26-03-2014, 04:13 AM
(This post was last modified: 26-03-2014, 01:06 PM by Greg R Parker.)
David, very kind of you to underscore my point by posting that By the middle of the 20th century, the profession had moved closer to mainstream medicine, adopting modern public health and biomedical principles. American "osteopaths" became "osteopathic medical physicians", ultimately achieving full practice rights as medical doctors in all 50 states, including serving in the U.S. armed forces as physicians.
By the MIDDLE of the 20th Century the profession had moved CLOSER to mainstream medicine. But see also my reply to Bob. It was not until the late 1970s that these quacks were granted any sort of right to practice as DOs (Doctors of Osteopathy). And even then, it only happened as a result of a doctor shortage. Desperate times call for desperate measures and allowing these quacks to officially use the title "Dr" was about as desperate as it gets.
See: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=27...02,1779246When did Philben get his qualifications? 1943. When did Oswald see him? At the beginning of 1945.
Do your own homework, DJ. I did mine. My book has more source notes than most books Many more. No book cites every single sentence. That seems to be your requirement of me. Wonder why? If you can find a record showing that Marguerite consulted osteopaths, chiropractics, faith healers, medicine men, or witch doctors prior to seeing Philben, I'd be grateful for you posting that info. Unlike some, I WANT my work examined, scrutinized and put under a microscope and for any errors to be pointed out to me so they can be fixed for later editions.
The word of Marguerite? I have already said I think she believed her son did have a tonsillectomy. You're kidding about the insurance company surely? The Insurance Company has nothing to do with this. Marguerite gave them the information. They did not corroborate it. The FBI? Once again, you're either kidding or pig ignorant of how the FBI operates. FBI reports are not validation of what is contained in the report. The report is... just that... a report of what someone said, or what some document says. Again, the FBI did not corroborate or even endorse the information. You are, in every sense of the word, unbelievable.
But as I have said before, even if I allow this fantasy that somehow someone who eschews surgery as an option, did actually perform a tonsillectomy, it matters not one whit to the reliance on the word of Armstrong. As you now admit, tonsils can and do grow back in some cases.
That you keep wanting to change the topic is telling. I will get to those other areas, I assure you. That you and your cohorts here want to proclaim victory is also telling. You think if you say it loud and long enough, some might actually believe it. That's a well worn propaganda tactic. Can you think of any group who used it previously?
Your ignorance is a beacon to all believers! If it's not accurate, it's not because it relied upon anyone's memory. The FBI had the insurance form, if memory serves. And that form was completed by Marguerite, who wrote that LHO had had a tonsillectomy. There was only a 3 month gap between when Philben had been consulted and when the insurance form was completed. Hardly enough time to "forget" something like that. But once again, if Philben used the usual flim-flam manipulation techniques of his profession and led Marguerite to believe he had performed a tonsillectomy, I don't think Marguerite would disbelieve him. He was a "doctor", after all!
The flim-flam man was highly respected... by other flim-flam merchants ROLFMAO!
Ah, but what about the fact that "Dr. Philben served as chief of staff at several local hospitals over the years, including Dallas Memorial Hospital in old East Dallas." I hear you ask.
Good question, DJ. That was AFTER the time that these quacks were granted pretend doctor credentials to fill the critical shortfall of real doctors.
Do I have this right? You expect me to prove a negative. It is up to you and your gang to prove your contention that LHO had a tonsillectomy. How about hospital records, referrals... anything? All you have is Marguerite's BELIEF that Lee had such an operation. That belief was written on an insurance application and repeated in an FBI report. Neither of the latter mean anything at all except that they act to RECORD Marguerite's BELIEF. In short, you have next to nothing -- which sums up the whole H & L smoke and mirrors evidence.
Let me give you a clue. Philben is listed as the the person who performed the operation. Now you guys are trying relegate him to merely someone who referred patients to hospitals for such operations... so let's run with that trunk load of manure and see how far we get?
In order for Philben to refer anyone for a tonsillectomy (or indeed, perform one himself), he would have needed to refer the patient to a REGULAR doctor first, who would then refer the patient to the hospital. Why is that? Refer back to the top. Philben was not licensed to refer patients for operations.
By the MIDDLE of the 20th Century the profession had moved CLOSER to mainstream medicine. But see also my reply to Bob. It was not until the late 1970s that these quacks were granted any sort of right to practice as DOs (Doctors of Osteopathy). And even then, it only happened as a result of a doctor shortage. Desperate times call for desperate measures and allowing these quacks to officially use the title "Dr" was about as desperate as it gets.
See: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=27...02,1779246When did Philben get his qualifications? 1943. When did Oswald see him? At the beginning of 1945.
Quote:I for one would be interested in what GP has to show us regarding "All records prior to her meeting Ekdahl show the use of traditional doctors" and why speculation of this extreme sort consitutes evidence against anyone and is enough to disprove the word of his mother, the insurance company and the FBI.
Do your own homework, DJ. I did mine. My book has more source notes than most books Many more. No book cites every single sentence. That seems to be your requirement of me. Wonder why? If you can find a record showing that Marguerite consulted osteopaths, chiropractics, faith healers, medicine men, or witch doctors prior to seeing Philben, I'd be grateful for you posting that info. Unlike some, I WANT my work examined, scrutinized and put under a microscope and for any errors to be pointed out to me so they can be fixed for later editions.
The word of Marguerite? I have already said I think she believed her son did have a tonsillectomy. You're kidding about the insurance company surely? The Insurance Company has nothing to do with this. Marguerite gave them the information. They did not corroborate it. The FBI? Once again, you're either kidding or pig ignorant of how the FBI operates. FBI reports are not validation of what is contained in the report. The report is... just that... a report of what someone said, or what some document says. Again, the FBI did not corroborate or even endorse the information. You are, in every sense of the word, unbelievable.
But as I have said before, even if I allow this fantasy that somehow someone who eschews surgery as an option, did actually perform a tonsillectomy, it matters not one whit to the reliance on the word of Armstrong. As you now admit, tonsils can and do grow back in some cases.
That you keep wanting to change the topic is telling. I will get to those other areas, I assure you. That you and your cohorts here want to proclaim victory is also telling. You think if you say it loud and long enough, some might actually believe it. That's a well worn propaganda tactic. Can you think of any group who used it previously?
Quote:The report from which information about the tonsilectomy comes from, of all places, yes - an FBI report... which does quote the information listed on the insurance application, much like all the other FBI reports GP uses as supporting evidence for his arguments originate... (see Peggy Zimmerman et al...)
Are we actually to believe that information found on FBI reports is not accurate when only based on someone's memory? Or only when it supports his arguments?
Your ignorance is a beacon to all believers! If it's not accurate, it's not because it relied upon anyone's memory. The FBI had the insurance form, if memory serves. And that form was completed by Marguerite, who wrote that LHO had had a tonsillectomy. There was only a 3 month gap between when Philben had been consulted and when the insurance form was completed. Hardly enough time to "forget" something like that. But once again, if Philben used the usual flim-flam manipulation techniques of his profession and led Marguerite to believe he had performed a tonsillectomy, I don't think Marguerite would disbelieve him. He was a "doctor", after all!
Quote:Dr Philben here seems to have been fairly respected by the medical profession in TX, as was Osteopathic Medicine.... and not a single mention of faith-healing, calling on spirits or the laying on of hands....
So what really is Osteopathic medicine?
The flim-flam man was highly respected... by other flim-flam merchants ROLFMAO!
Ah, but what about the fact that "Dr. Philben served as chief of staff at several local hospitals over the years, including Dallas Memorial Hospital in old East Dallas." I hear you ask.
Good question, DJ. That was AFTER the time that these quacks were granted pretend doctor credentials to fill the critical shortfall of real doctors.
Quote:In essence, Mr P does not have any evidence at all the tonsilectomy was never performed other than the information provided an insurance company by the man's mother as recorded by the FBI's investigation into the matter. Cause as we all know, determining whether the accused (and now dead) killer of the president had his tonsils out in 1945 by December 9, 1963 (less than 3 weeks after a man was gunned down in the DPD basement) would be instrumental in reinforcing his guilt...
Do I have this right? You expect me to prove a negative. It is up to you and your gang to prove your contention that LHO had a tonsillectomy. How about hospital records, referrals... anything? All you have is Marguerite's BELIEF that Lee had such an operation. That belief was written on an insurance application and repeated in an FBI report. Neither of the latter mean anything at all except that they act to RECORD Marguerite's BELIEF. In short, you have next to nothing -- which sums up the whole H & L smoke and mirrors evidence.
Let me give you a clue. Philben is listed as the the person who performed the operation. Now you guys are trying relegate him to merely someone who referred patients to hospitals for such operations... so let's run with that trunk load of manure and see how far we get?
In order for Philben to refer anyone for a tonsillectomy (or indeed, perform one himself), he would have needed to refer the patient to a REGULAR doctor first, who would then refer the patient to the hospital. Why is that? Refer back to the top. Philben was not licensed to refer patients for operations.