Lovelady in front of TSBD

[David Josephs]

"I'd need a bit more nefarious behavior by these guys - the real question is why the WC lawyers would want them to amend their statements to include a delay.
Lovelady does not appear to me in the film of Baker running to the steps..."

You are correct. Lovelady is not on the steps when Baker runs up them. Baker testified, and this testimony was put to the test in a re-enactment, that 15 seconds elapsed from the time he heard the 3rd shot, until he was going through the front door of the TSBD. If Lovelady and Shelley actually were 25 steps down the Elm St. extension, when they looked back to see Truly and Baker enter the TSBD, they likely had to leave the steps just before the 3rd shot.

The whole point of my argument is that Shelley's and Lovelady's lies were not only in their WC testimony, but in their affidavits, as well. Look at the map Tracy posted. As soon as they took five steps away from the TSBD steps, they eliminated any chance of running into Gloria Calvary, as she would have been coming up the Elm St. sidewalk, and they were going in almost the opposite direction. Why was it so important for Shelley to mention Gloria Calvary by name in his affidavit, especially when the physical evidence shows it would have been impossible for he and Lovelady to have run into her? Did she pose some threat to the coverup, and was it necessary to put her somewhere else at a certain time?

I think the real reason why the WC lawyers needed Shelley and Lovelady to delay their time of leaving the TSBD steps by 3-4 minutes is as plain as the nose on your face, and is one of the cornerstones of the coverup. Victoria Adams swore that she and Sandra Styles were on the 4th floor of the TSBD, watching the motorcade, and, immediately after the last shot, ran down the very same stairs Oswald allegedly ran down, and Baker and Truly ran up. And, of course, we all know she saw neither saw or heard anyone on those stairs but her and Sandra Styles. Her story had the potential to sink the whole 2nd floor Oswald/Baker encounter. By delaying Shelley and Lovelady by 3-4 minutes, and having them encounter Ms. Adams on the main floor, on her way out the door, serious doubt could be thrown on her coverup-breaking story's timing, and she could be made to look like a silly young woman in three inch heels who couldn't estimate time, or run down stairs very quickly.

However, if she was accurate about her timing from the 4th floor, and it was Shelley and Lovelady who were put up to perjury by the WC lawyers, it is not just her lack of contact with Oswald that is troubling. The real question is, why did she not run into Truly and Baker on the stairs? Has Baker's timing been adjusted for the coverup, as well?

P.S.

The ears don't look right. Shelley's ears stick out sideways like Dumbo's. The guy in the NO photo has ears tucked neatly to the side of his head, unless the ear in the NO photo has been cropped and adjusted.

I still think the similarities are striking and hard to dismiss... the cheek bones, the hair parts, even the way the light bounces off his hair... the implications are monumental if it is him.
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Seems to me that Victoria left very quickly after the shots. This is Dillard within 20 seconds after the shots - agreed?

We can see a man in the far left window still watching. Yet no Adams, Styles, Dorman or Garner

So what do you think? If Adams left right away while Truly and Baker are talking then deciding where to go, whe most likely got down ahead of them.

Seems to me that between getting into the building, deciding what to do, getting to the NE corner elevators, calling for and waiting for the elevator and then finally running up the stairs, Adams and Styles could have already been down and gone... That Adams says she see Lovelady and Shelley becomes the real question - was this before or after she leaves and comes back...?? who knows.

Mr. TRULY. I am pointing to the west one. This elevator was on the fifth floor. Also, the east elevator-- as far as I can tell--both of them were on the fifth floor at that time. This elevator will come down if the gates are down, and
you push a button.
Representative FORD. Which elevator is that?
Mr. TRULY. The west one. But the east one will not come down unless you get on it and bring it down. You cannot call it if the gates are down.
Representative FORD. That is the east elevator?
Mr. TRULY. The east elevator? There is a button and a little bell here. I pressed
Mr. BELIN. You might put a "B" on Exhibit 362 by the elevator for "button."
Mr. TRULY. That is right on this surface. There is a little button. I pressed the button and the elevator didn't move.
I called upstairs , "Turn loose the elevator."
Mr. BELIN. When you say call up, in what kind of a voice did you call?
Mr. TRULY. Real loud. I suppose in an excited voice. But loud enough that anyone could have heard me if they had not been over stacking or making a little noise. But I rang the bell and pushed this button.
Mr. BELIN. What did you call?
Mr. TRULY. I said, "Turn loose the elevator." Those boys understand that language.
Mr. BELIN. What does that mean?
Mr. TRULY. That means if they have the gates up, they go pull the gates down, and when you press the button, you can pull it down.
Mr. BELIN. And how many times did you yell that?
Mr. TRULY. Two times.
Mr. BELIN. After you had first pushed the button?
Mr. TRULY. That is right. I had pressed the button twice I believe, and called up for the elevator twice.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? First of all, did the elevator come down?
Mr. TRULY. It did not.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Then what did you do?
Mr. TRULY. I went up on a run up the stairway





From this it appears Dorman was to the RIGHT of the light pole as we face the TSBD yet the open window is to the left...
According to the witnesses with her and Dorman herself, she claims to ahve been sitting by the open window and filming




http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j...E_1381.pdf

p12 Calvary, p26 Dorman, p33 Garner, p90 Styles, p2 Adams

Calvary says nothing of seeing Lovelady or Shelley or talking to them (not called to testify)
Dorman claims to have been in the open window, stopped filming and the is gone (not called to testify)
Garner confirms where Dorman and the others were.





And finally - Victoria's on page 2. For her to have seen the "confusion" she was at the window for a little while, just not in Dillard.

Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.


Styles was not called to testify but does corroborate Adams in her statement... What I find suprising (and in direct conflic to the "building being sealed by 12:37 by Sawyer) that policemen are telling witnesses to go back into the TSBD ?!?!
Why would the police be sending people to the building where the shots came from if that was what they believed?

Styles even says she encounters a policeman at the rear who told her to leave that area - she walked around the building and back in the front door, unstopped.

Does Lovelady/Shelley mix Calvary with Adams and is the reason they changed their story?

Mr. BELIN - Now what did you do after you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I said I believed the President was shot.


Mr. LOVELADY - I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.
Mr. BALL - Who was this girl?
Mr. LOVELADY - Gloria Calvary

Mr. BALL - Then what happened?
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute

Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."
And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."