Proof the Motorcade came to a long Halt

[David Josephs]

Hi Dave

There is a discussion over at JFKfacts.org regarding the testimony of Bill Shelley, Billy Lovelady and Victoria Adams. A poster by the name of David posted the following, and I thought of our recent discussion.

"Vanessa/Bob,In two affidavits to the FBI, Vickie Adams made no mention of having seen Bill Shelley or Billy Lovelady when she reached the first floor of the School Book Depository.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...PageId=662
This contradicts an interview report from 2/17/64, where Detective Leavelle states that Vickie Adams reported having seen "Mr. Shelley and another employee named Bill" when she got down to the first floor.http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/33/3376-001.gif
She has also challenged the accuracy of her WC testimony claiming she had not encountered Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor as it states. She also claims that she never waived her right to review her testimony as the transcript states."

How are we to do any realistic research, when it is possible every piece of evidence we examine has been "cleansed"?

Pretty disheartening, isn't it?
As I mention above, the evidence is only useful to uncover the conspiracy.
So where does she now say she encountered these two men? (I did not yet read "girl on the stairs")

Now what really bothers me about Adams' testimony is her statement regarding where she is at the time of the shots.. Should we be seeing Dorman, Adams and Styles in these 4th floor windows?
We can see someone in the 4th & 6th set of windows... we can see our three men on the 5th floor...






My inderstanding is that her seeing these men when they claim to have been elsewhere at the time discredits her timing and back stairs claims of not seeing anyone - which makes it tough for our Ozzie to do what Truly and Baker finally tell us in their testimony... (or what Baker says in his affidavit) I am not convinced that people have a clue how long a minute is. Plus we need to remember that Oswald was NOT AT THE WINDOW... but the FBI and DPD had to put him there, and then he had to be in the lunchroom on the 2nd floor...
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was, or do you think it took you to get from the window to the top of the fourth floor stairs?
Miss ADAMS - I don't think I can answer that question accurately, because the time approximation, without a stopwatch, would be difficult.
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it took you. to get from the window to the bottom of the stairs on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - I would say no longer than a minute at the most.

(Baker affidavit puts this person 1-2 flights higher up which is much more incriminating than drinking a coke in the 2nd floor lunchroom with an auto closing door - why do you suppose this person was removed from the picture and who do you think he was?)
A
s we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket. s/ M. L. Baker

Robert - there was to be one and only one story. I think LBJ and Hoover realized the position they were put in immediately... Based on Mexico, Hoover did not want to say it was Oswald alone yet once the CIA got Alvarado to recant, the plot changed from a commie conspiracy story to a Lone Nut story. Any and all evidence that even suggested a conspiracy involving Oswald was to be removed. I think Shelley was an FBI/CIA asset and Lovelady was just going along to get along. I think Vickie left and was down on the first floor before Baker gets to there... which is why she is not in Dillard. The man that Baker sees has to be important since he not Truly are ever asked who that was... by their testimony it becmomes Oswald in the lunchroom...






Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Vickie Adams?
Mr. SHELLEY - I saw her that day but I don't remember where I saw her.
Mr. BALL - You don't remember whether you saw her when you came back?
Mr. SHELLEY - It was after we entered the building.
Mr. BALL - You think you did see her after you entered the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, sir; I thought it was on the fourth floor awhile after that.
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Mr. BALL - Did you see Vickie Adams after you came into the building and did you see her on the first floor?
Mr. SHELLEY - I sure don't remember.
Mr. BALL - You don't.
Mr. SHELLEY - No.
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Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie. (DJ - kinda interesting that LOVELADY brings up Vickie without being asked if it was her but just "Who did you see")
Mr. BALL - Who is Vickie?
Mr. LOVELADY - The girl that works for Scott, Foresman.
Mr. BALL - What is her full name?
Mr. LOVELADY - I wouldn't know.
Mr. BALL - Vickie Adams?
Mr. LOVELADY - I believe so.
Mr. BALL - Would you say it was Vickie you saw?
Mr. LOVELADY - I couldn't swear.
Mr. BALL - Where was the girl?
Mr. LOVELADY - I don't remember what place she was but I remember seeing a girl as she was talking to Bill or saw Bill or something, then I went over and asked one of the guys what time it was and to see if we should continue working or what.