Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Jan Klimkowski]

Then there's this little beauty.

[Anthony Thorne]

The relevance and potential ongoing use of Gladio was astutely noted by Italian Judge Imposimato a few months back. Like all discussion of Gladio, his comments were ignored by the mainstream media.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/09/president-of-the-supreme-court-of-italy-to-refer-911-crimes-to-international-criminal-court.html

I'm curious to read more about the Permindex role in Gladio. As of late, I've been interested more recently in potential links overt and covert between Gladio and the Rand Corporation, and how those links may still be active today. If you Google 'Gladio Rand Corporation' a variety of pages come up noting links between the two regarding certain figures. François de Grossouvre, the leader of the active Gladio segment located around Lyon, France, reportedly maintained links with the Rand Corporation during his later exile in the US, prior to his April 1994 suicide that involved two bullets to his head. Elsewhere, Constantin Melnik, the onetime head of the Service de Documentation Extérieure et de Contre-Espionnage (SDECE), and creator of the state-sponsored Red Hand terrorists that committed false flag attacks during the Algerian war, is quoted at the following link

http://www.philipcoppens.com/stateterrorism_2.html

"What Constantin Melnik does not dispute... is that he received his training from the Rand Corporation."

The likely involvement of the Rand Corp in Gladio becomes clearer as you scan through related info. Various Rand Corp publications, old and new, seem designed to serve as useful propaganda. John Arquilla, a professor of defence analysis at the Naval Postgrad School in Monterey, California, and a Rand terrorism consultant', published a 1999 monograph entitled Countering the New Terrorism'…

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR989.html

At the time of publication, Arquilla clearly smelt something in the wind. According to the Rand site, Arquilla's book "Traces the recent evolution of international terrorism against civilian and U.S. military targets, looks ahead to where terrorism is going, and assesses how it might be contained", while noting that "…changes in the sources and nature of terrorism may affect the use of unconventional terror. The authors propose counterterrorism strategies that address the growing problem of homeland defence." In plain English, these newly evolved international terrorist groups' located by Rand expert Arquilla are considered likely to undertake unconventional' attacks against civilian and military targets inside the homeland' in the near future. When those attacks finally took place in 2001, Arquilla responded with the following:

"When conventional military operations and bombing failed to defeat the Mau Mau insurgency in Kenya in the 1950's, the British formed teams of friendly Kikuyu tribesmen who went about pretending to be terrorists. These pseudo gangs', as they were called, swiftly threw the Mau Mau on the defensive, either by befriending and then ambushing bands of fighters or by guiding bombers to the terrorists' camps."

Arquilla suggests that western intelligence should copy the tactic to help defeat contemporaneous terror networks. "What worked in Kenya a half-century ago has a wonderful chance of undermining trust and recruitment among today's terror networks. Forming new pseudo gangs should not be difficult." Making reference to John Walker Lindh, Arquilla notes, "If a confused young man from Marin County can join up with Al Qaeda, think what professional operatives might do". As with the PNAC document, you have to wonder at times who the intended readership of these documents really were, and whether they were intended to be taken as a green light rather than simple academic observations.

The above seems more telling to me in light of the following. In 1972, the Rand Corporation harnessed their respective think tanks and academic personnel to initiate the 'RAND Database of Worldwide Terrorism Incidents'. From the following page -

http://www.rand.org/nsrd/projects/terrorism-incidents.html

"For 40 years, the RAND Corporation has been at the forefront of terrorism and counter-terrorism studies. In support of this work, RAND has developed and maintained a database of terrorism incidents stretching back to 1972, which is widely regarded as the gold standard for comprehensive information on international and domestic terrorism. Over the years, many public and private sponsors have contributed to the maintenance of the RAND Database of Worldwide Terrorism Incidents (RDWTI) and its predecessors, the RAND Terrorism Chronology and the RAND-MIPT Terrorism Incident Database."

Unsurprisingly, the database doesn't mention Gladio. The Rand chronology dates the beginning of their database to just when the Gladio attacks were running full steam (circa the Peteano Massacre) and a 'crucial' meeting (according to General Geraldo Serravalle, noted in a Guardian quote on the Gladio page at Wikipedia) took place regarding future Gladio strategy. Immediately after this, Donald Rumsfeld left the US for Belgium to serve as the US Ambassador to NATO in February 1973, placing him geographically and strategically in concert with the Gladio actions. Rumsfeld was later the Rand Corporation's Chairman of the Board from 1981 - 1986, then again from 1995 - 1996, overseeing the organization that, through their lauded database and publications like Arquilla's, helped construct the mainstream narrative regarding the sources and exponents of terrorist attacks against the west. (There seem to be various links between the Bush administration and Rand Corp. Steve Rosen, member of the Bush/Rice National Security Council [and later indicted for conspiracy under the Espionage Act] was a predecessor of Rumsfelds at Rand Corp from 1978 to 1982.). Rumsfeld would initiate the P2OG group and set it to follow the counter-gang strategy as outlined by Arquilla. Rumsfeld also oversaw the deletion of 2.5 Terabytes of data pertaining to Able Danger, an operation suggestive of counter-gangs and double-agents operative within the disparate collection of hijackers' that were carefully tracked and shielded from investigation prior to 9/11. I personally suspect the Rand terrorism database detailed above (an exercise in controlling the narrative that apparently stretches across four decades) was initiated at the time that it was for less than benevolent reasons, by people that foresaw how it would be a useful method in the future of framing and controlling the debate regarding terror attacks such as those overseen by de Grossouvre, Melnik and decades later, if not also in the early 70's - Rumsfeld.

[Phil Dragoo]

Robert E. Webster was associated with Rand Corporation, with the very shadowy Marina and the operation to remove the impediment to government by shadow state.

DeGaulle might have pardoned the mastermind of the assassination attempt, but secrets of Vieil État-Major might have surfaced and like Oswald and McVeigh, Jean Bastien Thiry was martyred.

DeGaulle may count his additional years as benefits he was not targeted by Dulles' production crew.

Greer didn't hot dog on run-flat tires.

[Albert Doyle]

Piper doesn not even delve into how Homer would have any knowledge of these "JEWS" he concludes is Lansky

David has a bad habit of entering lengthy material that doesn't really say anything. From his first post he has been answering his own arguments not mine. I find that annoyingly dishonest. What any person who was honestly seeking the truth in this matter would ask is how did Echevarria know they were jews? David is asking the same question but in an evasive manner. For people seeking the truth they would ask who were those jews and how did they find out about Echevarria? As to the funding you can see Israeli interest would be well-possible through that Dalitz/Lansky-controlled underworld funding. So, Piper's theory still stands after David's entry. David, once again enters material that doesn't really answer any of the relevant questions or make any relevant point. So we are back to my original question that David still hasn't answered. The point being that any "new jew backers" who could penetrate that far in to Dallas would have to had come in contact with some of the main deep players. You see if Dallas was sponsored by others you have a problem because they wouldn't have let some jewish freelancers walk in and possibly disrupt their assassination plot. David doesn't answer this. So one way or another these backers would be under the knowledge and control of the main plotters. After reading yet another lengthy blustery entry from David we see none of these points was ever answered. Once again, Piper's theory is still well alive. David never stops to consider that it is Echevarria's very remoteness from knowledge of who those people were and how deeply dangerous they were that led him to speak so freely about them. FBI reacted as you would expect them to do. They promptly covered it up and buried it.

The simple answer to the Permindex/Gladio thread hijack is that Tibor Rosenbaum's bank was the main funding source for Israeli covert interests. He even has a bronze plaque in Israel praising him for that. Again, Piper is still well alive despite the crude attempts to ignore this and muscle the discussion over to Gladio. These people are trying to say the main interest of Banc De Credit Internacional was Galdio despite it being run by ardent zionist and bronze plaque recipient Rosenbaum and supplied by ardent zionist and main US syndicate treasurer Meyer Lansky.

[Greg Burnham]

Piper doesn not even delve into how Homer would have any knowledge of these "JEWS" he concludes is Lansky

David has a bad habit of entering lengthy material that doesn't really say anything. From his first post he has been answering his own arguments not mine. I find that annoyingly dishonest. What any person who was honestly seeking the truth in this matter would ask is how did Echevarria know they were jews? David is asking the same question but in an evasive manner. For people seeking the truth they would ask who were those jews and how did they find out about Echevarria? As to the funding you can see Israeli interest would be well-possible through that Dalitz/Lansky-controlled underworld funding. So, Piper's theory still stands after David's entry. David, once again enters material that doesn't really answer any of the relevant questions or make any relevant point. So we are back to my original question that David still hasn't answered. The point being that any "new jew backers" who could penetrate that far in to Dallas would have to had come in contact with some of the main deep players. You see if Dallas was sponsored by others you have a problem because they wouldn't have let some jewish freelancers walk in and possibly disrupt their assassination plot. David doesn't answer this. So one way or another these backers would be under the knowledge and control of the main plotters. After reading yet another lengthy blustery entry from David we see none of these points was ever answered. Once again, Piper's theory is still well alive. David never stops to consider that it is Echevarria's very remoteness from knowledge of who those people were and how deeply dangerous they were that led him to speak so freely about them. FBI reacted as you would expect them to do. They promptly covered it up and buried it.

The simple answer to the Permindex/Gladio thread hijack is that Tibor Rosenbaum's bank was the main funding source for Israeli covert interests. He even has a bronze plaque in Israel praising him for that. Again, Piper is still well alive despite the crude attempts to ignore this and muscle the discussion over to Gladio. These people are trying to say the main interest of Banc De Credit Internacional was Galdio despite it being run by ardent zionist and bronze plaque recipient Rosenbaum and supplied by ardent zionist and main US syndicate treasurer Meyer Lansky.

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Albert(s) Doyle is committing the fallacy of insufficient statistics...again.


He draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample of insufficient size.

1. Sample "a", in this case a handful of Jews--which is very small--is taken from the population of "b" Israel--which is very large by comparison to the sample.
   
2. Conclusion "f" is then reached about population "b" based on sample "a".
   

Such "reasoning" is an abuse of Inductive Generalization and Statistical Generalization:

1. Y% of all observed A's are B''s.
   
2. Therefore Y% of all A's are Bs.
   

Since an insufficient number of A's were observed to warrant the conclusion it is fallacious. From what I have read it clearly appears that not enough Jews (Israeli's) have been observed for this reasoning to be sound.

[David Josephs]

Albert - You've been asked numerous times...

If you don't like what I post from Piper... post what YOU THINK represents your POV as supported by Piper...
YOU'RE the one who keeps saying we haven't read the book and don't know the material well enough - but YOU DO.

POST SOMETHING from the book Albert...

Simple.

Piper doesn not even delve into how Homer would have any knowledge of these "JEWS" he concludes is Lansky

David has a bad habit of entering lengthy material that doesn't really say anything. From his first post he has been answering his own arguments not mine. I find that annoyingly dishonest. What any person who was honestly seeking the truth in this matter would ask is how did Echevarria know they were jews? David is asking the same question but in an evasive manner. For people seeking the truth they would ask who were those jews and how did they find out about Echevarria? As to the funding you can see Israeli interest would be well-possible through that Dalitz/Lansky-controlled underworld funding. So, Piper's theory still stands after David's entry. David, once again enters material that doesn't really answer any of the relevant questions or make any relevant point. So we are back to my original question that David still hasn't answered. The point being that any "new jew backers" who could penetrate that far in to Dallas would have to had come in contact with some of the main deep players. You see if Dallas was sponsored by others you have a problem because they wouldn't have let some jewish freelancers walk in and possibly disrupt their assassination plot. David doesn't answer this. So one way or another these backers would be under the knowledge and control of the main plotters. After reading yet another lengthy blustery entry from David we see none of these points was ever answered. Once again, Piper's theory is still well alive. David never stops to consider that it is Echevarria's very remoteness from knowledge of who those people were and how deeply dangerous they were that led him to speak so freely about them. FBI reacted as you would expect them to do. They promptly covered it up and buried it.

The simple answer to the Permindex/Gladio thread hijack is that Tibor Rosenbaum's bank was the main funding source for Israeli covert interests. He even has a bronze plaque in Israel praising him for that. Again, Piper is still well alive despite the crude attempts to ignore this and muscle the discussion over to Gladio. These people are trying to say the main interest of Banc De Credit Internacional was Galdio despite it being run by ardent zionist and bronze plaque recipient Rosenbaum and supplied by ardent zionist and main US syndicate treasurer Meyer Lansky.

[Mark Stapleton]

You are unworthy of being taken seriously.

Back to the short tank with you.

You just can't answer the question.

[Mark Stapleton]

So we are back to my original question that David still hasn't answered. The point being that any "new jew backers" who could penetrate that far in to Dallas would have to had come in contact with some of the main deep players. You see if Dallas was sponsored by others you have a problem because they wouldn't have let some jewish freelancers walk in and possibly disrupt their assassination plot.

That's a fair point.

And there's Ruby. This lifelong Zionist loose cannon would never have been entrusted to perform such an important task by non-Zionist plotters.

Although some people prefer to turn logic on its head and claim Ruby's involvement vindicates Israel.

[David Josephs]

How many IF's and WOULD HAVE's can you fit into a sentence and still claim it to be FACTUAL?

How many ASSupmtions can a single statement have?

Who would HOMER KNOW TO REFER TO, when speaking to MOSLEY about arms for a CUBAN invasion...??
If Ruby - who was helping to move guns to cuba - was the MONEY MAN... ain't he a NEW JEW BACKER?
Maybe HOMER knew of David Rockefeller's involvement? Knowing history he KNEW this was his NEW JEWISH BACKERS
Maby MOSELY was an ANTI-SEMITE and threw that in to throw off the scent from the real perpetrators...

Bottom line - Neither you, nor Albert nor Piper make a convincing case in support of his thesis a
while every bit of historical documentation DISPROVES Piper.

But I guess if you can continue to post these types of statements and call them CONCLUSIONS BASED IN FACT... y'all could throw any shite against the wall and call it art.


The point being that any "new jew backers" who could penetrate that far in to Dallas would have to had come in contact with some of the main deep players. You see if Dallas was sponsored by others you have a problem because they wouldn't have let some jewish freelancers walk in and possibly disrupt their assassination plot

[Jan Klimkowski]

Anthony - excellent sleuthing in your post #624.

Here's Adam Curtis' 1992 film essay on Rand, from Pandora's Box, entitled To The Brink of Eternity.



Madmen posing as pure rationalists, arrogantly planning for mass depopulation through tit for tat nuclear war.

Finding the facts didn't fit their models, so falsifying the data to ensure the models provide the desired solutions.

If the threat is no threat, but your model of control needs a threat?

If your model Lusts after Terror. Is Driven by Fear.

Then imagine the Strategy of Tension as compartmentalised modus operandi.