Another mass shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin....details fuzzy

[Ed Jewett]

FBI Informant Was Paid $40,000 By FBI To Spy On Hate Group American Front Now Deposed By Defense

Submitted by News Desk 2 on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 17:59




Orlando, Fla. -
The Defense attorney for Mark and Jennifer McGowan had a chance to depose an FBI confidential informant today in a case launched by the FBI when they arrested 10 members of a racist group in St Cloud, Florida called American Front and implicated them in a "race war" and terrorist activities.
Sam Edwards, defense attorney for the McGowans, questions the informant who said under oath that as for the McGowans, all they had done was bbq, shoot guns and make negative remarks about minorities. Edwards said of those activities "that is not illegal" and that the FBI was "hyper" vigilant in a world after the events of 9/11.
Edwards noted that the couple were devoted parents and that Jennifer McGowan was a court reporter. "This is still America and what you believe in as far as prejudices, at least for now, is not illegal," Edwards added.
Making the case against the McGowans more questionable are reports out that show the confidential informant was paid $40,000 by the FBI and that he himself has a criminal background.
Edwards went on to say that his clients are not terrorist and that they have their own belief system, which is not illegal and that his clients never participated in any acts or planning that the racist group called American Front is accused of.
The FBI has previously said the group planning to blow up Orlando City Hall, and other government buildings around Central Florida.

Image from TFNJ's previous article about the arrests in May 2012

http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com/201...ed-defense

[Jan Klimkowski]

So, the Fort Bliss psyops graduate gravitates towards the white supremacist and "hate rock" scene.

Is this American History X?

Or Carol Howe all over again?

"Hammerskins Forever, Forever Hammerskins."

Or:

"Agent Provocateurs, Elohim City Redux."

Redux wins.

[Ed Jewett]

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August 7-8, 2012 -- Psy-war veteran Wade Page and CNN

The dead suspected gunman who opened fire inside a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin served from April 1992 to October 1998 as a member of the psychological operations unit at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

CNN cited a "Pentagon source" claiming Page was discharged from the Army in 1998 for "patterns of misconduct." However, the U.S. Army only revealed that Page was awarded several medals, including including good conduct medals and a humanitarian service medal.

CNN cannot be trusted to report on the activities of any military member who served with the Fort Bragg psyop command during the time frame 1992 to 1998 because a number of Fort Bragg psyop personnel, assigned to what was then known as the 4th Psychological Operations Group, worked as interns at CNN headquarters in Atlanta during this time period. CNN attempted, unsuccessfully, to cover up its relationship with the Army command responsible for disseminating propaganda and disinformation. The Army psyop interns were attached to the Third Psychological Operations Battalion, part of the 4th Psychological Operations Group.

This editor first broke the CNN-Fort Bragg psyop link on February 17, 2000, in the Paris-basedIntelligence Online, for which I served as U.S. correspondent. At a Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict (SOLIC) symposium in Arlington, Virginia, the 4th Psyop Group's Col. Christoper St. John admitted that his unit's personnel worked at CNN in Atlanta. St. John said Fort Bragg psyop personnel assisted CNN in producing news stories that were aired by the network. He also called for similar cooperation between the Pentagon and other major news operations.

It was clear that the CNN-Fort Bragg relationship had reached its crescendo during U.S. military operations in the Balkans, the same time period that Page was assigned to the Fort Bragg psyop unit. An Army spokesman later stated, "Conceivably, they [the psyop interns] would have worked on stories during the Kosovo war. They helped in the production of news."

Eason Jordan, CNN's president for international news, angrily reacted to the news that Army psyop personnel were working inside CNN but he later admitted to the presence of at least five in the radio, television, and satellite divisions of the network.

TV Guide later reported that Fort Bragg psyop interns were also working at National Public Radio in Washington, DC.

The Fort Bragg psyop unit worked closely with the International Military Information Group set up by the Pentagon at the State Department. IMIG worked with the Voice of America on propaganda dissemination known as " influence operations." The State Department group, with support from the CIA, specialized in planting fake stories and videos in foreign news operations. However, considering the psyop links to CNN and NPR, such fraudulent stories and videos may have made their way into domestic U.S. reporting, as well.

Fort Bragg's 4[SUP]th[/SUP] PSYOPS Group's multi-million dollar Special Operations Forces Media Operations Complex was called "CNN Central" by its operatives who broadcast and printed propaganda for a number of audiences abroad. In a deal with DC Comics, Fort Bragg's "CNN Central" published propaganda comic books featuring such superheros as Superman, Wonder Woman, and the character that appears to have set off suspected Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooter and U.S. government neuroscience research grantee James Holmes, Batman.

CNN appears very anxious to trash Page's Army psyop background with unsubstantiated claims of his being drunk on duty and absent without leave, eventually resulting in a general discharge from the military, none of which has been confirmed by official U.S. Army statements. CNN may be more worried about it being discovered that Page may have once worked at CNN headquarters in Atlanta altering news reports from Kosovo to fit Pentagon propaganda requirements. CNN would find it much safer to cozy up to its friends at the Southern Poverty Law Center and keep the focus on Page's neo-Nazi activities.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20120807

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[Ed Jewett]

Sikh Temple Massacre: CNN Cites David Gletty, the SPLC, and the ADL in ONE Article

Posted on August 7, 2012 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: In an interview, David Gletty admits to watching "young girls" get raped (gang raped?), people being murdered, and taking illicit drugs while doing nothing to stop any of it while he was working as an informant for the FBI. He claims he allowed all of this to take place because his "mission" would have been jeopardized had he whipped out his gun and done something to stop it. Then he remarkably states that they only moved on the gang once they were talking about taking down drug dealers in the area. He claimed the FBI told him "OK, before any public gets hurt, let's go ahead and throw down on them."
Really? What about the raped "young girls" and other murdered people? Are they not the public?
He then goes on to admit that he was living with his mother during his entire stint as an FBI informant infiltrating the Nazis. His mother?

Talk about propaganda…
CNN has a new article in which they make the claim that there are more than a thousand hate groups active in the United States which have the potential to conduct the next Sikh temple massacre. In order to prove this, CNN relies on three main sources:

1. a guy who was a fake skin-head turned "investigator" for the FBI- David Gletty
   
2. a "not-for-profit" organization run by one of the most racist hatemongers in America (and whose funding depends on there being a large group of racist hatemongers in America) SPLC
   
3. and an organization that has been determined to be pursuing "Nazi gun control laws in America" by the gun rights group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) ADL
   

Let's just overlook for a moment the obvious financial conflicts of interest organizations like the ADL and the SPLC have in any discussion on this subject, and for that matter the "investigator" who also stands to increase his revenue stream as well.
And let's also forget the SPLC's last "victory" against "racist hate groups", the Hutaree 9 militia group. Remember what happened to them? They got set up and entrapped by the JTTF and the FBI. Holder came out saying of the case against them it was…

"an insidious plan by anti-government extremists." … and we have dealt "a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States" Eric Holder on the Hutaree militia

Guess what? Turns out after a year in custody, these guys were let off… the entire case thrown out of court because the judge thought it was bullshit, that they hadn't planned to attack anyone, let alone police officers…

"Members of a Christian militia accused of plotting an antigovernment uprising were acquitted on sedition and conspiracy charges on Tuesday by a federal judge who said prosecutors had failed to prove that the group had concrete plans to attack anyone." New York Times

Key to this frame up job was yet another FBI "informant" whose testimony about what they supposedly said, appears to have just pure fabrication. That lying undercover informant's name was Thomas Piatek.
Fast forward to CNN's article on the "1000″ active hate groups in America….

"I know they're out there. I try not to alarm the public too much, but it's something that really needs to be taken a hold of now because more and more we see facts coming out that this is happening more often and more often, and it's not going to stop anytime soon," said David Gletty, who worked as an undercover informant on extremist groups for the FBI. CNN

David Gletty is a self-described FBI snitch who infiltrated a scraggly band of neo-Nazis in Orlando a while ago. He helped organize a march or two and ranted and lied about various things he did in his past. Watch this video which shows Gletty in his "prime" back then and tell me if you believe a word he said. Watching the other "speakers" one wonders if the ENTIRE group wasn't FBI informants sitting around an echo-chamber like the fake "truthers" do at various fake truth movement websites (yes, that is you Jon Gold).

"As I was coming out of the store paying for gas, two niggers tried robbing me with broken bottles, they couldn't afford knives or whatever…" David Gletty

What Gletty was most famous for was setting up marches in and around predominantly black neighborhoods in order to foster racial tensions where previously there had been next to none. Look at these photos. The first you can see Gletty walking behind the guys on the left who are holding a Nazi flag. In the second, you can see Gletty preparing a group of "nazis" for another march. Notice something about the men in the second photo? Do they ALL look like they are fresh out of the military on their first psyop assignment?


It's interesting and not unsurprising to note that local politicians railed against the notion that the feds would come in and put on this "Nazi march" show in their communities especially when you consider the majority of the "nazi" participants seemed to be on the government payroll.
Of course, the ADL took a different view of it…

Others applauded the FBI's infiltration of the neo-Nazis."It's one of the largest extremist groups in the country, and Gletty was one of the most visible individuals in the National Socialist Movement," said Andy Rosenkranz, state regional director for the Anti-Defamation League. "Generally, the FBI and the JTTF (Joint Terrorism Task Force) in Florida does an excellent job." Jones Report

Gletty was proud of his "work" infiltrating the groups back then, he says. But soon enough his acting skills left him exposed and he had to quit pretending to be racist and staging fake marches in order to create the illusion of a growing menace to society.He then took on a different role, that of roving FBI "investigator" of various militia groups in the rural areas of America. Below is a video of David Gletty proudly boasting of all his good work running around and getting videos of American citizens out in the woods camping or hiking or just hanging out on their porches.He claims they are all dangerous militia groups plotting to overthrow the government. Personally I just see some hikers and friends hanging out in nature. I guess you see what you want to see, huh David?Gletty talks about how he broke into some of their vehicles while they were camping and how he bugged them and reported their license plates so they could be traced later by the feds.

Then in a remarkable statement of total hypocrisy, he chastised the racists for wishing to violate people's civil liberties in America as if what he was doing wasn't just that.
You really have to see this idiot's video to believe it. It reminds me of what was happening in Afghanistan when the Bush regime put out a bounty on Taliban supporters and everyone and their mother were snatching people off the street and selling them to the Americans for cash. Because that is what Gletty was doing: creating boogeymen where there were none for financial gain.

"If you think the work that I did was distasteful, then you are not a true American and I call you out…. what have you done for America except bitch. If all you are doing is bitch, then you are not causing anything great to happen" David Gletty

embedded video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkBPY6vYi...r_embedded

David Gletty would be laughable if he wasn't so completely sociopathic and featured on CNN. The guy is a treasure trove of misplaced hostility and inferiority complexes. And he's armed and apparently has friends in high places like the FBI, the JTTF, the SPLC, the ADL, and of course the MSM.
In that video, this guy, featured in a CNN article as an "expert", admits to breaking into people's vehicles without a warrant, just to "see what they have in there"
That's against the law folks. That's called breaking and entering.
He then claims a group of three guys who are obviously just campers, are militia suspects and he is going to "question them without them knowing it" I guess that means he's going to use his super sleuth powers of infiltration to get them to talk. Well, apparently that failed pretty quickly because he claims they "got suspicious" so he reported them to the local police for not buying into his bullshit racist rant. He claims that the cops, because of what he reports to them, will "pick them up from there. We did out part"
He then finds some kids out in the woods and of course, they're what he called "tree huggers" or "eco-terrorists". He called them in too I suppose…
And you wonder how the terrorist watch list in America got so long? I wonder if he gets paid by the day or by the snitch he simply makes up out of thin air.
Are you fucking kidding me?
And remember, this is the guy supported by the ADL and featured in a CNN article about what happened at the Sikh Temple.
You gotta watch the video. His "training" exercise at the end of the video is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while.
I guess there's a lot of money to be made in setting up and demonizing U.S. citizens these days.
So there you have it: CNN citing a group that fucked up horribly on the Hutaree militia frame-up, a group that supports Nazi disarmament legislature, and a guy who staged fake neo-Nazi rallies in black communities to cause racial tension in Florida and who regularly commits serious felonies in order to justify his government paycheck.
That's "news" in this day and age.

[Peter Lemkin]

From the post above:

David Gletty admits to watching "young girls" get raped (gang raped?), people being murdered, and taking illicit drugs while doing nothing to stop any of it while he was working as an informant for the FBI. He claims he allowed all of this to take place because his "mission" would have been jeopardized had he whipped out his gun and done something to stop it.

I'm SOOOO glad the FBI is always there protecting the Public from something....

[Peter Lemkin]

AMY GOODMAN: While many people were shocked by Sunday's massacre at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin, our next guest warned years ago about the resurgence of right-wing violence. Daryl Johnson, former analyst for the Department of Homeland Security, called attention to the threat of far right extremist groups back in 2009 and sparked a political firestorm in the process. He was the principal author of a report called, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." The report noted that the election of the first African-American president, combined with recession-year economic anxieties, could fuel a rise in far-right violence. It went on to say right wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities. Johnson drew his conclusion on his 15 years of experience studying domestic terrorist groups particularly white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. The report set off a maelstrom of discontent among conservatives. The media watch group, Media Matters, produced a video featuring the numerous TV personalities who slammed the report, including CNN's Lou Dobbs, conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, Fox New's Sean Hannity, Fox News national political commentator Andrea Tantaros and Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin. This is a clip:

COMMENTATOR: A new report from Homeland Security suggests the bad economy may drive people to right-wing extremist groups.

COMMENTATOR: Right-wing extremists groups, Neo-Nazis, skinheads, The National Alliance, racist groups, anti-Semitic groups.

COMMENTATOR: Gathering information on right-wing extremist activity in the United States. Does that mean they are going to be sending spies to these Tea Parties?

COMMENTATOR: There are no Timothy McVeighs out there right now.

MICHELE MALKIN: If they are going to issue these reports for this made-up threat.

RUSH LIMBAUGH: Portraying standard, ordinary, everyday conservatives as posing a bigger threat to this country than Al Qaeda terrorists, naming veteran's groups as possible extremist groups.

AMY GOODMAN: Under intense pressure from the talk show hosts and from Republican lawmakers, the Department of Homeland Security ultimately repudiated Daryl Johnson's paper and in June 2009, the Washington Post reported the DHS cut the number of personnel studying domestic terrorism unrelated to Islam and canceled numerous state and local law enforcement briefings. The DHS reportedly also held up dissemination of nearly a dozen reports on extremist groups. For more, we go to Washington, DC, where we are joined by Daryl Johnson, the former Department of Homeland Security Senior Analyst who has written the book, "Right Wing Resurgence: How a Domestic Terrorist Threat is Being Ignored." It will be published next month. Now owns and founded DT Analytics, a privacy consultancy firm.

DARYL JOHNSON: Daryl Johnson, welcome to Democracy Now! So tell us what happened, what you were finding, what this report was and what happened to it.

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, thank you, Amy, for having me on your show. Basically, the genesis of the report started as early as January 2007 when I received a phone call from the U.S. Capitol Police saying that a young senator from Illinois, who is African-American, was considering running for president. They basically wanted to know if we had seen any extremist chatter that was threatening in nature towards Barack Obama. We did a quick search of the internet sites. We did not find any threats, and so we pretty much closed that request out. But, in the ensuing months, I sat down with my analysts and we postulated, "What if an African-American senator got elected to be president. What would that do to extremism here in the United States?" So, we basically put this question out, we brainstormed it, and came to the conclusion that it would be a recruitment boon for these groups. Coupled with the ailing economy that we are experiencing, a lot of people on unemployment would basically be ripe for recruitment by these types of groups.

AMY GOODMAN: And you were working in the Department of Homeland Security under, at the time, under President Bush. Is that right?

DARYL JOHNSON: Yes, I arrived there in August of 2004.

AMY GOODMAN: And so you write up this report and talk about your key findings were and then the response to it.

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, basically we put together over a period of over a year, collected a massive amount of data that actually filled an entire box of open source information we had gathered off the internet, law enforcement information, FBI information that had come in; and we started drafting a report and right around the time Janet Napolitano was sworn in as the new Secretary of Homeland Security we started receiving questions from Secretary Napolitano and she wanted to know what was an extremist, what are they doing, what groups were out there that we were concerned about. We answered those questions and then she came back with more questions. She wanted to know if we were seeing a rise in right wing extremism and whether it was a result of the election of an African-American president and what we are going to do about it. And so, basically, through this questioning period we decided that, not only was the paper that was originally designed to be sent to law enforcement, could also serve as an answer to the secretary's questions.

AMY GOODMAN: What were the critical findings?

DARYL JOHNSON: Basically, that we were seeing a resurgence. We had experienced very early on, right after the election, we saw arson activity at black churches, we had a bombing out in the Pacific northwest where some police officers were killed that were carried out by anti-government extremists. We had a neo-Nazi up in Massachusetts that went on a shooting spree, and we saw a lot of extremist chatter talking about how they were fearful of an African-American president and possible gun confiscations, gun bans and the immigration issue was still being unresolved. So all these things kind of came together into the perfect storm which we saw very clearly and put out very clearly what our findings were.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you find about white supremacy in the military?

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, it's interesting that you ask that question. I actually was a counter terrorism analyst in the US Army from 1991 to 1999, so I was in working for the Army as a counter terrorism analyst at the time that this gentleman up in Wisconsin was enlisted. I actually have an entire chapter in my book devoted on my observations on extremism activity in the military, but just basically, briefly, the one thing that I found is that this is a very small percentage; but since we have such a large military, that small percentage could actually equal hundreds if not a few thousand people. It only takes one person like Timothy McVeigh, with the skills that he learned in the military and the mindset and training he received, to carry out a massive bombing or to kill people.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain for people who don't remember, I'm sure everyone knows the reference to April 19, 1995, and the bombing of the Oklahoma City building that killed more than 168 people and critically wounded and wounded hundreds of others, what McVeigh's ties were to white supremacy, having also just come out of the military.

DARYL JOHNSON: I don't know if Timothy McVeigh necessarily had white supremacist beliefs, but he definitely had anti-government beliefs and what I think the FBI's investigation determined was that he affiliated with the militia extremists up in Michigan and other places. He went around the country talking to these individuals, but he was never a full fledged member, never joined a militia extremist group and never really participated in their paramilitary training activities. But he subscribed to their belief system.

AMY GOODMAN: Back in 2009 a handful of Republicans in the House called for Janet Napolitano to step down as head of the Department of Homeland Security in the wake of your memo that warned of right-wing political extremism in the United States. House Majority Leader, John Boehner, said the report focused on "[A]bout two-thirds of Americans who might go to church, who may have served in the military, who may be involved in community activities... I just don't understand how our government can look at the American people and say, 'You're all potential terrorist threats.'" Those were Boehner's comments. Daryl Johnson, your response.

DARYL JOHNSON: That is a gross misrepresentation of what was said in the report. Basically, I think what Boehner is alluding to is a very broad, vague definition that was in the footnote of one of the pages. Basically, the definition was written very broadly so it could encompass the wide range of extremist groups we were talking about which were primarily the white supremacist movement which has neo-Nazi groups, Ku Klux Klan groups, Christian Identity groups which is a racist religion that thinks whites are the true Israelites. We have skinhead groups. We have other types of white supremacists. It also was alluding to sovereign citizens, those that reject federal and state authority in favor of local authority. It was also talking about the militia extremists. So, basically, some of the conservative radio talk show hosts took this definition out of context, and without the scope of talking about violent extremism and terrorism which was stated upfront in the scope note, and took this definition out of context and applied it to a broad range of people. I think it was done deliberately as a political maneuver to use against the new administration.

AMY GOODMAN: How did your report get picked up? How did it get disseminated in the media? What was the trajectory it took?

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, basically an anonymous person sent the report out. Obviously they didn't agree with its findings, and sent it out to Roger Hedgecock out in southern California who is kind of a conservative radio shock jock who really banters the immigration issue a lot. He is credited with disclosing publicly this report which was not meant for public distribution.

AMY GOODMAN: And so what happened to you, Daryl Johnson, and your unit within the Department of Homeland Security that was looking at domestic terror threats and particularly at white supremacy and neo-Nazi groups?

DARYL JOHNSON: What happened was quite shocking actually. I never anticipated that the Department of Homeland Security, my employer, would actually clamp down on the unit and stop all of the valuable work we were doing. Leading up to this report, and I will talk about this at length in my book, my team was doing a lot of good things throughout the country. We received numerous accolades from law enforcement, intelligence officials, talking about the great work we were doing in the fight against domestic terrorism. Then in lieu of the political backlash, the department decided to not only stop all of our work, stop all of the training and briefings that we were scheduled to give; but they also disbanded the unit, reassigned us to other areas within the office and then made life increasingly difficult for us. Not only did they stop the work that we were doing, but they also tried to blame us for some of the attacks that were occurring.

AMY GOODMAN: And so you lost your job.

DARYL JOHNSON: I didn't lose my job. They just made it a very difficult environment for me to continue working there so I, on my own recognizance, sought employment elsewhere and started my own consulting company.

AMY GOODMAN: I'm looking at a quick piece from Wired which says, "Since Johnson released his ill-fated report, the Witchita, Kansas, abortion doctor, George Teller, was assinated. A security guard was killed when a gunman with neo-Nazi ties went on a shooting spree at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, the FBI arrested members of a Florida neo-Nazi outfit tied to drug dealing and motorcycle gangs, a man was charged with attempting to detonate a weapon of mass destruction at a Spokane, Washington, march commemorating Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday and several mosques around the country have been vandalized or attacked, including a Missouri mosque that burned to the ground on Monday, which had been attacked before. Were you surprised by the attack on the Sikh temple and all that has taken place since?

DARYL JOHNSON: Unfortunately, Amy, I was not shocked. In fact, I was sitting in my living room with my wife and immediately when I saw the news coverage, I turned to her and said that this was likely a hate motivated crime against Sikhs perpetrated by a white supremacist who may have had military background.

AMY GOODMAN: It is interesting also that President Obama spoke yesterday in Denver with Sandra Fluke who introduced him, the Georgetown University law student who was speaking out for contraception and was targeted by Rush Limbaugh and others, and was talking about women's health and women's rights in this country. The neo-Nazi movement, along with the anti-choice movement, do you see links? I'm talking about the extremist wing.

DARYL JOHNSON: There's definitely links between white supremacists and the anti-abortion issue. That is one of the causes that they rally around and use as a recruitment tool to bring people into the movement. I wouldn't necessarily say it is strictly neo-Nazi. It could be, also, the Christian Identity Movement, it could be skinheads, it could the Ku Klux Klan.
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AMY GOODMAN: We are talking about the killings of the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Our guest is Pete Simi. He is a University of Nebraska at Omaha criminology professor, co-author with Robert Futrell of the book, "American Swastika: Inside the White Power Movement's Hidden Spaces of [Hate]," Joining us from Omaha, Nebraska. We're also joined by journalist Matt Kennard, author of the forthcoming book, "Irregular Army: How the U.S. Military Recruited neo-Nazis, Gang Members, and Criminals to Fight the War on Terror." Matt is joining us from Mexico City. Matt, you have been following white supremacists in the military for some time. Can you talk about the reaction to the killings in Wisconsin, and the more you hear about the profile of Wade Michael Page?

MATT KENNARD: Well, the interesting thing about Page is, you quoted that "Stars and Stripes" article which said he was completely open about his white supremacist and neo-Nazi inclinations in the 1990's. It's important to remember that during the 1990s, this was a period after the Burmeister trauma which you mentioned, and also the bombings in Oklahoma which were carried out by Timothy McVeigh, another veteran of the First Gulf War, who was decorated with a bronze star as well. So, military in the mid-1990s was embarrassed by the fact these first the active-duty veteran had committed murder; indiscriminate murder. The narrative is that they were cracking down at this point. Now, Page's example shows this was not really the case. What is [Unintelligible] is that during the War on Terror, even the thin regulations that did exist were completely jettisoned. I spent two or three years talking to veterans, extremist veterans, much like page, and far right leaders, who basically said that there was an open-door policy during the war on terror. You could enter with swastikas tattooed on you, with S.S. boats, with, basically, basically the military couldn't slow down because the had two occupations to populate and not enough soldiers.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to ask you about the military's regulation of enlisted neo-Nazis and white supremacists. You write about how the Army Command Policy describes the rules for commanders to enforce. It says, "Participations in extremist organizations and activities by Army personnel is inconsistent with the responsibilities of military service." Matt Kennard, can you talk about the Army's regulations?

MATT KENNARD: Well, the Army's regulations, and in fact the military the whole military, every branch has been ambiguous on purpose, so that at times of chronic troop needs, like the War on Terror, they can basically allow these people to stay in. The regulations are basically reactive. The U.S. military, after a tragedy like in Oak Creek or the Burmeister case, they are embarrassed by the media reaction and the public who basically ask, why is our taxpayers paying to arm and train these right-wing extremists? So, the Army is on the back foot, and then they say, we have tightened the regulation. But, in reality, there is nothing proactive about it. Even the regulations that are in place, which obviously are thin, were basically completely jettisoned during the War on Terror. The quote you used about right-wing extremism being inconsistent with military service I mean, it was completely consistent with military service during the War on Terror. In fact, I heard from extremist veterans themselves that their command would send them on the hardest missions because, obviously, neo-Nazis, and gang members as well which was a big problem, which is worth mentioning as well that they are seen more as war-like.

AMY GOODMAN: Talk more about this. White supremacists in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, and, unfortunately, as we have seen this past weekend, next to a Sikh temple.

MATT KENNARD: Well, that is a good point that hasn't been raised enough. What did it what did it mean for the occupied populations to have this army that was riven with white supremacists who saw the people they were occupying as subhuman, as well as violent gang members? Gangs is also a massive problem which we don't hear about as much about, because often the violence committed in the United States is inter-gang violence so it doesn't affect the public. There have been spates of murders between gangs involving veterans and active duty personnel. But, for the populations in Iraq and Afghanistan, we will never know what kind of atrocities were carried out Wisconsin-style. But, I'm sure they happened. I mean, there's a few clues as to what these soldiers were doing over there. One neo-Nazi veteran, called Kenneth Eastridge, is now serving a 10-year sentence for his part in a murder in Colorado Springs, and he was serving in Iraq with neo-Nazi S.S. boats tattooed on his arm.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to go to a brief clip of Wade Michael Page's stepmother, Laura page. She spoke to ABC News about how the military influenced her stepson.

LAURA PAGE: I don't know if the military was good for him. I don't know. My heart is broken for the people that were killed and their families. I can't imagine what would have gone through his mind for him to do something like this.

AMY GOODMAN: That's Laura Page, the stepmother of Wade Michael Page. Professor Simi, I wanted to bring you back into this discussion as to listen to Matt Kennard. Tattoos the reports from the Sikhs on the ground in Oak Creek at the temple say he was wearing a 9/11 tattoo. What about his tattoos and what were the messages in them?

PETE SIMI: On his left shoulder he had a tattoo that has the Number 14. That is a very prominent kind of code for what is called The 14 Words, which was penned by the, now deceased, right-wing terrorist by the name of David Lane who was active in the 1980's was part of a underground terrorist cell called The Silent Brotherhood. Lane penned this while in prison, The 14 Words, which is something to the effect of, securing the existence of our race and the future for white children. This is widely used throughout the movement. These people have had tattoos with 14, t-shirts with 14, they'll sign emails with 14. So, this was one of Page's tattoos. He had a German soldier tattoo on one of his calves and a Celtic cross, which is also a prominent symbol used by white supremacists as a tattoo as well as an insignia on other things; t-shirts and so forth. The more recent photos that I have seen of him, he was more heavily tattooed than during the years that I knew him. He was starting to get tattooed and he had several during the that years I knew him. But, this is a very common thing that, as a person develops a so-called resume in the movement, they mark their body with this. It's a way of showing their commitment. So, they tend to get more and more tattoos the longer your involved in these types of groups, to the point where some individuals are actually, what's called, sleeved, which is they have tattoos all the way down to their wrists. And in some, little bit more unusual cases, people will even get tattoos all over their faces, all over their heads as a way to show how committed they are to the white supremacy movement.

AMY GOODMAN: The man you're talking about, the neo-Nazi who wrote the 14 words, David Lane, together with Bruce Pierce, were convicted for their involvement in the killing of the Jewish talk show host Alan Berg.

PETE SIMI: Correct. That is a good example of the type of terrorism that has occurred among the white supremacy movement. All too often, when we think about terrorism, we don't necessarily associate it with right-wing extremists, especially since 9/11. Unfortunately, terrorism has almost become synonymous with violent, radical jihadis, and too often people ignored the incidents of terrorism that have occurred at the hands of white supremacists.

AMY GOODMAN: Matt Kennard, as you listen to Professor Simi who knew Page, the shooter, who then killed himself, according to authorities, on Sunday now, by the way, there is concern that the police officer who shot Page, though apparently didn't kill him, will be targeted by white supremacist groups, and there's questions, will he have to move out of town. His house is begin protected by police. But, Matt Kennard, as you listen to this and also listen to his stepmother talking about her concern about his time in the military, and also the fact that he was in, though not clear doing what, in Psy-Ops, in Psychological Operations at Fort Bragg and before that at Fort Bliss, your thoughts?

MATT KENNARD: I am sorry, I didn't hear the question.

AMY GOODMAN: The question of Page's involvement in Psychological Operations, if this is the case; these are the reports, at both Fort Bliss and then at Fort Bragg. And, Matt, is Fort Bragg a center of this white supremacist activity in the military?

MATT KENNARD: Yes, I mean, Fort Bragg was where Burmeister was based, it's where Page was based.

AMY GOODMAN: And again, Burmeister who killed the black couple in 1995.

MATT KENNARD: I mean, this is across the United States. Every base has its problem with white supremacists because they are allowed to operate freely. It's the natural reaction to a military brass which is just not concerned about this issue unless they're presented with a national scandal like the Oak Creek massacre. And, I mean, Page is not alone, this is what must be emphasized. During my investigations, I went down to Tampa, Florida, to interview a neo-Nazi veteran of Iraq, Forrest Fogarty. And his resume reads basically exactly the same as Page. He's the lead singer of a neo-Nazi rock band, he's a veteran, he's also a member of the Hammerskin Nation, which is the most violent skinhead group in the country, much like Page. And what he told me about his experience in Iraq was instructive. He said, basically, the command knew about my radicalism. Of course they knew, they can see my tattoos. Fogarty was also is also covered in tattoos. So, this is not a problem that's specific to certain bases, although Fort Bragg has a very serious problem. It's all over the United States. It was all over Iraq and it was all over Afghanistan.

A point that must be made, too, is gangs is another huge issue, especially at the bases along the border with Mexico, because they're involved in trafficking drugs, trafficking weapons, etc. And this is an issue, as well, which has got wide coverage. The Southern Poverty Law Center did important work in 2006 on this. Other groups have been doing it, active duty personnel. But, every time this issue has been raised, the U.S. military has targeted the person raising it. So, soldiers who have said, Look, my unit is riven with white supremacists or gang members, the military has demoted them, has kicked them out of the military. I mean I came across countless examples of that. So this is not something that the military missed by accident. This is something that the military has actively ignored and persecuted the people that are raising the issue. In fact, later on, I think you're going to have Daryl Johnson on who is the DHS analyst who authored the report about the threat of far right-wing extremism. He was targeted by the DHS as soon as that report came out and right-wing politicians for raising the issue.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to ask about the role of music before we go to Daryl Johnson. Very important to hear about the report, not just people in the military, but people in civilian life at the Department of Homeland Security who are prevented from getting this information out. But, I want to go to a clip of the former neo-Nazi Frank Meeink, speaking on Hardball with Chris Matthews, Tuesday, about the importance of music in the neo-Nazi movement.

FRANK MEEINK: Driving in a car with a bunch of skinheads, listening to music about kicking peoples heads in, finding people of other races to destroy, and you're sitting in a car with a bunch of your friends looking for victims. It really keeps the drum beating; it's time for action.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: So you think that music drives bad behavior, racist behavior, physically?

FRANK MEEINK: It physically helped us, and, also, the racist music is what keeps the movement young. If it wasn't for the music that keeps getting people into this, you know, you would have the old image of the Klan sitting on the porch with a shotgun. The music keeps the newcomers involved, it keeps them wanting to be part of this, it keeps them, again, wanting to portray what is going on in the music. The music is I can't express how much the music is to that movement.

AMY GOODMAN: That's Frank Meeink, a former neo-Nazi, speaking on Hardball with Chris Matthews. Professor Pete Simi, your response, how important was this music world to Wade Page?

PETE SIMI: At the time I knew him, as I mentioned before, that is why he relocated to Southern California. What he told me was that he met members of the first band that he was in, Young Land, at a music show in, it would have been around the summer of 2000 in Georgia, at one of these white power music events, and they really clicked, and that's what led him to relocate to Southern California and then ultimately become a member of their band. And what he told me was that changed his life. He said that once I met them, it changed my life. I instantly had a bunch of new bros, meaning, you know, brothers. And so, at the time I had met him, he felt like his involvement in the music scene really gave him a lot of purpose in terms of how he could be involved and how he could contribute to the larger white supremacist movement. And in fact, that's what the music scene does for a lot of folks. It provides a way for them to be involved in a larger movement, whether it's as musicians or as people who really enjoy the music and like going to the shows and can tap in to the movement through their involvement in the music scene. It's a powerful mechanism for, as Frank says, for really keeping the movement going.

AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Professor Simi, could you have seen anything like this, or predicted any kind of violent outburst like this? Were you concerned about this as you spoke to Wade Michael Page? Now they have arrested [his] girlfriend, who it turns out was a waitress in a restaurant, and a coffee shop, what, a block from the Sikh temple where Page gunned down six people, six Sikh worshippers.

PETE SIMI: Well, on one hand, it's not surprising when somebody involved in these types of groups does something in terms of what happened in Wisconsin, so we shouldn't really be surprised when somebody who is involved in these types of groups, with these types of beliefs, with the things that are advocated, with the centrality of guns and just violence more broadly, in terms of the role it plays in this movement, based on their beliefs, you know, in terms of just the very fact they believe that the white race is on the verge of extinction, and therefore whites have a right or, in fact, whites really should stand up and defend themselves.

So, that part is not surprising. But, it was, when I realized that it was Page, I was shocked. It's not something that at the time I was spending with him that I saw him as particularly threatening above and beyond other, you know, members of these types of groups. As a rule of thumb, you would think that members of these types of groups in general pose a certain level of threat. And I didn't see him as especially threatening, more so than other individuals involved in these types of groups.

[Peter Lemkin]

While I'll grant that during shooting and the chaos of the moment, the police chief could have gotten it wrong - he said his injured officer 'brought down' the shooter; they now are saying that the shooter shot himself in the head upon seeing the police officer. Its unlikely to be both ways, and the police have not clarified which version is correct and which is not. Just pointing this out.

[Ed Jewett]

Dr.Steven Greer Sirius Documentary (Trailer) - New Movie Coming Soon ! 2012

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Published on Jul 28, 2012 by MassLandings2012
UPDATE NEWS 6th August 2012: Black OP agents targeting Dr Steven Greer close colleagues to deter the movie "Sirius: The Next Bold Step in Disclosure" from being produced !
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Dr Steven Greer Tweet 6th August 2012: Sirius filmmaker Arm Kaleka's father shot at Sikh Temple. He is on scene now. Please pray for his family. Dr. Greer
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Who occupies these UFOs that are in our skies and around our planet and surrounded our whole solar system, it's Galactic Federation of Light and Massive Force of Light the Ashtar Galactic Command, who Illuminati global elites don't want you to know! They want you to think they are what you watch in Hollywood Blockbuster movies, such as the Evil ones are portrayed in mostly all of them, but in truth its to divert your minds to the actual real truth, which is they are of the Light not the Dark and are here to take down the Illuminati covertly in real time, to usher in Ascension for Humanity!, Bringing in Disclosure, Mass Landings then actual First Contact. ! Welcome them... Disclosure means Freedom for Humanity from this corrupted enslavement we are in that the Illuminati has placed us in. Everything is happening behind the scenes. Dr Steven M Greer is working with E.T.s who are of the Ashtar Galactic Command and Galactic Federation of Light, he has a special role to play not to represent the name of the organization like Sheldan Nidle does, but to inform and train people to make peaceful contact and put together the Disclosure for Earth! He is protected by powerful beings of light!

Support Sirius the Documentary Movie! It's what the unawakened people need to understand whats happening, since Illuminati are trying to confuse peoples minds with disinformation and propaganda. They use Hollywood as a shield !

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WHAT WILL YOU SEE?
Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the worldwide Disclosure Movement and the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence is working with Emmy award winning filmmaker Amardeep Kaleka and his team at Neverending Light Productions to produce one of the most significant films of our time.

This film exposes the greatest story never told: The Earth has been visited by people from other worlds who are not malicious, but in fact concerned for the future of humanity. A cabal of military, industrial and financial interests have kept this contact and what we have learned from it secret for over 60 years. Their secrecy is meant to suppress the knowledge that can liberate the world from the yoke of oil, gas, coal and nuclear power and replace the current world order with one of New Energy and true Freedom.

STRUCTURE OF THE FILM I. The first section of the film will share the vast scope of evidence that ET's exist, from official government documents, high-level witness testimony and audio and visual evidence. Disclosure and CSETI have the largest library of never before seen footage gathered over 20 years of study. II. Next, we interview a group of brilliant scientists who aim to expose long-held secret technologies. They show us how energy can be derived from the fabric of space around us, and how industrial cartels have suppressed this information. What did Nicola Tesla know, and why did the FBI seize his papers upon his death? Man-made anti-gravity vehicles have been in use for over half a century, some even used to perpetuate the ET abduction hoax in order to control the masses. Now is the time for these technologies to be acknowledged and developed for peaceful energy purposes. III. In the final section, we explore CONTACT: the CE-5 principles and how to build a bridge to a trans-dimensional universe. We will also share how the average person can make contact with people from other worlds. They are only a thought away...


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[Lauren Johnson]

Support Sirius the Documentary Movie! It's what the unawakened people need to understand whats happening, since Illuminati are trying to confuse peoples minds with disinformation and propaganda. They use Hollywood as a shield !

Ed, I realize all things are connected and you wish others to grok what you have groked. But this is just posted to provoke others at this forum. Enough said.

[Ed Jewett]

Support Sirius the Documentary Movie! It's what the unawakened people need to understand whats happening, since Illuminati are trying to confuse peoples minds with disinformation and propaganda. They use Hollywood as a shield !

Ed, I realize all things are connected and you wish others to grok what you have groked. But this is just posted to provoke others at this forum. Enough said.

Lauren, are you tied in with those folks doing the deep scientific and deep black research into mind-reading of intent by remote scan? See quote below from Freeman's "Societies of Brains", as one example, let alone the inferences behind Aurora's shooting.

I am quite certain that I am not the only one here at Deep Politics Forum acting as a provocateur.

If provocation is aimed solely at getting "the other" to think more clearly, or understand how a homo sapiens sapiens actually does think, I plead guilty.

But the posts I make are simply akin to a group of people sitting around a very large globe-wide table trying to solve a gigantic jigsaw puzzle. Some pieces fit; some pieces seem to fit; some pieces are made to fit misleadingly; some pieces don't fit; some pieces are thrown on the floor because they are made by a puzzle-printer distantly involved in the degradation of their great-great-grandfather once removed. As the puzzle seems to come together; seem people see a picture of idyllic pastoral splendor like a Monet scene in the French countryside, and others see something more akin to a rejected attempt by Hieronymous Bosch.

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Some researchers propose that brains can be mapped into minds by means of brain images from PET scans, so scientists can make "truth tables" and detect whether people are lying to themselves or to observers, when they when their verbal outputs disagree with their brain images. Neuro-ethicists and neurologists should rethink this lie detector approach.

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