remind anyone here, that I cottoned onto how much of a train wreck Fetzer was 'A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away'. Thus, while I may have been a little dull with AD, I am okay with admitting it. Yet CD (and I say this with a wry grin-not with daggers) how long were you 'ignorant' of Fetzer a far more destructive force?

Look we all cock up in our appraisals of people (my take on Greg due to his association with Fetzer is a classic). We also do well with them (my befriending you CD, I know you cherish every moment we spend). Anyway Bruiser', I give you due credit for your long held distrust of AD (which may well be vindicated). As said addendum, for my part I have always instinctively disliked JF.
If you are bang on, then bully to the both of us I say 'old chap!'

Nope I am not taking the piss out of your age oh silver fox.

Anyhow, enough jabs and back slapping between chums. Let us get back to my first allegations concerning Fetzer's potential use of different ID's.

You probably do not recall the idiot 'Ron' on Ventura's shoddy JFK episode. Well I posted a summation of my concerns on this very forum. https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums...asadena+bridge

I shamed myself a little, by cutting something of a deal with the dark side on this issue. It is certainly a lesson in being applying caution where some ones long term loathing of Fetzer takes over. Rash and silly things occur. I honestly do not know if you folk, are still going down the Fetzer road. I admit to being very late in this regard. However, by checking into the 'Ron' stuff rather than going down the cyber route. You may prove or disprove what Fetzer is capable of doing i.e. impersonations. I do not stand by my Ron allegation. It may yield something or nothing. Nonetheless, I really hope we can at least have some discussion concerning the Ventura show. If it turns out he is Ron, I would argue his embarrassing cameo on the show, is more devastating to his reputation than any potential dodgy dealings here. The irony of it all was how many people agreed it was JF or believed he was capable of doing it. That is a devastating appraisal of dear Mr Fetzer.

Understand this I shall not relent. I am going to pester you CD and GB to have a closer look into this.

As said earlier (and I must repeat myself once again). I have no problems if AD, be deemed a plant. Yet if JF has been AD all along, he has had to have for a very long time (I acknowledge this point has discussed earlier by CD, GB and DJ). I have known AD 'Mark I' since around 2009 when he (or 'it' as you would call him) showed up at Lancer (I have been on there since 2006). ADMKI's arrival there as you probably know, was about a year before he turned up here.

Now it appears the question really is/was could a screw up like Fetzer, have the skill set required to be a long-term witting fraud? Before I go there fella's, I want to say if perchance people do find out Fetzer was 'Ron' (which like I said I would love to have clarified). He does not appear good enough to maintain charades past dorky cameos. You have all seen him trip over his lies and distortions within minutes, hours, days and weeks of himself. ADMKI dropped some howlers for sure, but nowhere near as often. I also found myself agreeing with Don's line 'when has Fetzer ever been shy of stepping forward' at least on the forums? The latest prose from ADMKII to me really does show a bit much self-control.

What was the reasoning thrown around for him becoming 'AD' 'He was once a brilliant researcher' Sorry I just cannot abide by that logic. He had one or two interesting articles, but the sum of his other shite outweighs any supposed good he did. One or to swallows do not make a summer (less a researcher). He could not light a candle next to Bill Davy, Gerald McKnight, Jim DiEugenio, and Jim Douglas or dare I say you CD. Hell, I mean Greg who at times also imparted some of Fetzer's better ideas, (when he JF' had them) has long had far more humility and honour in his pinkie than that ingrate. Hence, I think GB does himself a disservice when he mentions JF's encyclopaedic knowledge of the case.

I have seen more knowledge from GB in all areas than that schmuck.

Sure, I may be wrong. You people may well have uncovered that Fetzer is playing the village idiot for laughs, and then donning his Ron and AD disguise by night. Yet Fetzer, from my intensive documentation of all manner of his shite (literally going back some seven or so years). Not to mention my own rather intense confrontations with him (which you have all seen). Comes across less a person running disinformation and more like a guy whose ego and gullibility has seen him become a straw man. Now, in making the 'running disinformation' call I also have to be careful. GB and CD have been clear that they do not regard Fetzer as some operative. Indeed, in the other posts to their cred, they have tried to be cautious in making blanket comments concerning anything much. Sadly, as the debate became a little more heated with Don, the rather sensible statements became lost or garbled. I think Don for some good questions, would have done well to go over their previous posts a little more closely.

Hey, that shit happens on forums though.

IMO 'AD' for all the furore and good detective work from CD and GB. May well (as CD has said) just be a mundane ploy. Whose masters have changed shifts or gotten a replacement with a slightly Fetzerian twist as GB suggested. I hope we will learn more guys, but for now why not just ditch AD. Knowing the game is up he will just be spewing all garbage. Unless there is some other brilliant diversion or strategy you guys are working on (if I know CD he is probably plotting something lol). It all feels rather like flogging a dead horse. I just do not know how much more you will get out of him.

My main concern for all my words, discussing the AD/Fetzer topic. Is just how bad threads containing this thinly veiled anti-Semitic shite make any forum look. I acknowledge that Mark has been supportive of the DPF during past struggles. However, if the entity AD is to go I would also like to see Mr Stapleton depart. His use as a lure for entities has surely expired. Anyhow, I hope this post clarifies any potential misunderstandings. I really hope Greg, CD, and hell even Don could do some digging and look into the 'Ron' angle.


If you want any more info as per my allegations, please email me via my personal address.

[Mark Stapleton]

Was Jack Ruby Italian or Jewish, Charles?

Are you fluent in English, Mark?

Yes.

You see how easy it is to answer direct questions.

Especially when honesty is not a consideration.

If you're alleging dishonesty on my part you should state clearly what exactly you're referring to.

[David Josephs]

As they are the experts on Piper... I have repeatedly asked either Mark or "AL" to post passages from the book that support the conclusions...
I've looked and looked thru this book for ANYTHING that supports the theory.. and all I ever find is Piper telling us how everyone else is wrong yet not
actually showing us where he is RIGHT....



In short, if "the Mafia" had a hand in the
killing of JFK, then Lansky had to have been one of the key players.

A FINAL NOTE: Since the first release of Final Judgmentwhich was the
first JFK assassination book to seriously focus on James Angleton (based upon
leads provided by Mark Lane's Plausible Denial)JFK researcher Lisa Pease
(who received a copy of Final Judgment from the author) has written two
excellent articles examining Angleton's critical role in the JFK affair. They
appear in the book The Assassinations (Los Angeles, Feral House Press, 2003)
edited by Miss Pease and James DiEugenio. Unfortunately, although Miss Pease
referenced Final Judgment, in passing in earlier renditions of her essays (when
they were first published on the Internet), she has since deleted those references,
perhaps out of fear of being associated with yours truly.

In any case, Miss Pease also rushes to assure her readers that she has found no evidence to support the
theory that Angleton was "controlled" by the Mossad, despite her suggestion
that other un-named writers have asserted as much. In fact, as readers of Final
Judgment know well, no such assertion is made in this book. Quite the contrary,
Angleton was a Mossad loyalist. No "control" was necessary.

Would you think he'd bring it all together in the PREFACE?

PREFACE

[size=12]The Unspoken Truth:
Israel's Central Role in the JFK Assassination
Where in the world could anyone come up with the idea that
Israel's Mossad had a hand in the assassination of John F. Kennedy?
All of the information which, taken together, proves this contention has
long been in the public domain. This book,
[/SIZE][size=12]Final Judgment, [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]brings all of[/SIZE]
[size=12]these facts together for the first time in a fascinating and frightening
scenario thatalthough controversialdoes make sense.
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]Considering all of the theories about the assassination of John F.
Kennedy that have been circulating for years, how could anyone ever
suggest that Israel's Mossad was involved ?
This was the reaction of more than a few people when apprised of the thesis
presented in the pages of this book. Yet, I believe, that when you read this
volume you will reach the same conclusion: that Israel and its spy
agency, the Mossad, did indeed play a critical role in the JFK assassination
conspiracy and its cover-up. The evidence is there, as you shall see.
It was in 1989, while re-reading A. J. Weberman and Michael
Canfield's
[/SIZE][size=12]Coup d'Etat in America [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12](first published in 1975) that I first[/SIZE]
[size=12]stumbled upon a strange reference that ultimately led to my research that is
outlined here in the pages of
[/SIZE][size=12]Final Judgment. [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]The reference, simple as it[/SIZE]
[size=12]was, appearing on page 41, read as follows:
[/SIZE][size=12]"After the assassination, an informer for the Secret Service and the
FBI who had infiltrated a Cuban exile group and was in the process of
selling them machine guns, reported that on November 21, 1963 he was
told, 'We now have plenty of money
[/SIZE][size=12]our new backers are the Jewsas[/SIZE]
[size=12]soon as they take care of JFK.'
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]This man had furnished reliable[/SIZE]
[size=12]information in the past."
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12](emphasis added)[/SIZE]
[size=12][/SIZE][size=12]I barely noticed the reference, but it did intrigue me. Who did this
source mean by
[/SIZE][size=12]"the Jews" [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]and why (of all people) would [/SIZE][size=12]"they" [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]want to[/SIZE]
[size=12][/SIZE][size=12]"take care of JFK"?
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]I concluded the source meant Jewish gangsters such as[/SIZE]
[size=12]Meyer Lansky who wanted to regain their Cuban gambling interests they
lost when Castro came to power. This, I thought, had to be the answer.
Frankly, I laid the speculation aside. It was just one lone detail among
millions of words written about the JFK assassination. Nearly a year went
by before I came across the reference againwhile re-reading the same
book. I pondered the quote for a moment, thinking, "This
[/SIZE][size=12]is [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]interesting."[/SIZE]
[size=12]However, I once again cast it aside. I had long ago already concluded
that the CIA, in collusion with elements of "the Mafia" and the anti-Castro
Cuban exiles, was responsible for the president's assassination.
However, an entire year latersometime in 1991I came across a
variation of the same quotation cited in the book by Weberman and
Canfield. This time it appeared in David Scheim's book,
[/SIZE][size=12]Contract on[/SIZE]
[size=12]America,
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]which contends "The Mafia Killed JFK" and which also[/SIZE]
[size=12][ii]
[/SIZE][size=12]Final Judgment[/SIZE]
[size=12][/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]vehemently dismisses any CIA involvement whatsoever. I had read
Scheim's book when it first came out in 1988, but I had not noticed the
reference (or the similarity to the other one) at that time.
What intrigued me, however, was that Scheim's rendition of the quote
deleted the reference to the alleged Jewish backers of the Cuban plotters.
My immediate thought was: "What's Scheim trying to hide?" At that
moment I finally began to see that this unusual (seemingly minor) detail
might, in fact, point toward something much bigger than I had realized.
[/SIZE][size=12]THE LANSKY CONNECTION
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]It was at this time that a new biography of organized crime figure
Meyer Lansky was released. Entitled
[/SIZE][size=12]Little Man: Meyer Lansky and the[/SIZE]
[size=12]Gangster Life,
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]the bookprepared in cooperation with Lansky's[/SIZE]
[size=12]familywas little more than a puff piece for Lansky. I realized immediately
that the book still somehow seemed to be missing quite a lot.
It was then that I returned to my library and pulled a book off the shelf
that I hadn't re-read in perhaps fifteen years. It was Hank Messick's
biography of Lansky. Re-reading this important book I began to see that
Meyer Lansky was not just a Mafia advisor as David Scheim, for example,
would have his readers believe. Instead, Lansky was "the chairman of the
board" of organized crime. All of the Mafia figures that had been repeatedly
implicated in the JFK assassination were, in fact, Lansky's front menhis
subordinates, his underlings. In short, if "the Mafia" had a hand in the
killing of JFK, then Lansky had to have been one of the key players.
Yet, as I quickly began to see in reviewing many of the works which
allege that "The Mafia Killed JFK," Lansky's preeminent role was being
ignored or otherwise under-played. I was aware of Lansky's close ties to
Israel. After all, Lansky fled to Israel when the heat was on in the United
States. But how deeply did the Lansky-Israeli connection go? My research
into that question began to turn up some interesting facts.
[/SIZE][size=12]THE ISRAELI CONNECTION
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]At this juncture, however, I had no reason whatsoever to think that
Israel would have had any reason to participate in the JFK assassination
conspiracy. However, it was just about the time that I had begun to take a
second look at the Lansky connectionin 1991that several new works
were released which provided never-before revealed information about the
covert relationship between the United States and Israel.
These books, cited extensively in
[/SIZE][size=12]Final Judgment, [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]made it all too clear[/SIZE]
[size=12]that John F. Kennedy had become embroiled in a bitter behind-the-scenes
battle with Israel. In fact, Kennedy was at war.
JFK's secret war with Israel was something that even long-time JFK
assassination researchers had no reason to know about. Much of the
material had long been classified. It was a secreta deep, dark secret.
[/SIZE][size=12]Preface
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12][iii][/SIZE]
[size=12]Some of JFK's communications with then-Israeli Prime Minister David
Ben-Gurion were classified for years, until just recently. Not even top-level
intelligence officials with special security clearance were initially allowed
access to those explosive documents.
In fact, prior to these more recent revelations, very little about JFK's
relations with Israel and the Arab world had ever actually been published
anywhere. As historian David Schoenbaum pointed out quite notably in his
book,
[/SIZE][size=12]The United States and the State of Israel:[/SIZE]
[size=12][/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]"Submerged among the high-visibility themes of East-West relations,
the nuclear arms race and the early dawn of a test ban and nonproliferation,
the Berlin and Cuban missile crisis, the perplexities of the newly
decolonized Belgian Congo, buoyant hopes for an Alliance for Progress in
Latin America, and the deepening quagmire in Vietnam,
[/SIZE][size=12]the Middle East is[/SIZE]
[size=12]scarcely even visible in the standard biographies that followed Kennedy's
assassination. Even by liberal estimates, Ben-Gurion and Nasser, Israel
and Egypt appear on only seven each of Theodore Sorensen's 758, and
Arthur M. Schlesinger's 1,031 pages of text."
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12](Emphasis added.)[/SIZE]
[size=12]In short, while JFK assassination researchers were busy probing a wide
variety of areas, they were missing the big picturethe secret picture on the
other side of the jigsaw puzzle.
So it was that the new revelations about Kennedy's relationship with
Israel (and its potential link to the assassination conspiracy) made me
realize that there was an unexplored area of researchnever before
consideredthat needed examination.
[/SIZE][size=12]ISRAEL, LANSKY
[/SIZE][size=12]& [/SIZE][size=12]THE [/SIZE][size=12]CIA[/SIZE]
[size=12][/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]By this time, then, the long and close relationship between Israel and
JFK's foes at the CIA was something that was now being acknowledged.
And JFK's own war with the CIA was already common knowledge. At the
time of the JFK assassination, however, the depth and breadth of the CIA's
relationship with Israel's Mossad, however, was not so commonly known.
The pieces of the puzzle were all there. They simply needed to be put
together. With a basic thesis now evolving in my mind, I began re-reading
much of the published information about the JFK assassination, his policy
toward Israel and the history of organized crime.
And in so doing, I repeatedly found myself stumbling upon new
information that continued to verify what was initially in my mind just a
theory, but which I now believe to be the truth. By December of 1992 I
realized that I had enough material for a book and I began to write it.
But even as I was already in the process of writing the book, I was
startled by the vast amount of material that I was continually uncovering
and virtually all of it was in the pages of mainstream sources freely available
to anyone who cared to do the research. I thus began to realize that I had
indeed begun to assemble a remarkable wealth of material that brought my
initial thesis full circle.
[iv]
[/SIZE][size=12]Final Judgment[/SIZE]
[size=12]THE PERMINDEX CONNECTION
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]It is the Permindex connection which is the tie that bindsthe final
proof that the Mossad was at the center of the assassination conspiracy. In
Permindex we find all of the critical elements tying the Mossad, the CIA
and the Lansky Crime Syndicate together in close-knit intrigue
[/SIZE][size=12]linked[/SIZE]
[size=12]directly to the murder of President Kennedy.
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]Although researchers have devoted much time and energy to pursuing a
wide variety of questions relating to the JFK assassination (focusing on many
matters that will never be resolved) most have steered clear of Permindex.
Those who have referenced it portray Permindex as some sort of remnant
of the Third Reich but nothing could be further from the truth.
[/SIZE][size=12]In fact, understanding the forces behind Permindex is the key to
resolving the biggest mystery of this century: the question of not only who
killed John F. Kennedybut why.
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]INSIDERS AGREE . . .
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]Just before I began the book I mentioned my theory to a rather well-known
former United States congressman. He surprised me when he said, "I think you
are on to something. I've believed for years that the Mossad was involved in
the Kennedy assassination, but I never really took the time to look into it.
I'm glad you're doing it, though. It will be an important book. It's a book I
would have liked to have written myself."
Then, just after I finished the first draft, I sent a copy of the manuscript to
another former member of Congress, Paul Findley, thinking that he might have
some interest in the subject. His response was perhaps a bit astonishing.
The ex-Congressman wrote me a surprising letter in which he said, "I will
mention that over the past four years I have had lengthy correspondence with
a retired diplomat from a western European nation whose family (including
himself) has had disastrous experiences with Israel and the Mossad. He has
been prodding me all that time to do what you have done."that is, write a
book exploring Israel's secret role in the JFK assassination conspiracy.
Congressman Findley then passed the manuscript on to the Frenchman
(whose remarkable story you will learn about in these pages) who in turn
provided me additional fascinating leads and inside information that helped
make the thesis presented in
[/SIZE][size=12]Final Judgment [/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]complete.[/SIZE]
[size=12][/SIZE][size=12]ONE COMPLETE PICTURE
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE][size=12]Israel's Mossad was indeed a primary force behind the JFK
assassination conspiracy. The Israeli connection pulls all of the pieces of the
puzzle together into one complete picture. The role of the Mossad in the
JFK assassination is indeed the "missing link" in the conspiracy. For the
sake of history, it is a story that needs to be told.
[/SIZE][size=12]MICHAEL COLLINS PIPER
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE]

[Phil Dragoo]

David has ploughed Piper for the author's Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thesis:

The famous Coup d'Etat in America by the famous A.J. Weberman and Michael Canfield (don't miss the celluloid overlays showing Sturgis, Hunt, Carswell as the Tramps) held the secret

Turning to page 41 we see the Jew clue emanates from a DRE-affiliate, an operative of Joannides, so we may have absolute faith in his veracity

Now comes Lansky the chairman of the board who flees to Israeland since we accept the unproven the-mob-did-it we take the top mobster and accuse his bolt hole

Add the hidden secret that the greatest agenda item driving Kennedy was Israel as revealed by sealed correspondence

And the final proof is of course Permindex that hotbed of Mossad activity which apparently figured in the assassination

If there's any doubt, add an ex-congressman relating a western European diplomat who had disastrous experience with the Mossad and Bob's your uncle

And for this, Piper's proponents perform ever funnier parodies of Charlie Chaplain in the bunker

The mass is too stupid to get itturn over the chairs, get up on the tables

Going back to Piper's obsessionall the times I've read Coup, page 41 never nagged at my subconscious

[David Josephs]

David has ploughed Piper for the author's Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thesis:

The famous Coup d'Etat in America by the famous A.J. Weberman and Michael Canfield (don't miss the celluloid overlays showing Sturgis, Hunt, Carswell as the Tramps) held the secret

Turning to page 41 we see the Jew clue emanates from a DRE-affiliate, an operative of Joannides, so we may have absolute faith in his veracity

Now comes Lansky the chairman of the board who flees to Israeland since we accept the unproven the-mob-did-it we take the top mobster and accuse his bolt hole

Add the hidden secret that the greatest agenda item driving Kennedy was Israel as revealed by sealed correspondence

And the final proof is of course Permindex that hotbed of Mossad activity which apparently figured in the assassination

If there's any doubt, add an ex-congressman relating a western European diplomat who had disastrous experience with the Mossad and Bob's your uncle

And for this, Piper's proponents perform ever funnier parodies of Charlie Chaplain in the bunker

The mass is too stupid to get itturn over the chairs, get up on the tables

Going back to Piper's obsessionall the times I've read Coup, page 41 never nagged at my subconscious

Dont forget Phil... Sy Hersch. He was able to find this out and unearth it while "serious researchers" overlooked it all these years...

OY

[Albert Doyle]

I have had some good exchanges with AD in the past. You all know I was actually quite fond of him, yet I always tried to keep him a little at arms-length...it was his running around with Jimi Hendrix shit, his inane pestering of Jim over Janney, not to mention his growing and blatant anti-Semitism that made myself go hmmmmmm.

Seamus. I refuse to be drawn into this ad hominem mud pit being deliberately constructed to avoid objective discussion of Piper. Enter it at your own peril and the risk of losing credibility as far as credible pursuit and discussion of the evidence behind the assassination.

You should be aware that Jimi Hendrix was the victim of a very ugly and deep murder scandal. I say, in your own interest, that to call it 'shit' is to impugn your own credibility. You speak as if you have credibly consigned myself to the other side vs Hendrix. Since you haven't entered a speck of information to back that, as with Piper, I'll just leave that as it is. I must remind you that in the matter of Hendrix you use the same approach and take the same position as people like Von Pein. Also, I sincerely believe Jim has made a serious mistake with Mary Meyer. As with Piper Janney could be seriously flawed but still be on to a real CIA covert murder that seriously fits their pattern and motive shown in other such murders. Even Charles questioned Jim on that.

But if we just limit this to on-topic discussion of Piper you have entered nothing vs objective discussion of the facts and evidence. In my opinion calling people 'entities" is a very crude way to approach this, as you sort of hinted above. As is the classic anti-semite card. What are people afraid of here?

[Albert Doyle]

In any case, Miss Pease also rushes to assure her readers that she has found no evidence to support the
theory that Angleton was "controlled" by the Mossad, despite her suggestion
that other un-named writers have asserted as much. In fact, as readers of Final
Judgment know well, no such assertion is made in this book. Quite the contrary,
Angleton was a Mossad loyalist. No "control" was necessary.

David has a frustrating penchant for entering material that more or less backs Piper while applying an opposite interpretation to it. Most of what he enters doesn't really answer the point that is being made.

[Mark Stapleton]

What are people afraid of here?

Nice post Albert.

And the answer to your question I highlighted?

The truth of course. They're terrified of it.

There's no other explanation for the irrational hostility to this legitimate research. In saying this I'm assuming that the goal of the research community is to solve this crime.

[Charles Drago]

I have had some good exchanges with AD in the past. You all know I was actually quite fond of him, yet I always tried to keep him a little at arms-length...it was his running around with Jimi Hendrix shit, his inane pestering of Jim over Janney, not to mention his growing and blatant anti-Semitism that made myself go hmmmmmm.

Seamus. I refuse to be drawn into this ad hominem mud pit being deliberately constructed to avoid objective discussion of Piper. Enter it at your own peril and the risk of losing credibility as far as credible pursuit and discussion of the evidence behind the assassination.

You should be aware that Jimi Hendrix was the victim of a very ugly and deep murder scandal. I say, in your own interest, that to call it 'shit' is to impugn your own credibility. You speak as if you have credibly consigned myself to the other side vs Hendrix. Since you haven't entered a speck of information to back that, as with Piper, I'll just leave that as it is. I must remind you that in the matter of Hendrix you use the same approach and take the same position as people like Von Pein. Also, I sincerely believe Jim has made a serious mistake with Mary Meyer. As with Piper Janney could be seriously flawed but still be on to a real CIA covert murder that seriously fits their pattern and motive shown in other such murders. Even Charles questioned Jim on that.

But if we just limit this to on-topic discussion of Piper you have entered nothing vs objective discussion of the facts and evidence. In my opinion calling people 'entities" is a very crude way to approach this, as you sort of hinted above. As is the classic anti-semite card. What are people afraid of here?

Jimmy Fetzer, Jimmy Fetzer, men have named you ...

Or at least a reasonable, intentional facsimile thereof.

With each post, the faux "Albert Doyle" inches open its kimono.