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Destiny Betrayed pretty much nails the conspiracy through the Garrison end.


I think the conspiracy community has a sort of Stockholm Syndrome where it prefers to keep the discussion going rather than admit it is pretty much solved. This book is ignored in broad daylight while already disproven Lone Nut versions of its content are offered in public. The mainstream media is like a giant elephant in the room at the party that releases an occasional large manure on to guests who ignore it and party on, happy to be avoiding the "conspiracy theorists".
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Thanks.

That is what I actually tried to do. Trace a conspiracy from the ground level, to a mid level, to an upper level and then into the Power Elite.

I then tried to provide a motive, the reversal of Kennedy's foreign policy.

Today, looking at how my last two books turned out, I very much undersold them. I should have had an agent working for me and sold them as a package deal.

They kind of got lost in the shuffle of all those bad books.
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Jim, it is not my intent to jack your thread, and I'm sure you now regret your mention of Freeport in the OP of this thread.

Quote:William O'Neil Posted on 26 July, 2015 (on another forum)
...........
General Walker's Warning: Ruby Might Talk
On October 5, 1966, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals granted Jack Ruby a new trial, citing the fact that Ruby's statements to the police shortly after the shooting should not have been admissible. The death sentence was reversed, and the venue was changed to Wichita Falls, Texas. When the sheriff of Wichita Falls arrived to transfer Ruby, he noticed that Ruby was ill and refused to move him. Ruby was taken to Parkland Hospital on December 19, 1966, and was diagnosed with pneumonia. Shortly after that, it was determined that Ruby had cancer in both lungs.
On December 28, 1966, nine days after Jack Ruby entered the hospital, General Walker wrote to Billy James Hargis and expressed his fear that Ruby might talk, and then Walker issued a warning. The information was buried in the third paragraph of a letter following a trivial discourse about a briefcase Hargis had given him, his regrets that he could not attend a function with Hargis and his family, and his libel lawsuit. The letter was discovered by the author and revealed here for the first time. Walker wrote:
"Another peculiaritywith de Mohrenschildt returning to Dallas

from Haiti as Rubenstein is allegedly dying with cancer (and might talk)de M. made a front-page spread; and our informant produced his address and whom he is staying withnot good.

A warning. When Rubenstein leaves the hospital in a box (the only way he will come out), there is no further "block" to returning the blame on the right wing. The books and press will gradually pick it up again. RFK must have itit must be done, as insurance and assurancean RFK political necessity." ...

Just the normal noises (coincidences) around here.......

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http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm
The testimony of George S. De Mohrenschildt was taken at 10 a.m. on April 22, 1964,
...........
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. .....-I should go in the oil business on my own, really in the oil business, drilling and producing, which was interesting to me. And then I recalled that my exnephew, Eddie Hooker, in New York, asked me to go in business with him. He had visited me in Colorado and was very much interested in the work I had done. I gave him a telephone call from some place in Oklahoma.
I said, "Eddie, how about it?"
He was working for Merrill Lynch at the time.
And he said, "George, I am ready. I am tired of Merrill Lynch."
Mr. JENNER. Merrill Lynch, Fenner and Beane at that time?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. "I am tired of that Merrill Lynch, Fenner and Beane."
We formed a limited partnership together.
Mr. JENNER. And that is the partnership of Hooker and De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And that was when--1950?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I think so---1950.
Mr. JENNER. And did it last very long?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It lasted, I think, 3 years.
Mr. JENNER. About 2 years?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. 2 or 3 years......

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Tom Scully Wrote:...........
Godfrey's son, Godfrey A. Rockefeller, resided with Bush, the Macomber brothers, and Ed Hooker in the AUV
secret society house at http://preservation.mhl.org/123-main-st .
Phillips Andover, 1942:
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...........

Quote:http://news.google.c...e...=1&ie=UTF-8
Miss Alexandra Mills Is Bride of TJ Devine
- New York Times - Apr 15, 1973
Miss Alexandra Mills, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Samuel Wynne Mills of Locust ... William B. Macomber Jr., United States. Ambassador to Turkey, was best man. ...

http://news.google.c...e...=1&ie=UTF-8
Alexandra Mills to Marry in April
- New York Times - Jan 21, 1973
... Miss Alexandra Mills, to Thomas James Devine of New York, son of the late Mr. and Mrs. ... Mr. Devine is with Train, Cabot Associates, a company here. ...

Quote:
Tom Scully, on 07 May 2014 - 02:48 AM, said:Bush was "read in".....


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...elPageId=2
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Who read Joe Dryer "in"? I doubt if it was Bush. Who else did Dryer know who might have shared that a CIA plant was traveling with Charles in April, 1963, and why would they inform Dryer if his simultaneous presence to that of his Rochester friend, Devine, was coincidental? Why was this double teaming of Charlesa

and DeMohrenschildt kept out of HSCA testimony, staff reports, and CIA documents released, to date?


It is too bad the intrepid investigative news editor at the Rochester newspaper knew from his father that
Mary Surratt....I mean, DeMohrenschildt, was such a minor character. Maybe it would be different if he had
befriended Oswald and introduced him to people in Dallas like the Paines, Admiral Bruton, Sam Ballen,
George Bouhe.....

Quote:Excerpted from Joan Mellen's book, "Our Man in Haiti" :

....In New York, Chalres met with kenaf partner, Joe Dryer. Charles had sent a limousine to the hotel to pick up Dryer and his partner, Clark Cassidy. Dryer recounts that he and Cassidy both were fond of Charles. Charles had a secretary with him, a woman who, as Dryer knew through his own intellligence connections, had been planted on Charles by CIA.

In the late 1970's, Dryer told the House Select Committee on Assassinations that Charles had "many connections" with the Central Intelligence Agency. He added that George de Mohrenschildt had "some intelligence connection," although he professed not to know with which country. It seems clear that CIA held both Clemard Joseph Charles and George de Mohrenschildt within its radar, destined for some role in Haiti's political future....

....To Dryer now, in 1963, Charles described George de Mohrenschildt as his "business associate," adding that de Mohrenschildt had an appointment with Vice President Johnson.

A generous man, Dryer supplied Clemard Joseph Charles with some useful letters of introduction, testaments to his character. ....to Senator Kenneth Keating..... to Democratic Congressman Paul Rogers of Florida.....


The 1961 article at this link includes Dryer's partner Clarke Cassidy as one of those Clemard Charles met during
his 1961 trip to NYC.: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00015023/00156/17j


HSCA: "(70) In May 1978 the committee received information that a stock-broker in Palm Beach, Fla., had known George de Mohrenschildt in Haiti. The information came from Jack Cogswell of Palm Beach.According to Cogswell, he ran into Joseph Dryer, who is a stockbroker with Loeb R, Rhodes R Co. in Palm Beach and Dryer offered informa-tion about George de Mohrenschildt.(172)"
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James Kelsey Cogswell III was a CIA asset who was the first cousin of Catherine Hull. Obit.: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/obitua...as_person/
Her mother was Cogswell's aunt, Bianca Cogswell Clement. Cousin Catherine worked for OSS during WWII. Her husband was Capt. Harry Hull roomed with DeMohrenschildt in DC in 1942. Paul Joachim said DeMohrenschildt left and then returned weeks later.
Retired Admiral Joachim was victim of never solved Oct., 1962 Chicago murder.: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...d=49237604
"The killer searched Joachim's pockets after he was felled, walked away, then returned to search them again. A money clip containing $35 was untouched."


Rochester Journal Dec 19, 1936
"In leading parts were Charles Boswell, Buddy Kitchen, Hawley Ward, Tom Devine. Julian Fitch, Martin Sher, Mike Mulligan, Peter Dryer,…"


Misadventures of a Fly Fisherman: My Life with and Without Papa
Jack Hemingway 1987
"I made contact with Joe Dryer and his brother, Peter, who was sharing digs with him in an apartment near the Malecon on the edge of old Havana. Their project sounded interesting, but there was no place in it for me.."



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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...=102334174
Louise Wolcott Hooker Dodge - First cousin of Senator Jay (John D IV) Rockefeller's grandfather Elon Huntington Hooker,
and grandmother of Thomas J. Devine.


https://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf‎
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Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
Daily Boston Globe - Aug 14, 1947

... rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
the Hotel ... one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
fraternity house
... Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
told of taking refuge in ..


[PDF]
Spring 2009 - Beaver Sig - Sigma Chi Fraternity, Alpha ...
http://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs...ng2009.pdf‎
we visited Barbara Coit, the recent widow of another Alpha Theta Sig,. Garry Coit '46, who died in February. 2008."
Lawsuit over little bridge still cutts wide chasm in Shore town
articles.baltimoresun.com/.../1992213129_1_boone-c...‎The Baltimore Sun


Jul 31, 1992 - ... opposing the bridge are Mr. Becker, a retired aviation lawyer; L. Garry and Barbara M. Coit, two former Central Intelligence Agency officials; .


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...elPageId=3
PARTIAL CONTACT REPORT ON MEETING WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON 30-31 JAN 196 pg 1
WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON 30-31 JAN 196 N 3/3/1964 COIT GARRY


CIA FROM GARRY TO PRISCILLA TITLE LETTER RE
RIF#: 104-10135-10090 (03/02/65) CIA#: 80T01357A

LETTER, "I AM TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER SECTION" AND GIVING NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON TO CONTACT IN THE FUTURE pg 1
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 49
ORIGINATOR CIA FROM COIT GARRY TO PRISCILLA TITLE LETTER "I AM TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER SECTION AND GIVING NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON TO CONTACT IN THE FUTURE DATE 06/18/65 PAGES 1 SUBJECTS
RIF#: 104-10135-10092 (06/18/65) CIA#: 80T01357A


I discovered the unredacted version. I used the advanced search at Maryferrell.org with the search word, NATTILY.:

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archi...elPageId=7
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http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...elPageId=2

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Quote:Lodi: 1945-2005 - Page 35

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0738575488Ralph A. Clark - 2011 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
]ust like thousands before, this family made its way to Lodi from South Dakota as ethnic Germans from Russia. (Courtesy of the Stugelmeyer family.) Workers of the Super Mold Company stand in front of the world's largest tire recap mold in ..[URL="http://academic.shu.edu/findingaids/mss0058.html"]

John Train papers, 1960-2003 Mss 0058[/URL]
academic.shu.edu/findingaids/mss0058.html

Seton Hall University

The John Train Papers include personal and professional correspondence, ... in Costa Rica, and a tire-retreading company in Guinea before serving in the Army


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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Thanks.

That is what I actually tried to do. Trace a conspiracy from the ground level, to a mid level, to an upper level and then into the Power Elite.

I then tried to provide a motive, the reversal of Kennedy's foreign policy.

Today, looking at how my last two books turned out, I very much undersold them. I should have had an agent working for me and sold them as a package deal.

They kind of got lost in the shuffle of all those bad books.



Regarding Reclaiming Parkland, did Hanks ever reply in any form or fashion or in any way acknowledge your writing? Just curious.

As an aside, in the Texas Dental Journal last year an oral surgeon conducted an interview with a now retiring oral surgeon named Jack Bolton, DDS, MSD. Dr. Bolton was in the room as an oral surgery intern when Kennedy was brought in and the interviewer asked him a few questions. In a nutshell, he answered that the obvious wound, the fatal wound, was in the right occipital region, that brain tissue was "hanging out of the back of his head"--paraphrasing now--that the neck wound was small and consistent with an entry wound, though he also said he "only noticed the obvious occipital injury". He also briefly explained that oral surgeons were always available in the trauma rooms at Parkland, as the era of seatbelts and airbags had not yet arrived, so midface trauma was common. Also, he said that gunshot wounds were "run-of-the-mill" in those days at Parkland, and he would put those emergency room docs "up against anybody"

FWIW
Thanks
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I hope this isn't too off topic


This is a question to the JFK experts.


The book Sinister Forces by Levenda makes a bold claim that he was the first to reveal the connection of the well known inventor and philosopher Arthur Young to the Assassination.


Of course Ruth Paine, who we all know was up to her neck in the plot, setup, in some way, married Arthur Young's step son Micheal Paine.


Well the connection is a physical one or outward one he doesn't really offer any evidence beyond that superficial fact that he was Ruth Paine's father in law…

I always wondered what Levenda had in mind: maybe Arthur Young was another one of Oswald's many mentors a la George de Mohrenschild, taking a part in Oswald's intensive sheepdiddong?

Or did he hypnotize or mind control Oswald?

Or more elaborately was he some kind of spiritual adviser to the assassination?
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Regarding Reclaiming Parkland, did Hanks ever reply in any form or fashion or in any way acknowledge your writing? Just curious.


If he did I never saw it.
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I have not read Levenda's book, so I do not know.

But in all the work I did on the Paines, I never saw any direct connection between Young and Oswald.
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