Definite proof the BYPs were faked - and who is Johnnie GRIZZAFFI and what did he say?

[David Josephs]

From the HSCA analysis of the BYPs we learn that somehow prints directly from the negative are found for a 3rd pose - 133-C.

(362) The committee obtained an 8 x 10 print of an additional view of Oswald holding the rifle in a pose different from CE 133-A or B. This photograph, a first generation print, * was given to the committee
on December 30, 1976 by Mrs. Geneva Dees of Paris, Tex. According to Mrs. Dees, it had been acquired by her former husband, Roscoe White, now deceased, while employed with the Dallas Police at the time of the assassination. (150) The panel designated this recently discovered photograph as 133-C (Dees).
(364) Two additional first. generation prints, one of 133-Aand one of 133-C, where obtained from formerDallas Police Detective Richard S. Stovall on April 14, 1978. (153)

CE 749, the original negative to CE 133-B, was the onlynegative recovered from the possession of the
Dallas Police Department ; consequently, it was the onlyoriginal negative available to the Panel for analysis. There is no officialrecord explaining why the Dallas Police Department failed to give the Warren Commissionthe other original negative. (159)
(159) See ref. 127
(127) Testimony of Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt, September 1, 1963,15 Warren Commission hearings, 693 ; but see also Rose testimony, ref. 126(Dallas police found two negatives that showed Oswald holding a rifle in hishand, wearing a pistol at his hip) ; executive session testimony of R. L.Studebaker, October 5, 1978, House Select Committee on Assassinations (J .F.K .Document No. 014695); executive session testimony of John Grizzaffi, October 5,1978, House Select Committee on Assassinations (J .F.K. Document No. 014699) .

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Johnnie Grizzaffi was an associate of Lois Green and Beeny Binion.

GRIZZAFFI, JOHN MICHAEL
Owned American Liquors, 3228 Knox St., Dallas. When Marinaand Ken Porter bought Knox Street Pub, it was next-door to American Liquors andthey talked on Ameican Liquors' phone rather than the phone of Knox Street Pub.HSCA asked R.D. Matthews if he knew Grizzaffi. Matthews said, "Yes."Grizzaffi had Carousel Club pass #206. On Nov 7, 1946, "...local boy whohandles dope... trigger man." Friend of Jack Ruby. Had Carousel Club Pass#206. Marina Oswald stayed in Declan and Katya Ford's house at 6448 DunstonLane directly across street from Grizzaffi. Died Tues, Aug 17, 1993, at age 68.Survived by wife: Florence; sons and daughters-in-law: Luke and MargaretGrizzaffi; John and Judy Grizzaffi; brothers: Sam Grizzaffi and BonnieGrizzaffi; sister: Bessie Truneabe.

WC Vol 22, p. 503; CD 4, p. 483; CD 105, p. 81; CD 329, p.203; HSCA, Vol 9, pp. 517, 553-554, 1009; Dallas Morning News, Wed, Aug 18,1993, p. 32-A

Marina HSCA testimony:
Q. Did you meet living across the street I believe a Mr. Johnny Grizzaffi?
A. Oh, Yes.
Q. What can you tell us about Mr. Grizzaffi?
A. Well, not much. I don't know him that well but I was grateful, he gave me a whole can of salmon when I was expecting my son.
Q. What can you tell us about him? The way you said, "Oh, yes," you seem to have some recollection of him.
A. Well, I don't know his personal traits but, you know, being in their house and I can describe him physically . He was a family man and his business once upon a time was next door to my husband's business so I had occasion to
Q. That is your present husband?
A. Yes ; I had occasion to see him. He owned a liquor store.
Q. Did Mr. Grizzaffi ever discuss Jack Ruby with you?
A. Not that I remember.
Q. Did you ever meet any of Mr. Grizzaffi's friends?
A. No ; I met his children and his wife. We were living across from each other.

I did not orignally want to delve into Mr. G here yet I had never seen his name before and wonder what it has to do with these negatives - he was a friend of PORTER, an associate of Ruby and was considered the #1 or 2 man in Dallas Gambling circles... His wife's name was Natasha.
(364) Two additional first generation prints, one of 133-Aand one of 133-C, where obtained from former Dallas Police Detective Richard S.Stovall on April 14, 1978. (153)

CE 749, the original negative to CE 133-B, was the onlynegative recovered from the possession of the Dallas Police Department ; consequently, it was the onlyoriginal negative available to the Panel for analysis. There is no officialrecord explaining why the Dallas Police Department failed to give the Warren Commissionthe other original negative. (159)
[size=12](159) See ref. 127
(127) Testimony of Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt, September 1, 1963,15 Warren Commission hearings, 693 ; but see also Rose testimony, ref. 126(Dallas police found two negatives that showed Oswald holding a rifle in hishand, wearing a pistol at his hip) ; executive session testimony of R. L.Studebaker, October 5, 1978, House Select Committee on Assassinations (J .F.K .Document No. 014695); executive session testimony of John Grizzaffi, October 5,1978, House Select Committee on Assassinations (J .F.K. Document No. 014699) .

(I cannot find this testimony and this is the first time I've seen his name - can anyone steer me to this testimony? and why would it have anything to do with this?
There are no Exec Session transcripts for a Oct 5 meeting - although I did find that Angleton was deposed on this day)
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So White/Stovall decide to keep a negative and print(s) of a BYP pose without telling anyone... ??




Box 12, Folder 4
2. Photograph. Photograph of 214 W. Neely Street - back yard, negative number 91-001/141, 91-001/093, 91-001-140, and 91-001/089, (Photographic Image: Size 8" X 10"), 11/29/63. 00004081 12 pages 12 02 002 4081-001.gif 4081-002.gif

Box 12, Folder 4 1. Photograph. Photograph of 214 W. Neely Street - Detective B. G. Brown with rifle in back yard, negative number 91-001/144, 91-001/094, and 91-001/427, (Photographic Image: Size 8" X 10"), date unknown. 00004085 6 pages 12 04 001 4085-001.gif

The empty BYP taken on the 29th matches the Det Brown images whcih are undated.



Box 7, Folder 6 1. Photocopy of a Photograph, by an unknown author. Photocopies of photographs taken by DPD at 214 W. Neely Street, (Photocopy), date unknown. 00002174 3 pages 07 06 001 2174-001.gif 2174-002.gif 2174-003.gif

2174-003 is a strange version of the Oswald cutout as it appears that the cutout is laid upon another image and then photocopied - which will be part of my conclusion.

Here then is an image from 11/29, a copy of the DPD cutout of Oswald done in 1963 (http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337269/) and the 133-C photo discovered just before New Year's Day 1977




Not only is the real image of 133-c completely skewed off of the copy with the cutout - but I need someone to answer this:

How can Det Brown be put into this pose, or Oswald's shape cut out in this pose, when no one other than White/Stovall seems to have known about this pose until 1977?

The Evidence IS the Conspiracy IS the Evidence