14-12-2015, 11:08 PM
Albert Doyle Wrote:Bob Prudhomme Wrote:No, the things I list would have prevented a killer from escaping, via the stairs, while Truly and Baker rode the elevator up that they tried to summon.
So you're saying Baker would have let a potential cornered shooter upstairs go uncontrolled and possibly take hostages, or kill employees?
Bob if Baker takes the stairs then he lets the shooter escape via the elevator. If he takes the elevator then he lets the shooter escape via the stairs. I don't think it is reasonable, when Baker was running to confront a shooter, that you insert this planned rationality into Baker's mind as if he was a robo-cop with a computer graphic of the whole situation and all the plays from years of analysis present in consciousness. Your argument makes sense in a sophist analysis of the scenario but it isn't really realistic in real time. I think you are trying to force Murphy over the real events.
Your argument is basically because my years-long analysis of Baker conforms to the best police practices that therefore Baker would and should have practiced them. I'm not sure it works that way and Baker did what he did because he was trying to confront and catch a shooter.
On TV lately, the first responders for the Columbine shooting were interviewed saying that they made a mistake securing the perimeter and exits and should have gone straight in to confront the shooters.
Note, in your last sentence, the use of the word "they". Yes, if you have the numbers, charge the building and confront the bad guys. But common sense dictates it is rather foolish for a one man "gang" to believe he can "corner" a perpetrator in such a large building, all by himself.
Despite what television shows tell you, law enforcement agencies do not really like the Rambo types, as one man lacks the firepower to effectively subdue a perpetrator, and he often ends up getting hurt or killed himself, and getting others hurt or killed. They tend to create mountains of paperwork, and raise the long term disability insurance premiums.
The proper procedure would have been to follow the chain of command by:
1. Informing his superiors of the situation.
2. Requesting additional forces to secure the building.
3. If possible, utilize existing manpower at the scene to secure all exits.
4. When additional forces arrive, hand over all relevant information to the leader of these forces, and offer assistance in any subsequent plan to locate the perpetrator.
How would one man charging into Columbine have altered the outcome, other than adding himself to the list of casualties?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964