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Can't find diagram of shots to jfk from conspiracy point of view?
#11
Lauren Johnson Wrote:
Quote:Z-Film was 203% altered

What does 203% mean?

Altered to add aliens shooting mag-rail flechettes from the overpass and then altered again to repaint it just like the original.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

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#12
Just slightly more than 202% Smile
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
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#13
I remain an agnostic about Z-film alternation, but god knows I don't want to start that argument up again. So carry on, as you were. Deadhorse
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#14
203% means more than twice certainty.
Here is but ONE of several threads that should, I hope, convince anyone to read Horne's books [five volumes!] or just his article on Z-film alteration. Even the video should persuade most.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...doug+horne :Blink:
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#15
Edwin Ortiz Wrote:I find the single bullet diagram very easily on the net but i have not been able to find a diagram with the shots coming from both the front and back with the adjusted locations contrary to the sbt theory...Is this due to the internet being filtered or lack of diagrams from a conspiracy point of view?....Though i have read many booms i dont recall where and if i have found any diagrams opposing the SBT diagram which we always see any thought please reply im still looking for the true accurate diagram of the incoming shots.

JFK's head shot wounds were described by Roy Kellerman in his Warren Comm testimony. The entrance wound was just forward of his right ear in the hairline and the exit wound was a wound about 5 inches across with the bone
"removed." You can look up Kellerman's testimony and you can listen to Dr Crenshaw who was at Parkland Hospital. The exit wound in the right rear of JFK's head matches both men's descriptions but Crenshaw (nor any other Parkland witness) did not identify the small entrance wound which Kellerman described as about the diameter of the end of his finger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPcH1RNMC6M

John Connally described the bullet hitting him in the back as it "bent me over." As you look at the Zapruder film, you will not see John Connally bent over until AFTER JFK is shot in the head. The JFK community tends to ignore most everything Connally describes but they focus on the one thing consistent with the SBT. That is probably because the gubermint goons harassed Nellie and John into agreeing that he was shot in the back before JFK's head shot even though that disagrees with what we see in the Z film: Connally turns to his right (frame Z230 to Z300 or so) then as he is turning back to look over his left shoulder he is slammed forward in his seat a split second AFTER JFK is shot in the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-lZNR_yAc

For John Connally to have been shot immediately AFTER JFK's head shot, then there would have to be two shots fired from different directions a split second apart.

Let me count the MANY witnesses who said the last two shots were BANG-BANG. MANY of these people heard a bang, then seconds and then BANG-BANG. The GUBERMINT counts them as people who said there were three shots! But not the TSBD three shots, these were BANG then BANG-BANG. In other words, a sizeable population heard BANG BANG then BANG-BANG! That is four, not three shots :-(

A couple of the witnesses who say the last two shots were BANG-BANG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNcYG-m08gNcYG-m08g Patricia Donaldson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8H_DaL_tQk Lee Bowers

If you look up Mary Ann Moreman, Roy Kellerman's Warren Comm testimony and a whole bunch of others, they said the last two shots were BANG-BANG.

What the witnesses say they heard doesn't PROVE anything, it's just information that might lead an investigator to look a bit deeper into other evidence. But that doesn't work in the JFK assassination because the presstitutes buy the gubermint's explanation: Those were echoes, not separate shots.

So who is right?

There is other evidence that shows the last two shots were fired 0.7 seconds apart, BANG-BANG. The first shot was from the grassy knoll, the second shot fired a split second later was fired from the TSBD. Here is what all that means in video ( a video is worth millions of words, especially when it is right).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLxlSBGwMY

this video shows how to PROVE that a conspiracy killed JFK. When you work through that, it quickly shows that the US gubermint lied, forged, altered, and even destroyed evidence to hide the truth.

One of the biggest things that had to be hidden was the shot to Connally's back. IF you look at the Zapruder film, you'll notice that Connally is bent over iF YOU LOOK AT A RECENT COMPUTER STABILIZED Z FILM. If you look at the 1975 era Z films, it's hard to notice that Connally is slammed forward AFTER JFK is shot in the head because the film is so blurred after JFK is shot in the head.

The average JFK "researcher" refuses to believe that it is possible to PROVE we have been lied to by the US gubermint. It has to be a mystery, it must be theories, there can be no definitive answers. Unfortunately for the fools who bought the gubermint's lies, it is going to be a hard landing as they realize the gubermint made fools of us all.

Some people here mentioned possible Z film alteration. Doug Horne of Ass Records Review Board fame has found enough information to show that the Z film was altered on Sunday afternoon. It's a crappy job. If you can't see the quality seriously degrades during the shooting (compared to before and after the shots were fired) then you need new glasses. Listen to Doug Horne show the gubermint altered the Zapruder film and when. The gubermint man (Dino Burgioni) said the quality sucks compared to what he saw on Saturday night when he looked at the original Z film.

https://vimeo.com/102327635

Some of the PhD fools who have bought the gubermint's lies hook, line and sinker have complained I am just trying to sell a book for money. Actually I wrote something to document that it is possible to know with absolute certainty what happened in Dealey Plaza. I mean proof with astronomical odds that a conspiracy killed JFK. After you UNDERSTAND how to prove it to yourself, you too can easily find the fingerprints of the conspirators who told the lies and altered the evidence.

It has been obvious for decades the US gubermint lied to hide the truth but the game is played that you have to let others tell you the answers. If you disagree, they call you a conspiracy theorist or some other idiotic, degrading term and attempt to ignore you. It's ok for Vince Bugliosi to publish a book and make money but anybody who disagrees with the gubermint's lies is just doing it for financial gain.:Depressed:

One thing we all need to learn is that the presstitutes think their job is to explain the gubermint's answers to the public, not to figure out if it is true. The presstitues simply parrot the lies, they don't investigate. This next video shows the level of crap the presstitues show as they try to explain away the public's doubts.

https://vimeo.com/92452333

The gubermint insists Connally could not have been wounded after JFK was shot in the head because you cannot explain all of his wounds then. As you watch the Z film, notice Connally makes RADICAL MOVEMENTS 4.8 seconds BEFORE and 0.7 seconds AFTER the JFK head shot. That is the exact timing of the last three shots per the Dallas acoustical evidence. It means Connally was wounded twice, not once as every other book on the assassination contends. If you are going to believe ANYTHING the gubermint told you, you will get the wrong answers. Everybody else has bought at least some of their lies.

Bill Charleston
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#16
William Charleston Wrote:
Edwin Ortiz Wrote:I find the single bullet diagram very easily on the net but i have not been able to find a diagram with the shots coming from both the front and back with the adjusted locations contrary to the sbt theory...Is this due to the internet being filtered or lack of diagrams from a conspiracy point of view?....Though i have read many booms i dont recall where and if i have found any diagrams opposing the SBT diagram which we always see any thought please reply im still looking for the true accurate diagram of the incoming shots.

JFK's head shot wounds were described by Roy Kellerman in his Warren Comm testimony. The entrance wound was just forward of his right ear in the hairline and the exit wound was a wound about 5 inches across with the bone
"removed." You can look up Kellerman's testimony and you can listen to Dr Crenshaw who was at Parkland Hospital. The exit wound in the right rear of JFK's head matches both men's descriptions but Crenshaw (nor any other Parkland witness) did not identify the small entrance wound which Kellerman described as about the diameter of the end of his finger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPcH1RNMC6M

John Connally described the bullet hitting him in the back as it "bent me over." As you look at the Zapruder film, you will not see John Connally bent over until AFTER JFK is shot in the head. The JFK community tends to ignore most everything Connally describes but they focus on the one thing consistent with the SBT. That is probably because the gubermint goons harassed Nellie and John into agreeing that he was shot in the back before JFK's head shot even though that disagrees with what we see in the Z film: Connally turns to his right (frame Z230 to Z300 or so) then as he is turning back to look over his left shoulder he is slammed forward in his seat a split second AFTER JFK is shot in the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-lZNR_yAc

For John Connally to have been shot immediately AFTER JFK's head shot, then there would have to be two shots fired from different directions a split second apart.

Let me count the MANY witnesses who said the last two shots were BANG-BANG. MANY of these people heard a bang, then seconds and then BANG-BANG. The GUBERMINT counts them as people who said there were three shots! But not the TSBD three shots, these were BANG then BANG-BANG. In other words, a sizeable population heard BANG BANG then BANG-BANG! That is four, not three shots :-(

A couple of the witnesses who say the last two shots were BANG-BANG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNcYG-m08gNcYG-m08g Patricia Donaldson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8H_DaL_tQk Lee Bowers

If you look up Mary Ann Moreman, Roy Kellerman's Warren Comm testimony and a whole bunch of others, they said the last two shots were BANG-BANG.

What the witnesses say they heard doesn't PROVE anything, it's just information that might lead an investigator to look a bit deeper into other evidence. But that doesn't work in the JFK assassination because the presstitutes buy the gubermint's explanation: Those were echoes, not separate shots.

So who is right?

There is other evidence that shows the last two shots were fired 0.7 seconds apart, BANG-BANG. The first shot was from the grassy knoll, the second shot fired a split second later was fired from the TSBD. Here is what all that means in video ( a video is worth millions of words, especially when it is right).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLxlSBGwMY

this video shows how to PROVE that a conspiracy killed JFK. When you work through that, it quickly shows that the US gubermint lied, forged, altered, and even destroyed evidence to hide the truth.

One of the biggest things that had to be hidden was the shot to Connally's back. IF you look at the Zapruder film, you'll notice that Connally is bent over iF YOU LOOK AT A RECENT COMPUTER STABILIZED Z FILM. If you look at the 1975 era Z films, it's hard to notice that Connally is slammed forward AFTER JFK is shot in the head because the film is so blurred after JFK is shot in the head.

The average JFK "researcher" refuses to believe that it is possible to PROVE we have been lied to by the US gubermint. It has to be a mystery, it must be theories, there can be no definitive answers. Unfortunately for the fools who bought the gubermint's lies, it is going to be a hard landing as they realize the gubermint made fools of us all.

Some people here mentioned possible Z film alteration. Doug Horne of Ass Records Review Board fame has found enough information to show that the Z film was altered on Sunday afternoon. It's a crappy job. If you can't see the quality seriously degrades during the shooting (compared to before and after the shots were fired) then you need new glasses. Listen to Doug Horne show the gubermint altered the Zapruder film and when. The gubermint man (Dino Burgioni) said the quality sucks compared to what he saw on Saturday night when he looked at the original Z film.

https://vimeo.com/102327635

Some of the PhD fools who have bought the gubermint's lies hook, line and sinker have complained I am just trying to sell a book for money. Actually I wrote something to document that it is possible to know with absolute certainty what happened in Dealey Plaza. I mean proof with astronomical odds that a conspiracy killed JFK. After you UNDERSTAND how to prove it to yourself, you too can easily find the fingerprints of the conspirators who told the lies and altered the evidence.

It has been obvious for decades the US gubermint lied to hide the truth but the game is played that you have to let others tell you the answers. If you disagree, they call you a conspiracy theorist or some other idiotic, degrading term and attempt to ignore you. It's ok for Vince Bugliosi to publish a book and make money but anybody who disagrees with the gubermint's lies is just doing it for financial gain.:Depressed:

One thing we all need to learn is that the presstitutes think their job is to explain the gubermint's answers to the public, not to figure out if it is true. The presstitues simply parrot the lies, they don't investigate. This next video shows the level of crap the presstitues show as they try to explain away the public's doubts.

https://vimeo.com/92452333

The gubermint insists Connally could not have been wounded after JFK was shot in the head because you cannot explain all of his wounds then. As you watch the Z film, notice Connally makes RADICAL MOVEMENTS 4.8 seconds BEFORE and 0.7 seconds AFTER the JFK head shot. That is the exact timing of the last three shots per the Dallas acoustical evidence. It means Connally was wounded twice, not once as every other book on the assassination contends. If you are going to believe ANYTHING the gubermint told you, you will get the wrong answers. Everybody else has bought at least some of their lies.

Bill Charleston

I hear you, William, and am in full agreement with everything you say, especially Connally's statement that the shot in the back knocked him over.

As to the last paragraph of your post, how about all three of Connally's wounds (back, forearm and thigh) coming from different sources? I'm not saying they were all separate bullets, as I believe one was from shrapnel, but there are simply too many things out of the ordinary for the wounds to be connected.
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
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#17
Connally always, and to his deathbed, insisted that he was shot once, just after his turn to the right. (By which point JFK was already reacting to being shot.)


I believe the original poster was looking for a diagram of from where the shots were fired, not where the injuries were.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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#18
Connally also said he was unaware he had been shot in the forearm, and did not even let go his grip on his Stetson hat. What does that tell us?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
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#19
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:Connally also said he was unaware he had been shot in the forearm, and did not even let go his grip on his Stetson hat. What does that tell us?


It means that the pain from his rib wound overwhelmed the pain from his wrist wound to the point where he didn't feel it.

http://thedavisreport.files.wordpress.co...lowers.gif

Watching this, I sometimes think that Connally may not have been hit until around frame 292. In filmed interviews, he talked about turning around to his right after hearing the first shot, then being hit after he started to turn back around to his left. Watch carefully when all of that happens.

At one point he is turned almost 180 degrees, looking back at JFK. Could he do all that turning with a smashed rib and punctured lung, which he supposedly received many frames earlier?

I think he is hit just as he begins to turn back toward Zapruder. And where is his back exposed to at that point? The TSBD? The North Knoll? No, the South Knoll/underpass area.

Then, as he is facing toward Zapruder and beginning to collapse into Nellie's lap, he is in position for a second shot from the the TSBD/Dal Tex area to hit him in the wrist and thigh.
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#20
No self-respectin' Texan would let go 'a his hat 'cause of a bitty bullet wound, ya'll.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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